First Nations girl chooses traditional medicine over chemo

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Re: 'Doctor' treating First Nations girls says cancer patients can heal themselves

I haven't done any digging, not that it matters to me anyways. I don't think the courts should be allowed to intervene in cases like this.

The decision was based upon Aboriginal rights- where in past cases like JW- blood transfusions the courts ruled for the protection of the child.
So we now have 2 systems of legal precedence for children. 1 where Aboriginal children are not the primary focus of the decision, but traditional practices are. While any other child, as in JW for example the courts have ruled time and again the child protection is paramount.
 

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Re: 'Doctor' treating First Nations girls says cancer patients can heal themselves

I am aware of chemo and it's side effects. But not everyone pukes their guts out either. It is a crap shoot always as to the reaction.


Turning down a 90 to 95 percent cure rate is a big gamble with a child's life.


Some don't believe in blood transfusions...I worked with a Christian Scientist...her husband died from an infect toe...they don't believe in doctors.

Wow. I had an infected finger which made my hand swell up to about 1/3 more its normal size - when I was 9. I was at camp at the time and had to beg to see the nurse. Pain was unbelievable. She lanced it and gave me a shot of antibiotic. Rx by local doctor.
Cured in 3 days. ...................and some don't believe.........sheesh.
 

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You could have given him several thousand other papers supporting the proven medicinal qualities. I wonder if he knows he has an endocanibinnoid , sp, system. running along upside his central nervous system.
 

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That sucks.

I hope she has some good medicine to ease the pain of her passing.
 

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That sucks.

I hope she has some good medicine to ease the pain of her passing.


I hope someone comes to their senses before it's too late. Whatever is best for the girl is what should be done and takes precedence over all other bullsh*t including other's perceived rights.
 

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I hope someone comes to their senses before it's too late. Whatever is best for the girl is what should be done and takes precedence over all other bullsh*t including other's perceived rights.
Other's perceived rights?

You mean hers right?
 

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Yep.

Her and her family don't want chemo.

Who the hell is anybody to tell them otherwise?




She is only 10.


If this is allowed to stand, then every other nut case that wants to with hold medical treatment from their kids should be allowed to.
 

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She is only 10.

If this is allowed to stand, then every other nut case that wants to with hold medical treatment from their kids should be allowed to.
11 now, and from what I gather, she's not uninformed.

I've been through this with family members and friends. It's amazing how mature these poor kids become, way to soon.
 

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11 now, and from what I gather, she's not uninformed.

I've been through this with family members and friends. It's amazing how mature these poor kids become, way to soon.




Follow that down the slope Bear.




She's mature for her age................
 

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Yep.

Her and her family don't want chemo.

Who the hell is anybody to tell them otherwise?

She isn't old enough to make that decision. Ask yourself this. If it was a family of fundamentalist Christians who thought they could pray her better would you still support it? Or would you say: These wackos should have their kid taken away before she dies because of their naivete.
 

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She isn't old enough to make that decision. Ask yourself this. If it was a family of fundamentalist Christians who thought they could pray her better would you still support it?
It isn't about support, it's about minding my own damn business.

Or would you say: These wackos should have their kid taken away before she dies because of their naivete.
I didn't support the removal of a child from a family of Nazi's. I don't support the removal of children from Muslim homes where hate is taught, not that anyone has ever tried to.

If people are free to abort their unborn baby on a whim, they should be allowed to raise them as they see fit.

Who the hell am I to tell them differently?

Follow that down the slope Bear.
What slope? The one where me stitching up my own kids gets a visit from CAS instead of a simple minded berating from some busy body teacher? Or the one where my harvesting and use of natural antiseptics/remedies is seen as child endangerment, because I didn't take them to a doctor?

That slippery slope?

She's mature for her age................
Yes. She like most kids in that situation, is likely far more aware of what she's been through, than you or I.
 
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There are many types of treatments for cancer. The patient is told about them, the doctor gives his professional advice and the patient is left to make the decision of what type they'll seek, if any. Their choice.

In this case the family has been consulted on the various methods of treating this particular cancer and they, as a family have made their choice.

I do not believe for one second that the mother and father of this child are not taking into account EVERY detail of EVERYTHING they've been told. I do not for a second believe they love their child any less then I love my child. They are seeking treatments.


They've been told about secondary cancers that are caused by Chemotherapy. So she may well survive the cancer she has now if given chemo therapy, but since she is susceptible to cancer maybe she and her parents feel it's not worth having her survive this cancer only to spend many years waiting / expecting a secondary cancer. That's a life sentence of a different sort. And she can die from the secondary cancers. A horribly painful death while her parents sit by feeling intense amounts of guilt for having forced her through the first round of treatment.

Treatments linked to the development of second cancers

Chemotherapy

The cancer most often linked to chemotherapy (chemo) as the cause is acute myelogenous leukemia (AML). In many cases, myelodysplastic syndrome (MDS), a bone marrow problem that is sometimes called a type of cancer, occurs first, then turns into AML. Acute lymphocytic leukemia (ALL) has also been linked to chemo. Chemo is known to be a higher risk factor than radiation therapy in causing leukemia.

Some solid tumor cancers have also been linked to chemo treatment for certain cancers, such as testicular cancer.

Alkylating agents

Certain types of chemo drugs called alkylating agents have been shown to increase the risk of AML when used to treat certain cancers like Hodgkin disease, non-Hodgkin lymphoma (NHL), ovarian, lung, and breast cancer.

Alkylating agents known to cause leukemia include:

Mechlorethamine
Chlorambucil
Cyclophosphamide (Cytoxan®)
Melphalan
Semustine
Lomustine (CCNU)
Carmustine (BCNU)
Prednimustine
Busulfan
Dihydroxybusulfan
The risk gets higher with higher drug doses, longer treatment time, and higher dose-intensity (meaning that more drug is given over a short period of time). Studies have shown that leukemia risk begins to rise about 2 years after treatment with alkylating agents, becomes highest after 5 to 10 years, and then declines. Alkylating agents often cause MDS first, which then progresses into an acute leukemia.

MDS and leukemia that develop after treatment with alkylating agents can be hard to treat and tend to have a poor outcome.
 

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There are many types of treatments for cancer. The patient is told about them, the doctor gives his professional advice and the patient is left to make the decision of what type they'll seek, if any. Their choice.

In this case the family has been consulted on the various methods of treating this particular cancer and they, as a family have made their choice.

I do not believe for one second that the mother and father of this child are not taking into account EVERY detail of EVERYTHING they've been told. I do not for a second believe they love their child any less then I love my child. They are seeking treatments.


They've been told about secondary cancers that are caused by Chemotherapy. So she may well survive the cancer she has now if given chemo therapy, but since she is susceptible to cancer maybe she and her parents feel it's not worth having her survive this cancer only to spend many years waiting / expecting a secondary cancer. That's a life sentence of a different sort. And she can die from the secondary cancers. A horribly painful death while her parents sit by feeling intense amounts of guilt for having forced her through the first round of treatment.
And, if I remember correctly from the initial article I read on the subject, months ago, this child had already gone through a round of chemo and was begging her parents not to make her do it again. I couldn't turn a blind eye to that and force it upon her simply because the doctor's told me too.
 

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There are many types of treatments for cancer. The patient is told about them, the doctor gives his professional advice and the patient is left to make the decision of what type they'll seek, if any. Their choice.

In this case the family has been consulted on the various methods of treating this particular cancer and they, as a family have made their choice.

I do not believe for one second that the mother and father of this child are not taking into account EVERY detail of EVERYTHING they've been told. I do not for a second believe they love their child any less then I love my child. They are seeking treatments.


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Thanks for providing a fuller picture, Twila. An old school friend of mine died about 10 years from just what you describe - a cure for one type cancer only to die 3 or 4 years later from leukemia probably brought on by the Chemo. You've enlightened a lot of people today, Twila.