Northern Gateway "flawed,” 300 scientists tell Stephen Harper

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JLM said:
There's an old saying- "You can't stop progress". (But I think it can be managed to advantage)
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I'll support stopping the nor gateway if BC stops shipping gas from frakked wells through SK to get to US markets and stops the natural gas pipelines and CNG ports whose ships will do 100x the damage if sunk.

Only if all unicorn ranching moonbeams sign a contract to never grow or smoke indoor weed and pay taxes on what they grow outdoors.
 
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damngrumpy said:
All the insurance in the world won't make up for the loss of the coastline
We don't need to risk our coastline to ship oil to Asia. BC folks by and
large don't want it.
The recourse is to throw out any politician that supports it regardless of
party
I am not on the front line of the environmental movement but it seems the
public opinion on this is not selling well. They're spending money on it and
they can't even get the host city on board all this and still they can't get a
buy in from residents of the Province
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Depends on who you ask. Conveniently all the polls are conducted away from where the action is. Since I work in Kitamat I talk with lots of people from along the PR George-Pr Rupert corridor and they are in favor. Now when they say Kitamat as a terminus it does not necessarily mean right by the smelter. That is simply the closest water. My preference in that area would be farther down the inlet closer to open water like the LNG plant only farther.
More probably the oil line will run to Pr. Rupert or possibly even Kitsault depending on the route. Currently the bands along the route are just holding out for a bigger slice of the pie without actually having to do any work.
 
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Cliffy said:
Enbridge satire that was removed from Vancouver "Province" website - YouTube
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I'll pay for you to get cable so you don't have to watch YouTube craziness that is rotting your mind.

I feel your mind is worth $40 a month to save.

taxslave said:
Depends on who you ask. Conveniently all the polls are conducted away from where the action is. Since I work in Kitamat I talk with lots of people from along the PR George-Pr Rupert corridor and they are in favor. Now when they say Kitamat as a terminus it does not necessarily mean right by the smelter. That is simply the closest water. My preference in that area would be farther down the inlet closer to open water like the LNG plant only farther.
More probably the oil line will run to Pr. Rupert or possibly even Kitsault depending on the route. Currently the bands along the route are just holding out for a bigger slice of the pie without actually having to do any work.
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LNG tankers sinking are worse than oil by a looooong shot and guess what? Some BC prairie farmer probably a Conservative allowed them to frak deep below his BC canola fields for that gas which will need pipelines to get to port.
 
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petros said:
I'll pay for you to get cable so you don't have to watch YouTube craziness that is rotting your mind.

I feel your mind is worth $40 a month to save.



LNG tankers sinking are worse than oil by a looooong shot and guess what? Some BC prairie farmer probably a Conservative allowed them to frak deep below his BC canola fields for that gas which will need pipelines to get to port.
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How so? The greenies wouldn't even see the gas leaking out. Cleanup is easy, just light a match.
 
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petros said:
I'm more of a trout guy. Far more tender and tastier.

Sea gulls are killing hundreds of people a day. They are spreading super bugs like wildfire.
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Where is all this death occurring, Petros? Didn't see too many dropping all the years I lived on the Island! -:)
 
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Cliffy said:
Retired sea captain: Don't be fooled by Harper's pipeline plans



I've sailed every part of this coast, seen just about every kind of storm, squall or system, and I've experienced every kind of tide, current or cycle imaginable. With this in mind I believe I am qualified to ask the simplest of questions: Why would anyone in their right mind ever consider the proposition of running supertankers through the seascape around Kitimat?
Every skipper would describe the conditions in B.C. as "unpredictable." This aptly pertains to anywhere along our coast but gains special meaning when applied to the labyrinth of inlets and islands along the route out of Kitimat. There are simply too many variables at play to guarantee safety, and there have been only too many wrecks to prove it. These include the carcass of the U.S. Warship M.S. Zalinski currently leaking its 700 tons of fuel oil into the estuary, and the ill-fated Queen of the North that sunk as recently as 2006.




more: Retired sea captain: Don't be fooled by Harper's pipeline plans | rabble.ca
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He would be one of the many many junk boat slippers i watched sailing along with diesel streaming behind. Oil and grease everywhere on their equipment and decks. Or sitting in port with a slick all around them. I wonder what damage many many thousands of these caused over the years? Nah forgetaboutit, look for something else to whine about. How bout this? We will continue to breed out of control on this earth until we must visit with those who will delete enough of us to serve their interests.
 
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taxslave said:
Thats what happens when you buy a bunch of 50-60 year old pipelines and can't get the permits necessary to replace them.
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From Conoco.

Using data from Enbridge's own reports, the Polaris Institute calculated that 804 spills occurred on Enbridge pipelines between 1999 and 2010. These spills released approximately 161,475 barrels (25,672.5*m3) of crude oil into the environment.[12
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40 bbls per day over 11 years. Over 25,420km out of 2.2 million bbls per day.

Big time death.

How many barrels per day to run a diesel bus? 4-5?
 
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