World War II: The Holocaust

[petros]

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[darkbeaver]

Were are, and we all sacrifice to create a Jewtopia even if we don't feel guilty for them creating their own near demise.

But we always have, it's the way, without them we would not triumph, they are the stones the blades are sharpen on. The Art of War explaines some of it. The whorshipers of matter against the whorshipers of spirit. The inescapable human condition, it builds character.

 

[Colpy]

Coply seems to have put 100,000 as being some sort of dividing line. Using that standard the Jewish bankers 2 world wars collected 100,000,000 to an early grave. If the world isn't ready to stop **** like that then the slaughter on women and children in many lands will go on unchecked.

Dick stick was the one who brought this back from the rabbit hole. He can pay the price as there is lots of info available that shoots down every argument he has that justifies the IDF doing what it is claimed the Germans did. Mostly lies but Gaza is well documented as is who is celebrating the slaughter.

My God you are a psycho!!

First of all, you whacko piece of garbage, the Jews were the VICTIMS of World War Two, more than any other people.

Secondly, there were less than 20 million killed in World War One, less than 60 million in World War Two. That adds up to 80 million at the very outside, NOT 100 million.

Thirdly, 10% of the dead in World War Two were Jews, while the world population was only 0.9 %. In other words, Jews died in WWII at a rate 11 times their representation in the world population. Victims, not beneficiaries.


You are completely whacked.

Seek professional help.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Assuming your graph is correct, and not the product of some wack right-wing anti-Muslim website (I note you didn't provide a link, usually a pretty sure clue), what's the problem? How can Muslims be a threat to the West when they spend the vast majority of their time killing each other?

My God you are a psycho!!

First of all, you whacko piece of garbage, the Jews were the VICTIMS of World War Two, more than any other people.

Secondly, there were less than 20 million killed in World War One, less than 60 million in World War Two. That adds up to 80 million at the very outside, NOT 100 million.

Thirdly, 10% of the dead in World War Two were Jews, while the world population was only 0.9 %. In other words, Jews died in WWII at a rate 11 times their representation in the world population. Victims, not beneficiaries.


You are completely whacked.

Seek professional help.

See? Kinda like this. When crazy argues with crazy, best thing to do is just sit back and laugh.

 

[Colpy]

See? Kinda like this. When crazy argues with crazy, best thing to do is just sit back and laugh.

Go fvck yourself Troll....I'm done with you.

I've had it with your obsession with my posts, your playing lawyer, and you broke the camel's back by comparing me to a Jew hating Nazi scumball.

You are the first person I have ignored in 7 1/2 years on this site.

I hope you're proud.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Go fvck yourself Troll....I'm done with you.

I've had it with your obsession with my posts, your playing lawyer, and you broke the camel's back by comparing me to a Jew hating Nazi scumball.

You are the first person I have ignored in 7 1/2 years on this site.

I hope you're proud.

I must say, I don't recollect ever comparing you to a Nazi, but whatever blows your skirt up.

Hint: responding to my posts ain't ignoring me.

 

[MHz]

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Hint: responding to my posts ain't ignoring me.

Even that point would escape Colpy.

Assuming your graph is correct, and not the product of some wack right-wing anti-Muslim website (I note you didn't provide a link, usually a pretty sure clue), what's the problem? How can Muslims be a threat to the West when they spend the vast majority of their time killing each other?

I'm not going out on a limb when I say that Colpy would include all the dead in the Iran/Iraq war even though Saddam was under orders from the Christian West, look what it got him in the end. He would also say Saddam is responsible for the 500,000 children that died during US sanctions. Colpy would also include all the deaths in Iran between 1950 and 1980 even though their secret police was an arm of the CIA. Take away the deaths the US was part of and the 11M comes down to about 11 in total. (US caused deaths in that article are much higher.
At the same time Colpy see the US as being completely benign when the truth is quite a bit different and the rest of the world is catching on.
alrighty comrades
Basic Statistics for United States Imperialism


Contents:

1—list of interventions for “regime change”
2—list of air warfare campaigns
3—list of client states
4—list of states held by debt-leverage imperialism
5—list of foreign base hosts
6—list of murder toll
7—list of unsavory rightists supported
8—list of perverted international bodies
9—list of interventions for opposing liberation
10—list of interventions pre-1941
11—list of covert operations
12—list of front organizations
13—list of low intensity conflicts
14—list of proxy wars
15—list of foreign policy doctrines
16—list of propaganda campaigns


16. Noteworthy propaganda campaigns, hoaxes, and other lies qua casus belli utilized by the United States:
It is well known that German Fascists transformed their buffoonish leader, Hitler, from a national joke into der Fuhrer die Reich by means of a) securing moneys from large industrialists and financiers (they liked his extremely rightwing ideas on race, labor, religion, nationalism, capitalism, imperialism, etc) and b) by using multiple propaganda hoaxes in order to sway domestic opinion.

The Reichstag fire in 1933 allowed for Hitler to be proclaimed leader of the state as well as for the Night of the Long Knives the following year (violence against leftists) and all of the anti-jewish bull**** that came soon after. As we all know, the Reichstag was burned by fascist thugs and blamed on communists; they even got a disabled Dutch guy to “admit” to both arson and communism—smoking gun! woohoo!

In 1938, the Nazis claimed that they needed to perform a “humanitarian intervention” in the Sudetenland (in the modern Czech Republic) in order to stop “ethnic violence.” Of course, it was Nazi thugs carrying out the “ethnic violence” in the first place, but never mind that small detail.

In 1939, the fascists contrived Operation Canned Goods—a faked attack on a German border patrol, which was allegedly a surprise massacre, carried out by Polish military personnel. Evil Slavic Untermenschen Evildoer Terrorists! Too bad, however, that we now know those corpses in German uniform shown on Nazi TV to be dead Poles, kidnapped and murdered; the German public, though, went insane with jingoism, calling for invasions and genocide.

As we shall see, this is a technique learned by the Nazis from the masters of such things in the US (Hitler credited the development of the “Final Solution” to his study of US treatment of Native Americans), and something that was then perfected by the US after it recovered and reconciled with its mad dog Nazi assets during the Cold War.

The overall pattern is using irrelevant, misinterpreted, or completely fabricated events in order to convince all of the clarences (who had nothing to gain from militarism, but who were susceptible to jingoism, racism, ethnocentrism) that…war is a great ****ing idea! NB that many of these propaganda hoaxes seem to be more effective now than they were when first produced. Also NB, these are the times that the state was forced, for whatever reasons, to consult with the public—either Congress or the people. Most US crimes are committed without recourse to either, or with only a general, vague acknowledgement: “Oh, that CIA is just protecting Freedom from Evil! We can’t tell you what they’re doing specifically, because that would compromise them to the Forces of Darkness!”

1775 – Britain: so it begins, and the story runs that Evildoer British imperialists took away Our Liberty, &c.; produced Evil Boston Massacres, Stamp Acts, Massachusetts Uprisings; and tried to import tea. While the British were certainly imperialistic, and tea is the mark of the ruling class in colonial times, we should take heed that the first offensive of the American War for Independence was a colonial invasion of Quebec. Huh? You mean, before they even signed the Declaration, the proto-United States was invading other countries? You bet. What’s at stake here is the Proclamation Line and the Quebec Act, both of which prevented the fledgling colonies from expanding. And be sure to recall that during the next US war, a conquest of Canada would again be attempted.

1812 – Britain: ah…tales of “naval impressments.” Too bad that this narrative, of war caused by US sailors being conscripted, like slaves, into the British privateering fleet, is a lie; too bad that the landowners all across the infant US wanted the British, French, Spanish, and natives off the continent so they could expand their holdings, import more slaves, and thereby make more money; too bad that plans for such expansion existed way before the declaration of hostilities. The keys here are Florida, the Caribbean, and the western frontier.

1846 – Mexico: the US is forced to retaliate against the Mexicans, since Mexican troops ruthlessly attacked US regiments, who just happened to be occupying slave-owning Texas. Why would the Evildoers in Mexico do that? Not, I hope, because Texas was part of Mexico? Not, I fear, because Mexicans were anti-slavery (abolished since 1829)? Not, I believe, because the US had aggressively assaulted Mexico multiple times already, including the original secessionist agitation in Texas? No, none of that matters; they’re just Evil.

1898 – Spain: the “Remember the Maine!” incident as well as Hearst newspapers proclaiming that Cuba needed a “humanitarian intervention”—both obvious lies—help sway people in the US to genocidal furor. Enter Empire, the subjugation of the people of Guam, Puerto Rico, and Cuba, and the Philippine genocide.

1917 – Central Powers: the Lusitania incident and the Zimmerman Telegram fire up US war fervor; too bad the Wilson administration provoked the Germans by aiding the British under a flag of “neutrality,” generated tons of anti-German racialist BS, and managed to invade every country in the Caribbean, including Mexico several times. Also, we needn’t forget that the Wilsonian declaration of War was timed perfectly with Lenin’s “April Theses.” All in the name of “protecting democracy,” from Evildoers, no doubt! An honest student of history will note that it’s more like “protecting certain segments of Kapital from others, whilst destroying genuine democratic resistance.”

1918 – USSR: “Communists eat babies!” “Bolsheviks seek to conquer world!’ “International Jewry grabs power in Russia!” “Reds to start war in India next!” “Socialism and incest: partners in Sin!” So ran the newspapers, every day, in every city, after Czarist absolutism was broken by popular resistance, no thanks to the US. Wilson’s administration used such imbecilic pretenses in a failed attempt to “strangle bolshevism in its cradle,” as one imperialist from a different genocidal nation put it. Of course, the real motives behind western intervention weren’t mentioned: Capital Capital Capital Capital.

1941 – Axis Powers: the Pearl Harbor attack was known in advance, no matter how “sudden” or how much “infamy” Roosevelt would later claim for it. NB FDR’s well-planned provocation strategy to ensure that Japan would attack the US, thus allowing the US to dictate terms to the rest of the world, which would be destroyed by war’s end. NB that the overrated Operation Overlord was delayed just long enough for the Soviet Union to be shattered by Kapital’s mad dog Hitler, but just timely enough to prevent the Soviets from taking out all of the fascists in Europe, from the Volga to Gibraltar.

1945 – Japan: event—nukes; propaganda lie—“saving Japanese and American lives”; bitter truth—self-serving genocide and terrorism to intimidate Stalin. Only *******s can believe the US story here.

1950 – DPRK: despite claims that “the Totalitarian North ruthlessly invaded the Free South,” it looks as though a communist North reacted to a long series of provocations carried out by a fascistic South, which included border skirmishes, coordinated raids, and artillery battery. But who cares? America to the rescue! Of fascism!

1952 – East Germany: despite Soviet attempts to get out of Berlin, requiring only assurances from the US that Germany would be a) democratic, b) demilitarized, c) united, and d) neutral, the US insisted on the precarious, ignorant status quo, obviously preferring it to the just Soviet proposal. Up, then, went the Berlin Wall in 1961, which was called an act of tyranny by moronic US commentators, but was intended by the Soviet Union to keep fascists, CIA operatives, saboteurs, assassins, and other agents of Kapital away. This event is largely responsible for much escalation of the Cold War during 50s, which would predictably and wrongly be blamed on the USSR.

1953 – Iran: Commies are gonna get us! Or so it was said by flag-waving retards. The unfortunate truth: a democratic regime thought it was allowed to use its own resources for its own benefit. The US disagreed with Mossadegh.

1954 – Guatemala: Commies are gonna get us! Or so it was said by flag-waving retards. The unfortunate truth: a democratic regime thought it was allowed to use its own resources for its own benefit. The US disagreed with Arbenz.

1964 – Vietnam: the USS Maddox got hit by some lightning, but LBJ thought it’d be a good idea to bow before the banking cartels, the Seven Sisters, the Pentagon, and crusty McCarthyoids, thereby inventing the notion that the (repeat the old script) Red North ruthlessly invaded the Free South—or, at least they ruthlessly attacked an innocent US naval vessel in international waters. Turns out that there was no attack, that the ship was in Hanoi’s waters, and was not-at-all-innocently deploying special forces and other anti-communist swine into the North for the normal roster of Kapitalist Karnage.

1973 – Chile: Commies are gonna get us! Or so it was said by flag-waving retards. The unfortunate truth: a democratic regime thought it was allowed to use its own resources for its own benefit. The US disagreed with Allende.

1981 – Nicaragua: Commies are gonna get us! Or so it was said by flag-waving retards. The unfortunate truth: a democratic regime thought it was allowed to use its own resources for its own benefit. The US disagreed with Ortega.

1983 – Grenada: Commies are gonna get us! Or so it was said by flag-waving retards. The unfortunate truth: a democratic regime thought it was allowed to use its own resources for its own benefit. The US disagreed with Bishop.

1986 – Libya: Evil Terrorist Nation! Quit doing Terrorist things! We will bomb you! Turns out that the Libyans weren’t responsible, after all, for the acts of “terror” of which they’d been accused. Hmm…a high publicity bombing mission right in the middle of the Iran-Contra Affair? What a coincidence! And at a time when Gorbachev was making peaceful overtures and the US was in danger of having no enemies? Amazingly coincidental!

1989 – Panama: They said that Noriega was an Evildoer Drugdealer! You must go Evil Doper! USA All The Way! Humanitarian Intervention! We should mention that Noriega was attempting to institute some democratic reforms and social services, had been a CIA asset, and largely oversaw US drug smuggling—and could document his and US involvement in the Iran-Contra Affair. But why trouble anyone with the facts? Especially the fact that the true meaning of the words “Operation Just Cause” is that US Delta Force teams secretly attacked US Army units so that the US could claim “Panamanian terrorists are shooting us!”

1991 – Kuwait: the famous “dead babies” hoax, which was revealed to be a lie. Other tidbits: Kuwait had provoked Iraq in numerous ways; Iraq got approval from its imperial master, the US, before invading; Bush had personal investments in the region; and US strategy had long called for a way to control the Gulf States directly. With the USSR gone and the Kuwait-Iraq border dispute, the US now had both pretext and opportunity.

1992 – Bosnia: never mind all of the dead Serbs. Instead, check out this photo! The Evil Serb Evildoers have Evilly put some guy in a concentration camp at Trnopolje! Look at the barbed wire! Look at how starved he is! Oh…wait a minute…looks like that the barbed wire is around someone’s shed, that the photographer is in the shed, that the starving guy is a refugee on the outside of the barbed fence, that the headline “Belsen 92” is a lie, that there were no concentration camps, and that the entire series of US operations in the early 1990s were resurrected Nazi policies on Yugoslavia, which still maintained some socialistic economic policies. Well, I’ll be damned: another “humanitarian intervention” for Kapitalism.

1993 – Somalia: Yet another “Humanitarian intervention!” Thing is, the famine was nearly over, the US wasn’t anywhere near where it had been, the Somalis already hated the US for thrusting Barre on them, and the US was only there now for 1) oil prospecting, 2) uranium mining, 3) military basing, 4) public relations, and 5) a “paid advertisement” for the Pentagon, in Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Colin Powell’s cynical phrase..

1998 – Sudan: Evil terrorists are making VX nerve gas in that big factory! Tomahawk it! Turns out, though, that the plant manufactured antibiotics for half the country. Given that the Sudan was in the midst of a disease crisis, the destruction of their medical infrastructure only served to exacerbate the problem. How many died as a result? Who knows—the US, as is typical, doesn’t care to investigate, apologize, or acknowledge.

1999 – Kosovo: “Humanitarian intervention!” Now for something completely different. Racak, Srebrenica, Izbica, Trepca—all more complicated than they seem, as according to numerous international organizations, the FBI, and so on. Ethnic cleansing? Only if we are talking about the cleansing of Serbs by NATO. And the banner hoax here: the “Serbian MIG,” allegedly attacking civilians, is revealed as a fraud in state-press photos, which obviously display English writing on the alleged fuselage.

2001 – Afghanistan: Evil Terrorists got us! We will get them back! Of course, the true story is much more complicated, involving US complicity, deception, and strategic planning at all levels, as noted in the recent historical record (cf. “the complete 9/11 timeline”).

2002 – Iraq?: Evil! Smite Evil! Get oil! Did I say oil? I meant that Evildoer tried to kill my daddy! One excellent hoax, besides the manufactured general “threat” rhetoric, is the alleged 15 kg of “weapons-grade uranium” recovered in Turkey in mid 2002, allegedly bound for Iraq from “Eastern Europe.” Too bad that this “weapons-grade uranium” has “Made in West Germany” written on it—in English.

Greece (1947-49): 100K
Korea (1951-53): 2M
Guatemala (1954-2002): 300K
Vietnam (1960-75): 2M
Laos (1965-73): 500K
Cambodia (1969-75): 1M
Indonesia (1965): 500K
Colombia (1966-2002): 500K
Oman (1970): 10K
Bangladesh (1971): 2M
Uganda (1971-1979): 200K
Chile (1973-1990): 20K
East Timor (1975): 200K
Angola (1975-2002): 1.5M
Argentina (1976-1979): 30K
Afghanistan (1978-2002): 1M
El Salvador (1980-95): 100K
Nicaragua (1980-90): 100K
Mozambique (1981-1988): 1M
Turkey (1984-2002): 50K
Rwanda (1990-1996): 1M
Iraq (1991-2002): 1M
Somalia (1991-1994): 300K
Yugoslavia (1991-2002): 300K
Liberia (1992-2002): 150K
Burundi (1993-1999): 200K
Sudan (1998): 100K
Congo (1998-2002): 3M

It's about 20M civilians killed by the US

 

[DaSleeper]

Gawd.....you are a nutbar!

 

[MHz]

My God you are a psycho!!.

Fine, I'll accept that as long as it includes having an aversion to using a military machine to punish unarmed men, women and children. I'm also going to include any Egyptian soldiers murdered after laying down their arms for no other reason than Israel couldn't spare anybody to guard them.

First of all, you whacko piece of garbage, the Jews were the VICTIMS of World War Two, more than any other people..

Liar, The US, Canada and the UK all closed their borders to any Jews except the rich ones. The UK 'won' Israel at the end of WWI which is after the Balfour Declaration was signed, sealed, and delivered yet the UK held the Jews back from being able to escape Europe. Got an explanation for that fact you little toad?
World War I casualties - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
15M - 18M
World War II casualties - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
60M - 85M
Jewish deaths in the link below are more realistic that the 5.8M, that link is there so I can reference it when Colpy throws out figures with no backing.

Secondly, there were less than 20 million killed in World War One, less than 60 million in World War Two. That adds up to 80 million at the very outside, NOT 100 million..

80M, hardly worth noting right. Only in a Coply mind could 80M be less that how many Jews were supposedly killed. You would thing that being bankers they would be good with numbers but the track record would show that to be the opposite.
The link says WWI 15 -65M, WWII 40-85M just to create an Israel for the Rothschild bankers, none of whom would ever actually move there even though they claim to be Jewish.

Thirdly, 10% of the dead in World War Two were Jews, while the world population was only 0.9 %. In other words, Jews died in WWII at a rate 11 times their representation in the world population. Victims, not beneficiaries. .

So 10% got them Israel and almost 70 years of being a welfare state that probably cost $100's of billions, how much did the 90% get for their losses. Fuk all would be the correct answer would it not. When you number their ratio to the world population why do they get to claim more that that same ratio. If you are .02 then you get .02% of the cash and jobs and many other things. A moral people would know that.

You are completely whacked..

I'm going to assume you are using yourself as the 'bar' even though you already admitted it takes next to nothing to throw you into a rage.

Seek professional help.

That .03% works out to 330,000, some 230,000 higher than you last stated number. (and you wonder why I call you a liar so often)

 

[Colpy]

Holocaust survivor salutes US soldier who liberated him from concentration camp - Imgur

Not gory.

But will bring a tear.

 

[darkbeaver]

In my community, the one I live in, we are getting a prison instead of Holocaust muzeum.