What should Obama do, to prevent ISIS from attacking the USA??

[EagleSmack]

Are they flying them? No... so end of story.

ISIS are in Iraq but have they taken over... No. They will not be able to. A few pinprick air strikes and they already backed off the Kurds.

 

[BaalsTears]

If the aircraft captured by ISIS are flown they will probably be used in suicide missions against unanticipated targets.

 

[B00Mer]

Are they flying them? No... so end of story.

ISIS are in Iraq but have they taken over... No. They will not be able to. A few pinprick air strikes and they already backed off the Kurds.

ISIS home base is Syria...

That is were they started, that is still their base.

Syria ready to cooperate with U.N. to fight terror
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[Tecumsehsbones]

Quit reading between the line T-Bones.. I said it Migs were not effective against US air power, then you go into a spiel about American Airpower.. a little flag waiving??




1. if you're going to pretend to be a US citizen, at least spell like one. fantasizing

2. I don't think the USA should go in their alone.. they are not in our back yard.. yet. If they do go in, there should be as Bush called in, "the coalition of the willing."

3. How well trained were the pilots of 9/11.. just say'in

4. I said the capture of the fighter jets gives them an edge against other countries in the region, that's it, that's all.. It enables them to capture more territory, and more arms.

5. I'm waiting for the ISIS video game.. taking over regions, decapitating your enemy.

OK, I was looking for a debate here. Next time I want to waste time exchanging ragging with you, I'll let you know.

 

[gopher]

ISIS is a threat? Blame traitor Bush:


ISIS? George W. Bush built that



If you're looking for a handy guide to the blame game over the rise of the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, Vox has a helpful primer to "how the US, its allies, and its enemies all made ISIS possible." Zach Beauchamp's list of the guilty--the United States, Iraqi Prime Minister Maliki and his sectarian Shiite allies, Iraq's Sunni, Iran, Bashar al-Assad and the Gulf States--is a long one. But in an article in which the name George W. Bush doesn't appear at all, Vox significantly downplays the essential role the 43rd President played in bring Al Qaeda to Iraq. And we know this because President Bush himself told us so.

Vox's Beauchamp began his summary of American paternity for ISIS this way:

The most obvious way in which the US bears responsibility for ISIS's rise is the 2003 invasion of Iraq. The United States invaded Iraq, accidentally sparked a sectarian civil war, and generally created the conditions for what was then al-Qaeda in Iraq to flourish. Without the American invasion, al-Qaeda in Iraq never would have been so strong, and ISIS never would have grown out of it.
President Bush couldn't agree more. After all, in his December 2008 interview with Martha Raddatz of ABC News he acknowledged (around the 2:00 minute mark above) that it was the American presence that drew Al Qaeda fighters to Iraq, and not the reverse:


BUSH: One of the major theaters against al Qaeda turns out to have been Iraq. This is where al Qaeda said they were going to take their stand. This is where al Qaeda was hoping to take -


RADDATZ: But not until after the U.S. invaded.

BUSH: Yeah, that's right. So what? The point is that al Qaeda said they're going to take a stand. Well, first of all in the post-9/11 environment Saddam Hussein posed a threat. And then upon removal, al Qaeda decides to take a stand.

And the defeat of Al Qaeda in the western provinces of Iraq would not have been possible with the Sunni Awakening in which the United States purchases the allegiance of tribal sheiks and armed 90,000 of their fighters. But those "Sons of Iraq" of Iraq would only stay bought if Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki and his Shiite majority integrated them into the nation's security forces. But accommodating the Sunni groups was precisely was Maliki--George W. Bush's man in Baghdad--refused to do. As Dexter Filkins explained earlier this year:
In the two and a half years since the Americans' departure, Maliki has centralized power within his own circle, cut the Sunnis out of political power, and unleashed a wave of arrests and repression. Maliki's march to authoritarian rule has fueled the reemergence of the Sunni insurgency directly. With nowhere else to go, Iraq's Sunnis are turning, once again, to the extremists to protect them.
In 2006, the committed Shiite sectarian Nouri al-Maliki was President Bush's hand-picked choice for the premiership. But by the summer of 2007, Robert Draper reported, Bush, John McCain and Lindsey Graham were all worrying that Maliki would undo the gains of the surge made possible by General David Petraeus' Sunni Awakening:
It suddenly seemed that the efforts of the surge might be for naught. And so, shortly after returning from Iraq, McCain and Graham visited President Bush at the White House. According to three individuals with knowledge of the July 11 conversation, the pair advised Bush to cut all ties with al-Maliki unless he showed immediate signs of engagement. Such a move on Bush's part would be tantamount to encouraging a coup against Iraq's first democratically elected prime minister, but McCain and Graham saw the situation as a desperate one. We've got a military strategy that's working, they told the president. And it's being undercut by an Iraqi government that's dysfunctional.
Bush was sympathetic. He'd been giving al-Maliki pep talks for more than six months now, with little to show for the effort. But, he told the two senators, "Who's going to replace him?"

We don't have a good answer for that, they replied. But unless al-Maliki changes, we can't get there.

As it turned out, Maliki didn't change. The idea of a pluralistic Iraqi government, dependent as it was on the Shiite majority's inclusion of the Sunni minority previously represented by Saddam Hussein, soon began to fade. As I worried in November 2007 ("Bush's M.C. Escher Strategy for Iraq"), Shiite wariness and Sunni distrust threatened to undermine any hope for a peaceful, nonsectarian future:
More and more, President Bush's strategy in Iraq resembles an M.C. Escher illustration. Like the hands drawing each other or the elegant depiction of stairways that cannot possibly meet, the military progress of the U.S. surge is producing an image of a future Iraq that, while glorious to behold, can never be built. The very American alliances with Sunni tribal leaders that are reducing sectarian violence and the threat from Al Qaeda also threaten to undermine the Shiite majority government in Baghdad. And the "enduring" U.S. presence announced by President Bush this week may serve only to protect the Maliki government from its domestic enemies, not its friend and American foe Iran. If anything, the surge may be making the prospect of Iraqi national reconciliation even more remote.
Seven years later, Maliki is gone and many of the fighters once led Abu Musab al-Zarqawi in Iraq have reorganized--and metastasized--into the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria under the self-proclaimed emir Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. As Vox rightly explains, there's plenty of blame to go around when it comes to the rise of ISIS. But as the Obama administration continues to mount air strikes and build alliances to destroy the Islamic State, there should be little doubt that his predecessor played a vital role in inadvertently creating it in the first place. Or to put it in a way that Republicans will understand: ISIS? George W. Bush helped build it.

 

[MHz]

ISIS home base is Syria...

That is were they started, that is still their base.

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I think not, Syria is their latest destination. In typical Mossadeneze when the offer is to help it means help destroy as that was the result after this announcement in public. If that is not the case the 50,000 of Israeli trained Mercs are pretty powerless considering how Libya turned out.

Israel Send 50,000 African Mercenaries to Libya to Fight for Gaddafi ! « Socio-Economics History Blog

The 'cannon fodder' was sent into Mali with the promise of their own nation with intact gold mines. They got no gold, that belongs to China, what they got was the French airforce. Not so oddly, the 'spy' that had been captured two years earlier was killed in the rescue attempt along with every one that had ever questioned him. In the case of ISIS only the spy was killed as the operation was to enter a new phase. All the paper tiger stuff from the US should be the same as all the NATO reports about the humanitarian aid that Russia sent into the Ukraine, the first of what will become many over the next bit of time. NATO has them being shelled and full of military parts. That is when the 'rebels' in Syria will suffer via Assad with Russian intel. Their mission is to route the foreigners out of the country. Once ISIS helps Syria by killing all the 'rebels' (potential witnesses for Syria at a large war crimes trial) then their 'reward will be them being 'given' Iraq and a peace deal is (barf) and the whole are enters a shanghai period in the public while the citizens of the are magically turn to vapor.

They have to have a better plan that that, really.

 

[EagleSmack]

ISIS is a threat? Blame traitor Bush:

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Are they flying them? No... so end of story.

ISIS are in Iraq but have they taken over... No. They will not be able to. A few pinprick air strikes and they already backed off the Kurds.

This is a terrific opportunity for Assad. He needs to fight ISIS anyway. He plays this right, and we'll support him. Might even send Rumsfeld with some chemical weapons for him, just like we did for Saddam. He could go around slaughtering his own people, and we'll totally let it pass, as long as he attacks ISIS every once in a while.

 

[EagleSmack]

ISIS home base is Syria...

That is were they started, that is still their base.


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Well you're correct although I fail to see the relevance with regards to the new elite ISIS Air Force they supposedly have.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Well you're correct although I fail to see the relevance with regards to the new elite ISIS Air Force they supposedly have.

There is a danger. They could use SUVs to drag one of the MiGs to the shore, then fire an air-to-air missile at a U.S. destroyer in the East Med.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

I want to compliment you on your great number of broken record gifs. You must have been a photo bug in the late 70s when everybody was breaking their disco records.

 

[MHz]

Didn't you see the vid on what can happen to a person when their favorite fantasy is broken?

 

[petros]

Bomb the monsters in the closet!

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Kill the wabbit!

 

[EagleSmack]

There is a danger. They could use SUVs to drag one of the MiGs to the shore, then fire an air-to-air missile at a U.S. destroyer in the East Med.

It reminds me of Eddie Albert in the movie "Head Office".

Two African tribes that became rich after discovering oil were buying jet fighters as they were going to war with each other. But instead of flying them they rolled them down hills and smashed them into each other. Eddie Albert was the CEO and the board asked if they should keep selling them as it was a waste of firepower...

"Make the deal"

And I found the clip!

Head Office Disconnect - YouTube

 

[damngrumpy]

The first thing is the more you allow these international thugs the right to commit
chaos we embolden them. Air strikes are fine but much more needs to be done
Fighting them in their own back yard is preferable. If they attack America then its
time to give it to them an all out offensive like has not been seen in decades

 

[MHz]

I thought I was the one that was supposed to be on pills. The 'goods' are for their new army in Iraq. The SU-25's are spare parts for the ones that the Syrian Air-force have sold to Iraq just after the pounced in ISIS in retaliation for Israel hitting Syria near Damascus. With (only) 50,000 fighters each one is worth a lot to keep alive or the whole house crumbles. Syria will get 2018 equipment like the drone that captured Israel's latest. Armed it is equal to a 105MM he round and the vid is 1080x128 as far as the cameras go. On the shelves before Christmas.

In the ISIS VS IAM battle (just so God's version is on record so it isn't confused with some amateur bull****.

Joe:2:1-11:
Blow ye the trumpet in Zion,
and sound an alarm in my holy mountain:
let all the inhabitants of the land tremble:
for the day of the LORD cometh,
for it is nigh at hand;
A day of darkness and of gloominess,
a day of clouds and of thick darkness,
as the morning spread upon the mountains:
a great people and a strong;
there hath not been ever the like,
neither shall be any more after it,
even to the years of many generations.
A fire devoureth before them;
and behind them a flame burneth:
the land is as the garden of Eden before them,
and behind them a desolate wilderness;
yea,
and nothing shall escape them.
The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses;
and as horsemen,
so shall they run.
Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap,
like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble,
as a strong people set in battle array.
Before their face the people shall be much pained:
all faces shall gather blackness.
They shall run like mighty men;
they shall climb the wall like men of war;
and they shall march every one on his ways,
and they shall not break their ranks:
Neither shall one thrust another;
they shall walk every one in his path:
and when they fall upon the sword,
they shall not be wounded.
They shall run to and fro in the city;
they shall run upon the wall,
they shall climb up upon the houses;
they shall enter in at the windows like a thief.
The earth shall quake before them;
the heavens shall tremble:
the sun and the moon shall be dark,
and the stars shall withdraw their shining:
And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army:
for his camp is very great:
for he is strong that executeth his word:
for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible;
and who can abide it?

Coply might call a 3 yr old in a Halloween costume 'bad'. Bad in Alberta looks more like this

 

[JLM]

The first thing is the more you allow these international thugs the right to commit
chaos we embolden them. Air strikes are fine but much more needs to be done
Fighting them in their own back yard is preferable. If they attack America then its
time to give it to them an all out offensive like has not been seen in decades

Bang on as usual Grumpy!

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Yep, let's kill a few tens of thousands of American kids and hundreds of thousands of ME kids. That'll show 'em!

 

[B00Mer]

Yep, let's kill a few tens of thousands of American kids and hundreds of thousands of ME kids. That'll show 'em!

War puts people to work, stopped communism, slavery, racism, Nazism, terrorism... ah what else? Gave us (Americans) the super power status.

Government spending in the military-industrio-complex boosts the national economy and creates jobs.

Creates a technology boom. Demand for newer technology stems from combat necessity and many everyday household items started with military backgrounds (the internet, jet engines, microwaves, laptop computers, GPS navigation, cell phones, etc...

But I think the USA should have a draft, hopefully it will weed out the Liberal population in the US. :lol:

...and now that Canada does not recognize "conscientious objector" as a reason to stay in Canada, draft dodgers, whatever, Adios Amigos!!