Abortion -The poll is not based upon Religious belief - It is based ethics

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PoliticalNick

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I don't give a rats a$$ if people get "angry" for me stating the obvious and the truth.
It is your personal version of the truth, that is my point. We all have our own truths and the collective opinion in Canada right now is your truth is false.
 

BornRuff

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Nov 17, 2013
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In Canada the majority favor some limits on abortion. Yet we cannot have a reasoned debate not only in Canada but in some cases on this very thread. If abortion of late term viable healthy children does not occur then what is the issue with enacting this as law.
If it did ocurr the majority would be disgusted.And the possibility will always exist that it will occur.
And please do not give me the slippery slope argument.


Ethics do change.

The comment was about sex selection, not late term abortions.

Exactly what do you want the government to do about sex selective abortions?

When it comes to late term abortions, it is simply a waste of time for the government to pass laws against things that are not an issue.

All it would possibly do is make it harder for doctors to care for their patients if there is a medical emergency late in pregnancy.

The only real benefit is to people who want to flaunt their moral superiority for political gain.
 

JLM

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This subject has been beaten ad nauseum and it's not going to improve until we can all agree on two things- 1. A fetus is alive and 2. A fetus is human (and 3. A fetus should have rights).
 

Goober

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The comment was about sex selection, not late term abortions.

Exactly what do you want the government to do about sex selective abortions?

When it comes to late term abortions, it is simply a waste of time for the government to pass laws against things that are not an issue.

All it would possibly do is make it harder for doctors to care for their patients if there is a medical emergency late in pregnancy.

The only real benefit is to people who want to flaunt their moral superiority for political gain.

How does this make it more difficult. It does not.
Moral superiority really. So you must consider abortion to be morally repugnant?
This is not about political beliefs as those that support some restrictions cross all political lines and religious beliefs, and not to be forgotten are Atheists and Agnostics who also support some restrictions.
 

BornRuff

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How does this make it more difficult. It does not.

You have not actually proposed anything about how you would implement your ideas, but you are sure they wont make any medical decisions any harder?

Maybe tell us exactly what you are proposing and then we can talk about that.

Moral superiority really. So you must consider abortion to be morally repugnant?

Nope. You obviously do though. Since you have not shown any interest discussing how to actually change what is going on though, it is pretty apparent that all you want to do is make sure everyone knows that you are really really against this and point out everyone who isn't as against it as you are.

This is not about political beliefs as those that support some restrictions cross all political lines and religious beliefs, and not to be forgotten are Atheists and Agnostics who also support some restrictions.

That is a pretty meaningless statistic without any info on what they are actually referring to.

For example, I wouldn't support very late term abortion for no reason, but that doesn't necessarily mean I think the law should be changed. Those restrictions are already in place.

So while I would be part of that statistic, obviously I don't agree with you.
 

Locutus

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seems to me like killing an innocent unborn baby is um...let's see, cowardly. yeah, cowardly.

I could be wrong though.
 

JLM

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seems to me like killing an innocent unborn baby is um...let's see, cowardly. yeah, cowardly.

I could be wrong though.

Not sure if I'd go quite that far, but it sure doesn't take a lot of character, what with all the folks looking to adopt! Life is precious.
 

Cliffy

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I think that because there are people who think they have a right to impose their moral or ethical principles on others, that that is grounds enough to justify abortions. .
 

petros

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Nov 21, 2008
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Legitimate questions and BumFluff are like oil and water.

I think that because there are people who think they have a right to impose their moral or ethical principles on others, that that is grounds enough to justify abortions. .

Coming from the guy who desires to impose the 1800s on society.
 

BornRuff

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Not sure if I'd go quite that far, but it sure doesn't take a lot of character, what with all the folks looking to adopt! Life is precious.

There are already 10's of thousands of kids in Canada in need of a permanent family. Why don't we worry about them first?

Legitimate questions and BumFluff are like oil and water.

What are you mad about now?
 

Sal

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In Canada, there are nearly 30,000 children in the foster care system available for adoption..

Additionally, there is a pervasive belief, shared both by individuals considering foster care adoption and those
who are not, that children in foster care are more likely to suf
fer from a variety of issues, such as behavioural
issues and difficulty bonding, than children adopted internationally or privately
. Specifically:

51 per cent of Canadians believe children in foster care were juvenile delinquents. In reality,
children enter the foster care system through no fault of their own, as victims of neglect,
abandonment or abuse.

45 per cent of Canadians think children adopted through foster care are more likely than other
children to face challenges with trust and bonding.

40 per cent of Canadians think children adopted through foster care are more likely than other
children to have behaviour or self-control issues.

51 per cent of people who have considered foster care adoption think the children will have
problems with trust and bonding.

49 per cent of people who have considered foster care adoption think the children are more likely to
have behavioural problems.

76 per cent of individuals who have considered foster care adoption are concerned about the cost
of raising a child to adulthood, which is higher than those who have not considered foster care
adoption (54 per cent).

81 per cent of those who have considered adoption fear that birth parents would take the child back
after the adoption. This myth is completely false – once an adoption is final, a birth parent’s rights
are permanently terminated
 

gerryh

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Exactly what do you want the government to do about sex selective abortions?


If abortions were limited to only happening when there was a concrete danger to a woman's physical health, then sex selection abortions would be eliminated.
 

Sal

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It is estimated there are between 143 million and 210 million orphans worldwide (recent UNICEF report.) The UNICEF orphan numbers DON’T include abandonment (millions of children) as well as sold and/or trafficked children. The current population of the United States is just a little over 300 million… to give you an idea of the enormity of the numbers… According to data released in 2003 as many as eight million boys and girls around the world live in institutional care. Some studies have found that violence in residential institutions is six times higher than violence in foster care, and that children in group care are almost four times more likely to experience sexual abuse than children in family based care.

Every day 5,760 more children become orphans

Approximately 250,000 children are adopted annually, but…

Each year 14, 505, 000 children grow up as orphans and age out of the system by age sixteen
Each day 38,493 orphans age out

Every 2.2 seconds another orphan ages out with no family to belong to and no place to call home

Studies have shown that 10% – 15% of these children commit suicide before they reach age eighteen

These studies also show that 60% of the girls become prostitutes and 70% of the boys become hardened criminals

Another study reported that of the 15,000 orphans aging out of state-run institutions every year, 10% committed suicide, 5,000 were unemployed, 6,000 were homeless and 3,000 were in prison within three years…

An estimated 1.2 million children are trafficked every year; (THE STATE OF THE WORLD’S CHILDREN 2005)
2 million children, the majority of them girls, are sexually exploited in the multibillion-dollar commercial sex industry. (THE STATE OF THE WORLD’S CHILDREN 2005)
 

gerryh

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It is estimated there are between 143 million and 210 million orphans worldwide (recent UNICEF report.) The UNICEF orphan numbers DON’T include abandonment (millions of children) as well as sold and/or trafficked children. The current population of the United States is just a little over 300 million… to give you an idea of the enormity of the numbers… According to data released in 2003 as many as eight million boys and girls around the world live in institutional care. Some studies have found that violence in residential institutions is six times higher than violence in foster care, and that children in group care are almost four times more likely to experience sexual abuse than children in family based care.

Every day 5,760 more children become orphans

Approximately 250,000 children are adopted annually, but…

Each year 14, 505, 000 children grow up as orphans and age out of the system by age sixteen
Each day 38,493 orphans age out

Every 2.2 seconds another orphan ages out with no family to belong to and no place to call home

Studies have shown that 10% – 15% of these children commit suicide before they reach age eighteen

These studies also show that 60% of the girls become prostitutes and 70% of the boys become hardened criminals

Another study reported that of the 15,000 orphans aging out of state-run institutions every year, 10% committed suicide, 5,000 were unemployed, 6,000 were homeless and 3,000 were in prison within three years…

An estimated 1.2 million children are trafficked every year; (THE STATE OF THE WORLD’S CHILDREN 2005)
2 million children, the majority of them girls, are sexually exploited in the multibillion-dollar commercial sex industry. (THE STATE OF THE WORLD’S CHILDREN 2005)


well shyte, there ya go. That justifies killing the 100,000 plus baby's per year in Canada.

oh, and by the way, in Canada, children don't "age out" of the system at 16 years old. But why a little thing like facts get in the way of a good story. Right?