Prisoner trade by Obama: Malevolent or just Stupid?
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New allegations against Bergdahl have arisen. He may have collaborated with the Taliban in its attacks against American soldiers. A court martial may be in order.
So you rethought the idea of using facebook as a source for your point there?
Probably a good edit.
BTW, why does it seem like all the people who would were screaming "LEAVE NO MAN BEHIND! LEAVE NO MAN BEHIND!" in the Benghazi situation, all of a sudden seem to be saying "maybe we should leave some men behind".
Tons of news reports regarding his capture. His kit at his post was neatly laid out.
He was shall we say fed up with the war.
Military members had a gag order preventing comments on him a while he was in the hands of the Taliban.
That was lifted when he was traded.
More and more it appears he deserted.
He is being debriefed for what went down along with information on the Taliban
If he did desert he will be Court Martialed or an Article 5.
I do not see an Article 5 happening.
AWOL and Desertion - Probable Punishments
The commander decides how to process desertion and absentee cases after examining all the circumstances of the case, speaking with the accused, and conferring with his/her senior advisors and the JAG (Judge Advocate General) office.
The commander has many options to choose from. The commander could impose Article 15 (nonjudicial punishment), possibly imposing a fine, or restriction, or correctional custody, or reduction in rank, and then allow the member to return to duty. The commander could impose an administrative discharge, usually with either a general or other-than-honorable conditions (OTHC) discharge characterization. The commander could impose Article 15 punishment, and then follow it up immediately with administrative discharge proceedings (thereby discharging the person with no stripes on his/her shoulder and/or imposing a fine so they are discharged with little or no money in their pocket). Or, the commander could refer the case to trial by court-martial.
AWOL and Desertion - Maximum Possible Punishments
Article 85 - Desertion. This is the most serious of the absentee offenses. Remember the primary difference between AWOL and desertion is intent to remain away from the military permanently.
(1) If a member deserted, but voluntarily returned to military control: Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, reduction to the lowest enlisted grade, and confinement for 2 years.
(2) If the member deserted and the desertion was terminated by apprehension: Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, reduction to the lowest enlisted grade, and confinement for 3 years.
(3) If the member deserted with the intent to avoid hazardous duty or to shirk important service (and example of this would be a member ordered to deploy to Iraq and then deserts to avoid the deployment): Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, reduction to the lowest enlisted grade, and confinement for 5 years.
(4) If the member deserts during time of war: Death or such other punishment (such as life in prison) as a court-martial may direct.
As commander in Chief....Obama would never permit it.....Can they wait two years to charge him??
The Leave No Man Behind argument doesn't apply to the Bowe Bergdahl exchange because he was never a prisoner of war. Bergdahl wasn't captured by the Taliban. Bergdahl left his post...he was either a deserter or AWOL.
"In his five years of captivity, Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl was never listed by the Pentagon as a prisoner of war.
Nor has the U.S. applied that term to any of its Taliban prisoners — including the five senior Taliban figures who were released last weekend from detention at the U.S. detention center at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, in exchange for Bergdahl’s freedom..."
Bergdahl Never Listed By Pentagon As Prisoner Of War « CBS DC
"In his five years of captivity, Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl was never listed by the Pentagon as a prisoner of war.
Nor has the U.S. applied that term to any of its Taliban prisoners — including the five senior Taliban figures who were released last weekend from detention at the U.S. detention center at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, in exchange for Bergdahl’s freedom..."
Bergdahl Never Listed By Pentagon As Prisoner Of War « CBS DC
The post you quoted is part of a conversation in regards to this initial post.
We are not discussing if he is a deserter or not. We are discussing if Obama gave the Taliban exactly what they wanted.
All he referenced in support of that was a question from a reporter that he can't even name. Now his panties are in a bunch over the fact that a question from a reporter is not proof of anything. He would apparently rather sulk about that rather than try to discuss the initial point.
All this crap about if he is a deserter or not is premature. We don't know all the facts, and there is no reason to pass judgement in any sort of rush.
When it comes down to it, I think there is no questions that the US has to do whatever it takes to bring their soldiers home. If there are other issues, they can be dealt with in due time.
What is US law on seeking release of someone who is either a deserter or AWOL, but not a prisoner of war?
I thought the saying was simply "Leave No Man Behind". Not, "Leave No Man Behind as long as they are classified as a POW. Otherwise........"
How does one define "man" when his actions demonstrate that he has abandoned his post voluntarily? Seems when that happens he is no longer your "man."
"At least six soldiers died while searching for Sgt. Bowe Bergdhal in hostile Taliban territory when he went missing in Afghanistan five years ago.
And now, those who served with those six say Mr. Bergdhal is at fault for their deaths because he abandoned his military post, the New York Post reported...."
Read more: Soldiers killed trying to rescue Bowe Bergdahl, branded a deserter by comrades - Washington Times
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Btw, Bergdahl's father tweeted to the Taliban informing them of his work to obtain the release of jihadis held at Gitmo. What do you think of that?
And now, those who served with those six say Mr. Bergdhal is at fault for their deaths because he abandoned his military post, the New York Post reported...."
Read more: Soldiers killed trying to rescue Bowe Bergdahl, branded a deserter by comrades - Washington Times
Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter
Btw, Bergdahl's father tweeted to the Taliban informing them of his work to obtain the release of jihadis held at Gitmo. What do you think of that?