1500 Year Old Bible Claims Jesus Christ Was Not Crucified

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Nobody reads all your word thingies, but if it amuses you, keep it up.
If you had read the last one you would know the quest was to shorten the presentation up. If God summed up 4Billion years in one short poem (Genesis:1) then 'we' should be able to do better.

What would 'amuse' me if for Coly to defend is stance on Mexico as being applicable to the Ukraine in every way possible. Thanks for asking though.

When I start making threads, .... shoot me dead on the spot. I'm going to be somewhat disappointed if there is not an 'I told you so' part before the 'expansion part starts'. Oddly enough when I used to lie everybody was fooled, tell the truth and nobody believes you, which route would you go? That is the question.

Or possibly New Jerusalem Syndrome.
Why doesn't Shin Bet do housecalls, .... overseas house calls? (I hear that is the only cure and really the last Rabbi I chatted with left the room (his own room) all dizzy and confused as to what the topic was about the specifics of some passages) They need to be reexamined for context rather than there being any intentional tampering of the text.

It's already been years, on this board and its predecessor. I don't expect I'll ever change anyone's mind, but these people's claims have to be challenged, .........
Neb was clued into who God was only before he was an aged man, rather than when Daniel first met him. Was God wrong to make his path longer than Saul's path and the few days of blindness he experienced. He was a qualified teacher at the end of those few days, just like Neb was before his life ended by natural death. If Enoch was with God for most of his 360 years then how much did God show Neb in 7 years?

Da:4:33-37:
The same hour was the thing fulfilled upon Nebuchadnezzar:
and he was driven from men,
and did eat grass as oxen,
and his body was wet with the dew of heaven,
till his hairs were grown like eagles' feathers,
and his nails like birds' claws.
And at the end of the days I Nebuchadnezzar lifted up mine eyes unto heaven,
and mine understanding returned unto me,
and I blessed the most High,
and I praised and honoured him that liveth for ever,
whose dominion is an everlasting dominion,
and his kingdom is from generation to generation:
And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing:
and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven,
and among the inhabitants of the earth:
and none can stay his hand,
or say unto him,
What doest thou?
At the same time my reason returned unto me;
and for the glory of my kingdom,
mine honour and brightness returned unto me;
and my counsellers and my lords sought unto me;
and I was established in my kingdom,
and excellent majesty was added unto me.
Now I Nebuchadnezzar praise and extol and honour the King of heaven,
all whose works are truth,
and his ways judgment:
and those that walk in pride he is able to abase.

First, you are not talking about "every human," you are limiting your judgment (judge not, lest ye be judged. Remember that one?) to those humans who do not have faith. .
That applies to having the right to salvation at all, pointing out that someone is obviously not gathered yet is allowed and it might cost you a prayer at best.
 

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It's already been years, on this board and its predecessor. I don't expect I'll ever change anyone's mind, but these people's claims have to be challenged, if only for the sake of those who haven't made up their minds yet.Oh he's way past being merely angry, but it's only words in this little virtual world, nothing to be concerned about in real life, where he'd probably be hitting people if the persona he presents here is real. But I don't think it is.

No apology was necessary, but thanks anyway. Misunderstandings happen, especially when words are all we've got, with no nuances of body language or tone of voice to inform them, so we all need to give each other lots of slack in a forum like this.

The more I read you , and I don't say this lightly , the more you are an OASIS in desert during a sand storm. LOL.
And an apology was necessary for me. Indulge me.
Thanks .
There are a few here worth the maggots.

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First, you are not talking about "every human," you are limiting your judgment to those humans who do not have faith ...That's a long way from "suboptimal."

"This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus." (Romans 3:22-24 NIV)

The "all" referenced above pertains to "every human", TBones. Suboptimal is a synonym for "fall short" above.

Misunderstandings happen, especially when words are all we've got, with no nuances of body language or tone of voice to inform them, so we all need to give each other lots of slack in a forum like this.

My sentiments exactly, Dex. "Lots of slack" sounds like mercy. It's a pleasure to share this common ground with you.
 

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"This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus." (Romans 3:22-24 NIV)

The "all" referenced above pertains to "every human", TBones. Suboptimal is a synonym for "fall short" above.
I've met a number of honest Christians. I'm genuinely sorry you're not in that number.
 

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Your Christian roots are showing, Dex : )
What is funnier is that you would probably be a Muslim (or Jew) if you had been born in the Middle East, or a Hindu or a Buddhist if you were born in the far East. Christianity goes not have a monopoly on being good.
 

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Your Christian roots are showing, Dex : )
Don't think so. A Christian would say you DO need god to be good, and some of them have even told me that whatever goodness is in me is due to god working in me without my knowledge. Or consent I might add. Personally I find that idea a little insulting.
 

Count_Lothian

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Don't think so. A Christian would say you DO need god to be good, and some of them have even told me that whatever goodness is in me is due to god working in me without my knowledge. Or consent I might add. Personally I find that idea a little insulting.
This is the one thing that irks me about these bastards.

they take away any spirituality you bring to the table and say it's god's .

I realized everything is God and God is just a word for everything.
No No no we can't have that . God made you and is above you.

We have a mind , i think this mind is the same that is part of everything and we inter prate the actions of that mind when it communes with us as the Holy Spirit.

It's not the Creator outside anything. and just like we evolve it evolves.

It's not a single entity for it is all of everything. All the energy that ever was and always is in every single moment.

We access it and without knowing it things happen and it is like the Holy Spirit.

I know sort of flaky atheism mixed with pantheism . and a touch of i dunno.
 

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What is funnier is that you would probably be a Muslim (or Jew) if you had been born in the Middle East, or a Hindu or a Buddhist if you were born in the far East. Christianity goes not have a monopoly on being good.

What is "good", Cliffy?
 

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Regarding a person's capability to do good - Distinguish between civic virtues & theological. Yes, I think society is capable of "doing good". Bake a pie for your neighbor instead of kicking him in the shins.

Regarding Reason - are we defining reason as: a sufficient ground of explanation or of logical defense?
Is it possible we are governed by providence?

Since Christianity (in my opinion), is not a religion in the traditionally defined sense of the word, I conclude (not using current scientific method) that God IS and can be known. How can that be? Brace yourselves. Here comes a scripture verse.
The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.

What does that mean? The regeneration by the Holy Spirit effectually changes a person so that they are able to have fellowship with God. Prior to this quickening, a person does not have the capability to know God.

We might ask, "Well, How do I get some of that?" It comes by way of hearing of the gospel. When you hear the gospel, what are you going to do with it? Conclude that those who preach the gospel are nutcases? Every time you hear the gospel, it is God's personal, directed, predestined invitation to you.

Where is my scientific evidence? I have none. The earth was once flat as well.
 

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Does "not harming others", include not ripping a strip off others with one's words, Cliffy?

"Why do you call me good?' Jesus answered. 'No one is good—except God alone." (Mark 10:18 and Luke 18:19 NIV)
Who has been ripping a strip off others? I suppose some of your comments to Dex could be considered ripping a strip.
 

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Does "not harming others", include not ripping a strip off others with one's words, Cliffy?
Yep. Refer to the "don't be a wuss" provision of your handbook.

"Why do you call me good?' Jesus answered. 'No one is good—except God alone." (Mark 10:18 and Luke 18:19 NIV)
"Deserved to die? I imagine he did" said Gandalf. "Many who live deserve to die. And some who die deserve to live."
(FotR)
 

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Regarding a person's capability to do good - Distinguish between civic virtues & theological. Yes, I think society is capable of "doing good". Bake a pie for your neighbor instead of kicking him in the shins.

Regarding Reason - are we defining reason as: a sufficient ground of explanation or of logical defense?
Is it possible we are governed by providence?

Since Christianity (in my opinion), is not a religion in the traditionally defined sense of the word, I conclude (not using current scientific method) that God IS and can be known. How can that be? Brace yourselves. Here comes a scripture verse.
The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.

What does that mean? The regeneration by the Holy Spirit effectually changes a person so that they are able to have fellowship with God. Prior to this quickening, a person does not have the capability to know God.

We might ask, "Well, How do I get some of that?" It comes by way of hearing of the gospel. When you hear the gospel, what are you going to do with it? Conclude that those who preach the gospel are nutcases? Every time you hear the gospel, it is God's personal, directed, predestined invitation to you.

Where is my scientific evidence? I have none. The earth was once flat as well.
We are spirit (pure conscious energy). It is imposible to not be. We are part of the whole (Universe/God/Great Spirit/Whatever. It is imposible to be separate from the whole. You will not find the Whole in a book. You find It by going directly to the Source. A book is not the Source/God/Universe/Great Spirit. All of your remarks are based solely on your belief system and leaves no room for anybody else's. To me, that is removing yourself (metaphysically) from the Whole/Source with a sense of superiority and exclusivity. That, I believe, is frowned upon by those who are concerned with such matters: Jesus/angels/guardians/elementals/whatever. The name you give them, the way you perceive them, does not change what the are. They just are.
 

Motar

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Who has been ripping a strip off others? I suppose some of your comments to Dex could be considered ripping a strip.

"Ad hominem" statements (presumptive labeling, name-calling, accusing, denigrating) could be considered verbal abuse, Cliffy. As Dexter rightly pointed out in a previous post, "words are all we've got ... in a forum like this". Our only opportunity to model goodness in these discussions rests in our words. According to a biblical/Christian worldview, our words reflect our hearts:

"A tree is identified by its fruit. Figs are never gathered from thornbushes, and grapes are not picked from bramble bushes. A good person produces good things from the treasury of a good heart, and an evil person produces evil things from the treasury of an evil heart. What you say flows from what is in your heart." (Luke 6:44-46 NLT)

So, let's be good-hearted and good to one another with our words.
 

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"Ad hominem" statements (presumptive labeling, name-calling, accusing, denigrating) could be considered verbal abuse, Cliffy. As Dexter rightly pointed out in a previous post, "words are all we've got ... in a forum like this". Our only opportunity to model goodness in these discussions rests in our words. According to a biblical/Christian worldview, our words reflect our hearts:

"A tree is identified by its fruit. Figs are never gathered from thornbushes, and grapes are not picked from bramble bushes. A good person produces good things from the treasury of a good heart, and an evil person produces evil things from the treasury of an evil heart. What you say flows from what is in your heart." (Luke 6:44-46 NLT)

So, let's be good-hearted and good to one another with our words.
"You first."
--Curly Bill Brocius, Tombstone
 

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"Ad hominem" statements (presumptive labeling, name-calling, accusing, denigrating) could be considered verbal abuse, Cliffy. As Dexter rightly pointed out in a previous post, "words are all we've got ... in a forum like this". Our only opportunity to model goodness in these discussions rests in our words. According to a biblical/Christian worldview, our words reflect our hearts:

"A tree is identified by its fruit. Figs are never gathered from thornbushes, and grapes are not picked from bramble bushes. A good person produces good things from the treasury of a good heart, and an evil person produces evil things from the treasury of an evil heart. What you say flows from what is in your heart." (Luke 6:44-46 NLT)

So, let's be good-hearted and good to one another with our words.
Then be kind to Dex then. If you have misinterpreted anything I have said as anything other than good natured, then perhaps you should check your method of judging the words of others.
 

Motar

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Then be kind to Dex then. If you have misinterpreted anything I have said as anything other than good natured, then perhaps you should check your method of judging the words of others.

As Dex rightly pointed out in a previous post, others are witnessing our discussion, Cliffy. What you consider my unkind words to Dex may be Christ's kind words to someone else. "If anyone has ears to hear, let them hear.”(Mark 4:23 NIV)