Canada goes to War

[WLDB]

I'm just trying to smoke the Canadians out. This isn't my war. It's not America's war either because Obama hasn't sought action by Congress to authorize the war. This is Obama's war.

Almost every war since the end of WW2 has belonged to whoever happened to be President at the time. Skipping congress and going to war without them seems to be pretty routine now. They could always refuse to give the President money for these adventures but I dont see that happening anytime soon for Obama or at least one or two of his successors.

So do we stand aside?
And Mulcair is incorrect. He states that this could lead to bombing Syria- Canadians would freak on that one.

ISIS is in Syria as well as Iraq. If they notice no one is attacking them in Syria all they have to do is walk across the border and simply do raids or set up sleeper cells in Iraq.

 

[Goober]

Almost every war since the end of WW2 has belonged to whoever happened to be President at the time. Skipping congress and going to war without them seems to be pretty routine now. They could always refuse to give the President money for these adventures but I dont see that happening anytime soon for Obama or at least one or two of his successors.



ISIS is in Syria as well as Iraq. If they notice no one is attacking them in Syria all they have to do is walk across the border and simply do raids or set up sleeper cells in Iraq.

US is bombing them.
They let the Syrian know Aircraft are coming, and the Syrians play bail.
Many in ISIl - Al Qaeda were prisoners in Syria, Assad let them walk.
The issue is ground troops to hold ground and kill ISIL members. Arab countries have to do this.
The Iraqi army was destroyed by the former PM.
The ground work of rebellion with the Sunni in Anbar and other areas was set by the same PM.
It will take time to bring their training, equipping them up to par.
Then we will see a change.
Then the other issues are the Shia Militias, who do they report to.
The Kurds had the same problem. Their military reported to 2 different major party structures.
From what I understand they are now 1 org falling under the present Govt.

 

[JLM]

ISIS is in Syria as well as Iraq. If they notice no one is attacking them in Syria all they have to do is walk across the border and simply do raids or set up sleeper cells in Iraq.

Because Canada won't attack them in Syria, does that mean other countries are going to follow suit? I'm betting those bastards could set up in Antarctica or Greenland and someone would still be after them.

 

[Goober]

Because Canada won't attack them in Syria, does that mean other countries are going to follow suit? I'm betting those bastards could set up in Antarctica or Greenland and someone would still be after them.

Easy to identify. The freezing brown guy in cotton robes.Shoot him.

 

[mentalfloss]

I can't speak for the efficacy of this mission - hey, maybe it's a good idea, who knows.

But at face value this is a very sad and disturbing day.

 

[JLM]

I can't speak for the efficacy of this mission - hey, maybe it's a good idea, who knows.

But at face value this is a very sad and disturbing day.

How so? When I watching the news the past few days I was kind of relieved to see there are lots of people with guts, sagacity and moxie to deal with these ruthless bastards!

 

[eh1eh]

 

[mentalfloss]

How so? When I watching the news the past few days I was kind of relieved to see there are lots of people with guts, sagacity and moxie to deal with these ruthless bastards!

Aside from the skill of flying a plane, it doesn't take any guts to casually drop bombs on some buildings.

They're probably enjoying Arabic Timmies coffee while they let them go and that's just plain distracted driving.

 

[JLM]

Aside from the skill of flying a plane, it doesn't take any guts to casually drop bombs on some buildings.

They're probably enjoying Arabic Timmies coffee while they let them go and that's just plain distracted driving.

I don't know about you but my knowledge of fighting wars is VERY limited and hence I never try to estimate someone else's job. I am sure however during the course of fighting wars there are times when the unexpected arises. Could you handle such incidents? -

 

[mentalfloss]

I'm sure they can handle it.

That's what they are trained for.

Dropping bombs is like playing a videogame for them.

 

[JLM]

I'm sure they can handle it.

That's what they are trained for.

Dropping bombs is like playing a videogame for them.

So the boys should be back home in a few days!

 

[Cliffy]

 

[Blackleaf]

What's the point of only being there for six months?

The British have said they will be there for years, as that's how long it will take to defeat these terrorists. What good will being there for six months achieve?

 

[EagleSmack]

With what... six aging tornadoes?


The brits are taking a back seat and they are late as usual.

 

[Blackleaf]

With what... six aging tornadoes?


The brits are taking a back seat and they are late as usual.

Eight Tornados now.

 

[CDNBear]

But at face value this is a very sad and disturbing day.

Why is that?

 

[mentalfloss]

Why is that?

Just comes off as a sad but necessary act.

 

[tay]

Funny How We Choose Who We'll Fight and Who We'll Ignore








ISIS is known for atrocity. They're murderous swine, real butchers. But, as CBC's Neil Macdonald reminds us there's a world full of their type, real pros, and we don't give a damn.


Back in July, Barack Obama signed an executive order (link is external) punishing anyone responsible for some of the hideous excesses of the Congolese civil war. Hardly anyone noticed Obama's order. But for the record, the people it targets have reportedly committed: mass rape (of men and women, by rebels and government soldiers) often in front of communities and families, or forcing people to rape each other, as a weapon of war; inventive torture (forcing men to copulate with holes in the ground lined with razor blades, forcing women to eat excrement or flesh of relatives); casual and varied forms of murder (including firing weapons up women's ******s); use of child soldiers; and ethnic cleansing.


The list goes on


The Congo war has killed five million people, directly and indirectly, since 1998 — more than the wars in Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq put together, as one national newspaper here noted recently. Obama's punishment for the culprits? Financial discomfort.

The most charitable view is that national leaders tend to act on the fears and desires and preoccupations of their voters, and while ISIS has terrified Americans by beheading a handful of Westerners, nobody really cares what goes on in the Congo.

It's far away, in the middle of a continent widely perceived as dirty and savage, and the victims are all, well, black Africans.Western politicians also take their cues from news outlets, and while editors don't like to discuss such things, Africa (along with a few other wretched parts of the Earth) barely makes the news menu, if at all.


A struggling baby panda in some zoo will easily knock an African genocide off the nightly newscast.

But even within the Middle East, where brutality and savagery are often considered normal governance, ISIS has assumed a special status as evil incarnate.


Yes, ISIS has carried out beheadings, often for apostasy, which in ISIS's book means not following its deranged interpretation of Islam. But so has the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, whose princes walk hand in hand, sometimes literally, with American presidents, and are welcomed in the society salons of Georgetown.




The Saudis have beheaded 46 people so far this year, including 19 in the first three weeks of August. Like ISIS, the Saudis favour public beheadings, and have sometimes strung the decapitated corpses up to rot in public.Grounds for beheading in Saudi Arabia include sorcery. Seriously, sorcery. And, of course, apostasy. (The Saudian Arabian version of Islam, Wahabbism, isn't all that different from the ferocious ISIS interpretation.)

Which probably brings us to what's really at issue here: oil.


The Saudis have lots of it, and as long as they're willing to be good fellows and keep selling it on the open market, well, their virulent extremism is just the religious quirk of a close and valued ally.


ISIS, meanwhile, made the gross error of beheading some white people, and has taken over oil refineries, and sold the oil, and threatened the order of things, and there are few crimes more serious than that.


So, to war? Again?


Look around, ISIS's acolytes are just apprentices at atrocity - World - CBC News

 

[CDNBear]

Just comes off as a sad but necessary act.

Then I share the sentiment of your original observation.

Funny How We Choose Who We'll Fight and Who We'll Ignore

Good point tay.

 

[mentalfloss]

Excellent article Tay.

Congo needs to behead some journalists to get our attention.