1500 Year Old Bible Claims Jesus Christ Was Not Crucified
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The truth is that pretty much everything he writes here adds to my conviction that he's completely wrong.
Well, they certainly haven't been of any benefit, but when you start a post with a sentence that includes my name it seems reasonable for me to assume you're addressing me.
Reasonable indeed, Dex. Feel free to repel anything that does not suit your paradigm. There is liberty for others here to read our words and glean or repel as suits them.
The message of the Bible is multidimensional in this way. Although Scripture references particular people, times and circumstances (microscopic view), there is also a prophetic, telescopic view looking back or projecting forward to distinctly different people, times and circumstances as well. This layering in the biblical revelation fits with the absoluteness, permanence and universality of the Logos.
"If anyone has ears to hear, let them hear." (Mark 4:23 NIV)
Good thing I stick mostly to the religious threads then isn't it. Completely wrong about every topic must be some sort of record. Considering the source of the condemnation I'm sure you two will understand why I'm not in the bathroom crying my eyes out. Worse yet is you two being the dynamic duo that Cliffy hopes you are is met with a few sporadic words of doubt yet nothing of any substance at all in the vain (in that it didn't work) attempt to counter my (meaningless post) about what the message is God gave when 'day of the Lord' is the topic. If either of you had any real challenges they would have been posted yet you are smart and I'm the idiot, after all if you couldn't 'solve it' then there 'is no solution'.
I'm pretty sure I could sit down with a few people from any walk of life and using a few basic study techniques the most complex chapter I can find would be quite easy to 'dymistify'. Here is the 'unbiblical reason' for doing that, with one person doing the research and the summation there is a very good possibility he missed something. Using 3 people who have gone over the same material and then a summation made less material should have been 'overlooked'. The total experiences of the 3 would also play a part in that the reference material would include any part of the Bible down to a single verse as being what is included as the 'various pieces' involved.
Of the 3 of us who should be pitied the most, for myself it would be like meeting two individuals that I know I need in order to 'solve a puzzle' and the two I meet are 'anti-bible' so asking if the term 'exploits' in Da:11 means the same as a phrase in Re:11 is not going to get a 'yes' or 'no' reply and that very same pattern will become the 'norm' rather than something that has any 'substance at all'.
Neither of you even know what the Bible promotes as being a fallen angel, yet the 2nd last book is devoted to telling us who they were before the flood. What kind of being does it take 10,000 of the same (but law abiding) that the others can be put into the earth where they are today, waiting for the appointed time when they will be released. If they are not as powerful as depicted why only allow a handful out and still 1/3 of mankind will die in just over 3 years. If your knowledge base is at zero about who Angels are then how could you possibly know how Revelation goes or Da:11 when fallen angels are the ones ruling the earth, just as they did before the flood.
On the bright side both of your views do have a conclusion, for cliffy the church would die out along with the Bible and a relationship with 'God' is something that is just there as long as the body has life in it. The revival of pagan Rome would be played out on the political stage and the defeat of selected earthly nations will be considered ending what the exodus wars started and that is the conclusion of all things the Bible mentions.
If I am wrong I would have to adapt to some version of the above alternatives and then die and enter the grave (forever). If the alternatives never happen I'm not sure either of you has an alternative let alone one that fits something the Bible actually promotes.
For all the jaw-jacking that gets done in the 'gossip' section I would think the current issues in the Ukraine would have it being it is 'Russia' that is 'revived' rather than the RCC and that is who is the famed AC down to the harlot/daughter being the woman with the braided hair as being her 'crown of gold' or some such PR crap. Bad thing about a 'deception' is you can't do a play-by-play as it is unfolding or the 'in hindsight' scene just doesn't play the same
Cliffy, is that your artwork?
Lacks the detail that fills in the blanks for me as I have so little imagination. They also build pyramids as a group effort on long-weekends.
Had the details of this talk been recorded we would have been saved a lot of the guesswork.
Lu:24:27:
And beginning at Moses and all the prophets,
he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
Science has relieved much human misery and suffering on a scope and scale, with a speed, yours could never match. My paradigm demonstrably works. Yours doesn't.
The fact is those that held the reigns of power with THAT! book in hand derailed any attempt for science to benefit humankind.
There was a time priests could wash in warm water and the common folk told that demons could enter their body in hot water baths so bathe in cold.
My grandfather never touched the hot water tap and bathed in a cold water bath all his life.
It's odd for he was a very famous person in his own right due to his art and life in Canada. Not an idiot at all.
I don't think it was to do with the fear of demonology involved , at least I hope so,more of another remnant of the legacy of a corrupt religious culture handed down.
Being born in the 1880's in Europe did have it's nuance. lol.
I'd suggest you read some real theology Lothian. Try Étienne Gilson on Thomas Aquinas or any number of texts on Christian belief and practice.. rather than some backwater, illiterate superstition of 'demonology'.. that has nothing to do with human responsibility vis a vis the reality Good and Evil in the world. In fact nothing to do with (Catholic) Christianity. I suggest you acquaint yourself with some real knowledge, before running your mouth on things you have no clue about.
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Count,
Is there any value in discerning between manufactured regulations (hot baths and all) and the actual content of "THAT" book? I assure you, we don't put the babies in cold bathwater to keep the demons away. The mother in law, yes. But not the babies. Much has been done in the name of Christianity that we Christians wholly disagree with. We try to be mindful of the wolves in sheeps' clothing. Sounds like the priests wanted to hoard the hot water from the towns folk. I suppose that was considered an employment benefit back in the day. Can you supply another example minus the obvious overlord scenario?
So you do not deny that what I stated is true and historic, the church created this superstitious demonology.
It was the Church that instilled the superstition , witch hunts , torture and all manner of hostile acts towards the human race it controlled for centuries.
It has everything to do with the Catholic Church.
Do you also wish to ignore the Spanish Inquisition in order to call my Illustriousness down to your level of barbaric depravity.
Any backing of this Catholic Church in this day and age is throw back to medieval times. Wait one secound , they are the cause to the Dark Ages.
On your bike!
Unfortunately the masses wish to ignore the fact that in anyone's hands ,given any power over the masses ,this book creates evil on a scale over time that even the worse dictators cannot compete with.
The fact the bible has entire sections devoted to a god aiding in the demise and genocide of people should be your first cause for being somewhat wary of devoting yourself to this god.
In order to have the masses held sway there are a plethora of reasons not to question the obvious and hold true unawares.
have a read, and tell me this is not the ultimate con in keeping you blind.
What Does the Bible Say About Keeping Faith?
Modern secular revised history has rebranded the Medieval Inquisition and Spanish Inquisition for something it was not.
It was intended as a court of arbitration to curtail witch hunts and pogroms against Jews that were the product of local secular lynch mobs.. driven by 'demonology', fear mongering, looting and slander. In most cases it resulted in the acquittal of the accused.. or re-admittance to a state of grace through simple penance.
Hence the Inquisition was intended to prevent mass delusions and rampages that happened in Salem (or innumerable other atrocities during the Reformation) without benefit of appeal to reason and to fair hearing for the accused.
No human institution has ever been without guilt and error. The Church (which IS a human institution) has always strived for a perfection (in conforming to the Mystical Body of Christ) that the secular world considers a delusion.. good and evil being only relative points of view.. human responsibility being only to one's temporal survival and gratication.
The Church realizes at least that Good and Evil are at the core of Creation and human existence.. that they are absolutes.. and form the defining instruments of human destiny.
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And you have the balls to accuse others of revisionism! You are the master of revisionism.
At least i haven't derived my complete knowlege of the Spanish Inquisition from a Monty Python skit, Cliffy.
The Catholic Church is the reason for the Dark Ages he says. Try the Fall of the Roman Empire.
Pick up a book sometime.
Ahhhhh the good ol' religion of science that has all the answers and none of the answers all at the same time. Cool.
statically speaking, what are the odds of somebody you haven't seen or thought of for years popping into your head while driving home. When you get home you find a message saying that person died that morning?
Pure 100% coinkydink?
Yeah, boy, that sure beats electricity, indoor heating, telecommunications, vaccination, high-productivity agricultural methods, roads, cars, and the internet you're pissing and moaning on.
I'll take science. You can have your "spiritual" coincidences.
How would you get the message that ol' Fred died without science and engineering?
Your positive and negative assertions, Dex:
1) your paradigm (science) works (relieves human misery and suffering on an unmatched scale and with unrivaled speed)
2) my paradigm (unnamed) does not (work)
Please support both of your assertions with data. (There should be sufficient evidence to warrant the matchless "scope" and "scale" qualifiers in your positive assertion : )
One thing I know, science has made it possible for man to out do god in killing masses of people.
Which reminds me of an old joke: A man, down on his luck (his wife left him, he lost his job, etc) so he goes to church, kneels before the alter and begins to sob, : "Why me Lord?" Just then a bolt of lightning comes down and turns him to a pile of ashes. A booming voice come down from above, "Because you piss me off."
Which reminds me of an old joke: A man, down on his luck (his wife left him, he lost his job, etc) so he goes to church, kneels before the alter and begins to sob, : "Why me Lord?" Just then a bolt of lightning comes down and turns him to a pile of ashes. A booming voice come down from above, "Because you piss me off."