The Crimean referendum?
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is it odd that South Vietnam’s Prime Minister, Ngo Dinh Diem won his 1954 election by the same margin?
Obama Says Putin Must Pull Back on Crimea Annexation
Obama Says Putin Must Pull Back on Crimea Annexation - Bloomberg
obama says :lol:
Obama Says Putin Must Pull Back on Crimea Annexation - Bloomberg
obama says :lol:
I have come to the conclusion Loc has no opinion other than reading from the right wing play book. If he was president he probably sh!t himself........... then blame Obama for it.
Look how far that attitude is getting the US and Canada these days. Crimea is thinking collectively, that is why they want nothing to do with a IMF/NATO run country. You should move onto the Venice issue as they now want to separate from Italy and who can blame them.
Did you get a breakdown of the $5B the US covertly spent in the Ukraine up to the point that Russian Special Forces responded to calls of 'help' from Crimea.
The easy way to spot the Obama trolls is they call it an invasion.
Stupid is as stupid does.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-...lt-may-ask-ukraine-its-20-billion-share-ex-so
This should come as no surprise as we warned of at least $3b in bonds that are due very soon...
the Ukraine owes $3 billion to Russia in bonds that have been issued under UK law. One of the stipulations of the bonds is that if the Ukraine's debt-to-GDP ratio should exceed 60%, the bonds will become immediately callable.
Once the Ukraine gets funding from the IMF, this is of course going to happen right away – its debt-to-GDP ratio will then most definitely exceed 60%, so the first $3 billion of any aid the Ukraine receives in the form of loans will right away flow into Russia's coffers.
Of course there may be litigation first, but as Greek bondholders have found out, all those who held bonds issued under UK law were actually paid in full, while everybody else had to accept the 'PSI' and could basically go pound sand.
Once the Ukraine gets funding from the IMF, this is of course going to happen right away – its debt-to-GDP ratio will then most definitely exceed 60%, so the first $3 billion of any aid the Ukraine receives in the form of loans will right away flow into Russia's coffers.
Of course there may be litigation first, but as Greek bondholders have found out, all those who held bonds issued under UK law were actually paid in full, while everybody else had to accept the 'PSI' and could basically go pound sand.
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I'm not denying the possibility of vote rigging, but judging from the jubilation in the streets over there, it seems quite possible. Remember, they're ethnic russians who still have memories of being one country with Russia. While vote-rigging would be possible, it would have been extremely high risk for Russia. Putin doesn't seem stupid to me. My guess is he had his facts before going in and knew the Crimeans wanted into Russia.
But where do we start with the irony? The elected President of Ukraine is in exile in Russia, a president put in by the popular mobs is now in power in Ukraine, Crimeans have had a referendum to join Russia nd seem really happy about it, Canada, the US and the EU are angry with Russia with all of this. Hugh?
Now yes it's true there were clashes with police and people died, but is maintaining law and order in a country part of the job of government?
I'm not defending what Russia did; indeed it was wrong to invade. But, first off our record is no better, and secondly, while the ends don't justify the means, and he was wrong in what he did, he does seem to be in the right overall, though of course there could be negative repercussions for russia in the future.
Now yes it's true there were clashes with police and people died, but is maintaining law and order in a country part of the job of government?
I'm not defending what Russia did; indeed it was wrong to invade. But, first off our record is no better, and secondly, while the ends don't justify the means, and he was wrong in what he did, he does seem to be in the right overall, though of course there could be negative repercussions for russia in the future.
Very hard to find the black and white in this hence so will the solution be in this case.
I find it quite easy, Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia, Syria, Panama, Sudan, Somalia, Lebanon, Palestine etc. The international community strikes again.
so basically saying ,war, strike, war, intervention strikes, blockade, strike, boots on the ground, strike , and supply bothsides?
Defying Sanctions, Putin Declares Crimea Independent
MOSCOW — President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia signed a decree late Monday night formally recognizing Ukraine’s Crimea region as a “sovereign and independent state,” defying the United States and Europe just hours after they imposed their first financial sanctions since the crisis began and laying the groundwork for possible annexation.
more of their business, not ours
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/18/world/europe/us-imposes-new-sanctions-on-russian-officials.html
MOSCOW — President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia signed a decree late Monday night formally recognizing Ukraine’s Crimea region as a “sovereign and independent state,” defying the United States and Europe just hours after they imposed their first financial sanctions since the crisis began and laying the groundwork for possible annexation.
more of their business, not ours
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/18/world/europe/us-imposes-new-sanctions-on-russian-officials.html
Yes of course working both sides has historically been a money maker. However a great many Russians know how to read history, so the gig is a bit stale to say the least.
Why have we stopped destroying the little countries to save Ukraine?