David Suzuki: Climate change is here

darkbeaver

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BornRuff, send me a link to your precious science and I'll critique it for you, free as an introductory offer.
We'll trade links.

What is happening to farms? We produce too much?
It's your fossil fuel gobbling tractors Petros, why can't you use carbon free horses,you know the breed that don't fart.
 

BornRuff

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No there isn't a large body of scientific evidence to support CO2 as the culprit in climate change, there is a large body of faux science barflegab foisted on unsuspecting innocents like yourself who gobble it up without a dime worth of applied critical thinking. You've been sucked in by bankers and their slave science mouthpieces who will say anything to keep their grants and salaries. Send me a post card from Dupeville will ya, I collect them. You are obviously not free enough to assemble your own philosophy or maybe you're just too damn lazy to do your own thinking and reading. insert smiley

I do lots of reading and thinking. I just tend to believe things that are actually backed up by facts and research.

If you think money is the main factor motivating this, why on earth would you think that global warming deniers would be a financial disadvantage? Fossil fuel energy companies are many of the richest companies in the world.
 

darkbeaver

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i do lots of reading and thinking. I just tend to believe things that are actually backed up by facts and research.

If you think money is the main factor motivating this, why on earth would you think that global warming deniers would be a financial disadvantage? Fossil fuel energy companies are many of the richest companies in the world.

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Really? Puh-leeze write a letter right now to the IPCC to alert them of this critical fact. I'm sure they've just overlloked it. Once they realize that organic chemictsry is carbon-based, they will be able to issue a retraction.

Just trying to help you truthers connect the dots on this... Mind you, it is tons of chuckles watching all of the bobbing and weaving by you folks when confronted by the obvious

Fossil fuel energy companies are many of the richest companies in the world.

... And?
 

darkbeaver

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How is natural cyclical climate change a human caused problem, if it is indeed a problem, and who in their right mind would downplay a natural occuring fact of solar physics.
 

BornRuff

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How is natural cyclical climate change a human caused problem, if it is indeed a problem, and who in their right mind would downplay a natural occuring fact of solar physics.

Haha, you couldn't even hold up your end of the deal on that link demand?

And no, nobody is complaining about "natural cyclical climate change", they are talking about climate change caused by humans.
 

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They have a strong incentive to finance research that downplays climate change, no?
No! Oil companies would NEVER lie for financial gain! Only scientists do that, and only scientists who conclude AGW is real at that!

How DARE you slander oil companies like that! Oil companies are as honest and true as. . . as. . . Catholic priests!

No, wait. . .
 

petros

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Haha, you couldn't even hold up your end of the deal on that link demand?

And no, nobody is complaining about "natural cyclical climate change", they are talking about climate change caused by humans.

No they aren't, only 32% suggest AGW the other 66% take no stance. Of the 32% 97% are in consensus.
 

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They have a strong incentive to finance research that downplays climate change, no?



A question for you... Tides Foundation, Greenpeace, WWF, etc all have crap-tons of cash... Why aren't they doing the ground breaking research on alternatives?
 

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A question for you... Tides Foundation, Greenpeace, WWF, etc all have crap-tons of cash... Why aren't they doing the ground breaking research on alternatives?
The same reason granola munchers blow their money on indoor pot instead of buying into and having power within the realm they hate.
 

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A question for you... Tides Foundation, Greenpeace, WWF, etc all have crap-tons of cash... Why aren't they doing the ground breaking research on alternatives?

Lol, I say that in response to this:

No there isn't a large body of scientific evidence to support CO2 as the culprit in climate change, there is a large body of faux science barflegab foisted on unsuspecting innocents like yourself who gobble it up without a dime worth of applied critical thinking. You've been sucked in by bankers and their slave science mouthpieces who will say anything to keep their grants and salaries.

And I am the one who gets the tin foil hat treatment?

Do you honestly think that climate change deniers are at a financial disadvantage?

Who says those foundations are not funding research?
 

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BECAUSE WE ENJOY relatively pure air, clean water, and healthy food systems, Canadians sometimes take the environment for granted. Many scarcely blink if oil from a pipeline spills into a river, a forest is cleared for tar sands operations or agricultural land is fracked for gas. If Arctic ice melts and part of the Antarctic ice sheet collapses, well…they're far away.

Yes David... we're all complete morons who never heard of Global Warming or Climate Change and this is the first time any of us have heard of the terms or knew what their consequences may or may not be, either directly or indirectly..... None of this even has been mentioned at all in the last 30+ fk'n years!

Canada and other nations just decided to introduce compost bins, recycling, more energy efficient products, etc. etc. just for the living hell of it.

Some see climate change as a distant threat, if they see it as a threat at all. But the scientific evidence is overwhelming: climate change is here, and unless we curb behaviours that contribute to it, it will get worse, putting our food, air, water, and security at risk.

Oh yeah?

It's "HERE NOW?"

I thought it was here 10 years ago..... I thought it was here 15 years ago.... I thought it was here back in the 70's..... oh... but "IT'S HERE NOW" Now.

Now is the new "NOW" now.... this is the Now and all the other Nows weren't really Nows, they were pre-nows leading up to the Now Now that we Now Know is the Now??

We have to act soon to prevent serious problems??

Weren't we supposed to be acting soon a long time ago? Wasn't Al Gore's Reign of Terror of Global Warming supposed to be the time we're supposed to act soon?

Weren't the late 80's / early 90's supposed to be the time we're supposed to Act Soon before everything started to go to hell by 1997??

No.... NOW WE SHOULD BE ACTING SOON!!

And in another 5-10 years, Global Warming will be happening Then (the new new Now) and we'll still have to act soon.

I think it's a little too late to do sweet fk' all Mr. Suzuki..... and with all the major shifts our cultures have actually made to help reduce our footprint and pollution over the last 30-40 years, and still are, if that's still not good enough, then I guess we're doomed.

People like him won't be happy until we're all living in huts & hunting with spears again.

Only then will we finally reduce our pollution impact enough for them to be satisfied.

.... Even then, I'm sure they'd complain about the amount of fecal matter coming out of our a*ses.