It's a legitimate question from an objective standpoint. If there is no legitimate answer to the question then appropriate conclusions can be drawn.
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It's a legitimate question from an objective standpoint. If there is no legitimate answer to the question then appropriate conclusions can be drawn.
That was a legitimate answer.
It's like asking mercenaries to be be peacekeepers.
Scratch that. It is asking mercenaries to peacekeepers.
Then by that logic Israel can stop the war anytime they want to be stopping the illegal settlements, recognizing Palestine and letting them govern themselves.
Netanyahu is a war monger , he's against peace completely. He keeps getting re-elected when there is war, it's in his own interest to continue it not to stop it.
I can appreciate your desire to see the gunfire stop but you need to look at who is doing the shooting and who is doing the dieing.
You can't supply one side with $10B in miliraty hardware and deny the other side access to anything but rubble found on the ground. Rubble made from some of that $10B given in hardware that has just one purpose. Have Israel disarm itself or let Gaza install a few fully loaded air-craft carriers offshore and then leave the area to it's own devices.
Only one side is not putting warheads on their munitions. Gaza is never going to give up getting a right of return for all the ones connected to the 650,000 that were originally expelled from their home and country by the Jews in 1947/48. That option is never coming off the table so the Jews will never sign for peace. Any deals they would make would be as solid as any treaties signed with the American Indians. Look what happened to them after they peace deals were signed.
When you become part of the leadership in Gaza you and your family are targeted for extermination by the IDF, as in his whole home is bombed rather than just the den when he did his work. How many in Canada would still be in any part of the Government is assassination was part of the 'daily risks'?
I think Canad pretty much destroyed them in 1947 when we gave ourselves the right to give away their land to foreigners, we just didn't have the balls to do it ourselves or, as you and Taxslave suggest, kill them all and be done with it.
The irony in that would be the world shunning North America to the extinct we pretty much starved to death that first winter and the wars the next summer took most of the rest. I could live with that being a just reward for thinking the lives of others are not just as valuable as our own.
I'm just trying to make sure I understand your position before thinking it is along the lines already mentioned. You sound somewhat sane unlike Taxslave.
No, the logic is not the same.
One is a shooting issue where the actions of one can cause death of the other.
The other issue is a negotiations/legal/settlement issue where the actions of one does not result in the death of the other.
Surprised you don't see the difference.
You statement on Netanyahu is just an opinion, you did not present any facts to support your opinion.
You think the issues that go on in the West Bank are irrelevant to the Gazans?
Yes the logic is the same, that either side has the power to stop the bloodshed if they chose so. You can't put the sole blame on Hamas, it's disingenuous at best.
I don't really know to be honest.
My understanding is that the West Bank is under control of the Palestinian Authority, who are not currently attacking or being attacked. My understanding is that this area is being actively resettled by Israel. Gaza is under control of Hamas who are both attacking and being attacked, but there are no settlements in Gaza.
Why do people resist the imposition of another's will upon them? Poisoning the well is preferable to acquiescence.
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No, your wrong.
Hamas has never stated they would stop the rockets if illegal settlements were stopped.
Hamas is not in interested in any kind of peace or cease fire.
They are doing what they have always done or tried to do, kill Jews!!
By the way has Hamas using human shields claim even been confirmed? We already know IDF used human shields, they admitted it
The IDF admitted it had used Palestinians as 'human shields', in limited capacities, a practice subsequently banned by Israel's High Court of Justice.[21] The Israeli Defense Ministry appealed this decision.[22] Specifically, while acknowledging and defending the "use of Palestinians to deliver warnings to wanted men about impending arrest operations", the IDF denied reports of "using Palestinians as human shields against attacks on IDF forces", claiming it had already forbidden this practice.[21]
Amnesty International[23] and Human Rights Watch[24] said the Israel Defense Forces used Palestinian civilians as human shields during the 2002 Battle of Jenin. The Israeli human rights group B'Tselem said that "for a long period of time following the outbreak of the second intifada, particularly during Operation Defensive Shield, in April 2002, the IDF systematically used Palestinian civilians as human shields, forcing them to carry out military actions which threatened their lives".[25][26] Al Mezan reported the systematic use of "human shields" during the invasion of Beit Hanoun in 2004.[27]
Meanwhile the only thing on Hamas is what Israel government has claimed, which isn't worth a damn obviously.
The Israeli Government claims that, during the Second Intifada (2000–2005) Palestinian gunmen used civilians and children as human shield, by surrounding themselves with children while shooting on IDF forces.[14]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_shield#Israeli-Palestinian_conflict
However, contrary to repeated allegations by Israeli officials of the use of “human shields”, Amnesty International found no evidence that Hamas or other Palestinian fighters directed the movement of civilians to shield military objectives from attacks. It found no evidence that Hamas or other armed groups forced residents to stay in or around buildings used by fighters, nor that fighters prevented residents from leaving buildings or areas which had been commandeered by militants
http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/a...a74-4853-860f-0563725e633a/mde150152009en.pdf
There have been civilians using themselves as human shields voluntarily
In November 2006, Palestinian women volunteered as human shields to allow the escape of Hamas gunmen from Israeli forces in Beit Hanoun in the Gaza Strip.
The human rights group Rabbis for Human Rights agreed to act as human shields during the annual olive harvest to protect Palestinian villages from settlers.[15]
Whether you still want to believe Israel (which is hilariously moronic) you can't deny they've been responsible for more civilian deaths.
Hamas has offered to halt its rocket attacks if Israel stops its air raids on the Gaza Strip, the BBC understands.
BBC News - Hamas 'ready for Gaza ceasefire' if Israeli raids stop
The IDF admitted it had used Palestinians as 'human shields', in limited capacities, a practice subsequently banned by Israel's High Court of Justice.[21] The Israeli Defense Ministry appealed this decision.[22] Specifically, while acknowledging and defending the "use of Palestinians to deliver warnings to wanted men about impending arrest operations", the IDF denied reports of "using Palestinians as human shields against attacks on IDF forces", claiming it had already forbidden this practice.[21]
Amnesty International[23] and Human Rights Watch[24] said the Israel Defense Forces used Palestinian civilians as human shields during the 2002 Battle of Jenin. The Israeli human rights group B'Tselem said that "for a long period of time following the outbreak of the second intifada, particularly during Operation Defensive Shield, in April 2002, the IDF systematically used Palestinian civilians as human shields, forcing them to carry out military actions which threatened their lives".[25][26] Al Mezan reported the systematic use of "human shields" during the invasion of Beit Hanoun in 2004.[27]
Meanwhile the only thing on Hamas is what Israel government has claimed, which isn't worth a damn obviously.
The Israeli Government claims that, during the Second Intifada (2000–2005) Palestinian gunmen used civilians and children as human shield, by surrounding themselves with children while shooting on IDF forces.[14]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_shield#Israeli-Palestinian_conflict
However, contrary to repeated allegations by Israeli officials of the use of “human shields”, Amnesty International found no evidence that Hamas or other Palestinian fighters directed the movement of civilians to shield military objectives from attacks. It found no evidence that Hamas or other armed groups forced residents to stay in or around buildings used by fighters, nor that fighters prevented residents from leaving buildings or areas which had been commandeered by militants
http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/a...a74-4853-860f-0563725e633a/mde150152009en.pdf
There have been civilians using themselves as human shields voluntarily
In November 2006, Palestinian women volunteered as human shields to allow the escape of Hamas gunmen from Israeli forces in Beit Hanoun in the Gaza Strip.
The human rights group Rabbis for Human Rights agreed to act as human shields during the annual olive harvest to protect Palestinian villages from settlers.[15]
Whether you still want to believe Israel (which is hilariously moronic) you can't deny they've been responsible for more civilian deaths.
Hamas has offered to halt its rocket attacks if Israel stops its air raids on the Gaza Strip, the BBC understands.
BBC News - Hamas 'ready for Gaza ceasefire' if Israeli raids stop
Bull****.
The Hamas Charter makes it very clear that Israel must cease to exist. In fact, Article Seven of the Charter promotes the murder of ALL Jews.
ISLAM is the enemy, as it has been since Charlie Martel whacked them at Tours, and saved western civilization.....in 752 AD.
You must be happier'n a pig in sh*t, what with all the Muzzies getting "whacked" (your term) in Gaza.
So....your argument is that 12 years ago the IDF used a tactic since banned by ISRAEL..........so that not only justifies Hamas using it, but makes it right as well.
OK.
ANYONE that supports an Islamist terror organization against a free and democratic nation is a drooling moron.
I kinda like it when they kill my enemies, yeah.
My enemies, of course, being Hamas.
All other deaths are regrettable.
The sad part of your argument is folk who support both with the same esteem get lumped into the Jew-hater category for not worshiping their methods either
So...
What methods should Israel use??
A serious question. It is easy to crap on them, but what would you recommend they do??
Hamas charter is very very irrelevant, it's simple inane rhetoric.
Islam is not the enemy , please wake up from your 12th century crusader mindset.
No the argument I brought up was first of all because all the pro-israeli's here like to keep talking about Hama's human shields. But I realized while reading into it there hasn't really been ANY confirmed cases that Hamas has done it. Meanwhile there actually ARE confirmed cases of the IDF doing it.
At the very least both parties are using human shields, so ignoring the IDF's use of human shields and claiming Hamas using them is disingenuous.