1500 Year Old Bible Claims Jesus Christ Was Not Crucified
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This is lucidity .
Simple lucidity.
Nothing offensive nothing to claim the man is trying to convert.
The problem lies in people who want to use religion to control.
Our own government swears on a Bible.
It's a throw back to the dark ages, or a remnant more than likely.
Then our government lies and cheats and does everything that goes against what the book they swear allegiance with is about.
Whole other matter.
We are energy and that energy like all energy never increases or decreases just just changes.
We have no control to what will come after death.
We have no control at watching the sun set. It just does.
Cliffy, This is a forum. Differing opinions will be found here. Sit back, eat a sandwich and enjoy the forum's lively discussion. By the way, why are you not leaving any room for my belief system? What requirements are needed for a belief system to get the green light?
I'm not answering for Cliffy here.
Christians by nature say this is the only way to something they invented.
Their concept of the here and after and they way to get there is of their own making.
It is unique.
Hindus have another take on it.
Jews and Muslims a variation on the theme Christians demand everyone to believe in.
Buddhist and new agers and myself Dexter and Cliffy have their own ideas of what happens after death as well.
I'm sure dexter and cliffy and myself would agree to disagree on lot of the mechanics of it.
Dex probably believes , and this is an assumption that this is it.
Point is people come to their own conclusions on these matters and it's unfair to ask for a green light to something that for more and more people is an absurdity.
To me the message of love of Jesus served humans well.
It tamed a barbaric people and instilled charitable notions into the human psyche. not such a bad thing.
It's 2014, asking for people to believe in supernatural events that took place 2000 years ago with none since is a little much.
Al Pacino Speech on Devil's Advocate - YouTube
Does stating my perception of reality somehow negate yours? Are my statements somehow being perceived as an attack on your beliefs? I have studied the bible and Christianity all of my life. What I state are what I have found in those studies. Perhaps, like you, I am concerned with salvation from evil. Perhaps I am trying to save you from yourself by trying to present a bigger picture.
Cliffy,
No, I don't think you are attacking my beliefs. I think you are just disagreeing with them. It's ahright.
No, I don't think you are attacking my beliefs. I think you are just disagreeing with them. It's ahright.
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Knowing your "belief system", cj, I would say that a "Christian Discussion" forum is the perfect place to air your faith.
"The Lord is close to the brokenhearted and saves those who are crushed in spirit." (Psalm 34:18 NIV)
Just for the record, I do not have an injured, walled-off heart, nor am I brokenhearted, crushed in spirit, or any of the other things you've suggested might be reasons for my lack of faith. There's nothing significant defective about me, I am a contented, successful man who's done well so far at everything that mattered to me and I expect that will continue to the end of my life. My lack of faith, my apostasy, is due entirely to my reasoned analysis of it about 30 years ago. I've learned a lot since, but nothing that could change my mind. I lack faith because I see no reason to have it, it adds nothing to my understanding of the world--in fact it renders much of it incomprehensible and incoherent--and its claims don't make sense.
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The 'blessed' you mentioned are the 'disadvantaged' and by your own admission you are 'sound of mind' so the 'blessed' part that would apply to you is that when it is all said and 'figured out' it is better for mankind that the Bible is 'true' compared to if it is 'fictional'.
I have to admit being a bit puzzled by you saying your conclusions arrived at 30 years ago are still valid today even though you have 'kept up on the information and discussions'. If you didn't suffer from any of the 'ailments' then why use the 'no help came' part as proof that your version is correct.
As for needing something that would change your mind would something less than meeting somebody resurrected from the dead be on your list of 'realities' equals 'time to reweigh the options'.
As a 'believer' because of being 'rescued early' (poor in spirit) rather than having to wait for 'physical proof' would I be given a clearer insight to what the words mean if I was 'fussy' about what that required and complexity above the 'expected level' is something that 'sways' a person to one side of the line or the other? God's version of the Stockholm Syndrome where the 'changes made' actually seem to make sense when the verses themselves are read.
I'm pretty sure the 'pattern' could be seen if it was unfolding rather than leave somebody needing proof is being dead as their first 'proof' that God reality in all forms but when prophecy is unfolding there should be a checklist available. That being said the first gathering is for a set number and it is on the short side of being 'the most' of mankind because it is more like the population of today was arrived at by having just 4 families. The first ones end up being 'Shepherds' to all the ones not alive for the first part so the final ratio will be very large.
Ti:2:13:
Looking for that blessed hope,
and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
I have to admit being a bit puzzled by you saying your conclusions arrived at 30 years ago are still valid today even though you have 'kept up on the information and discussions'. If you didn't suffer from any of the 'ailments' then why use the 'no help came' part as proof that your version is correct.
As for needing something that would change your mind would something less than meeting somebody resurrected from the dead be on your list of 'realities' equals 'time to reweigh the options'.
As a 'believer' because of being 'rescued early' (poor in spirit) rather than having to wait for 'physical proof' would I be given a clearer insight to what the words mean if I was 'fussy' about what that required and complexity above the 'expected level' is something that 'sways' a person to one side of the line or the other? God's version of the Stockholm Syndrome where the 'changes made' actually seem to make sense when the verses themselves are read.
I'm pretty sure the 'pattern' could be seen if it was unfolding rather than leave somebody needing proof is being dead as their first 'proof' that God reality in all forms but when prophecy is unfolding there should be a checklist available. That being said the first gathering is for a set number and it is on the short side of being 'the most' of mankind because it is more like the population of today was arrived at by having just 4 families. The first ones end up being 'Shepherds' to all the ones not alive for the first part so the final ratio will be very large.
Ti:2:13:
Looking for that blessed hope,
and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
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Ce n'est pas possible! You are obviously soulsick, evil, or both!
But Jeebus wubs you and aches to take you in his arms. Unless you die. Then he's going to torture you forever and ever.
Not that he's arbitrary or anything.
Actually he was a psychopathic, genocidal maniac. Jesus had him put in a home for the criminally insane then whitewashed his image. He knew the Gawd botherers have a short memory.
You say that like it's a bad thing.
There are always tough, painful decisions to make when aging parents start to go ga-ga. Next thing you know, it'll be Jesus and that slacker Holy Ghost fighting over the inheritance.
Recalling your previous post, Dex, you and I are both aware that others are reading our words here. You can continue to take personal offense at my posts or conclude that these words may not be written here for you and your benefit.
No matter how many sirens swarm and tempt us toward the shoals and no matter how content we are in the presumed superiority of our own navigational instruments and prowess, the beacon that is Christ continues to strobe the darkness at precise intervals to lead the wise away from the rocks towards the less perilous and more vital waters prepared for us.
"If anyone has ears to hear, let them hear.” (Mark 4:23 NIV)