Russia Prepared To Fight War Over Ukraine, Senior Government Official Admits

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Nope is was about you.
I only have an ego when it comes to the Christian Bible. If I followed the Ukraine before it was 'news' then it wouldn't be news, however if my views were 'tainted' by 'other threads about other places outside our borders then what is happening in the area is not all that 'new' as it fits a pattern that has been used many times in the past. The specifics of shooting people at a peaceful rally is quite popular in the last 5 years, it is the moment the 'plan' enters the 'action' mode.

You miss my point totally again .
You want me to feel as miserable as you do over this, it doesn't hit that close to home for me just as the things that do hit home for me won't be that important to you. I was in a 'good mood' before hitting this thread and when I did there was nothing 'news worthy' going on. Crimea was under Russian control and the rest of the nation was under the control of somebody approved by NATO and the IMF. Do you not find it odd that he would put out a statement saying he would agree to all of the 'demands' before even knowing what the demands are? He should have been thrown into jail just for that alone. What do you and your family want to see happen over there, somebody looking out for your interests or somebody seeing what big biz can collect from the land while the workers are like England when the industrial revolution was just cranking up. The Bosses were very rich and the workers were very poor. That model hasn't changed in the centuries since then.

Russia in Crimea is not something even worth writing home about when you look at what it means on a global scale, nobody is in danger of being harmed and the military that is resisting just wants a government they recognize as being in charge because that is what the 'locals' want. If that happens that way would you respect their choice. That is why my opinion doesn't count very much, that doesn't mean I'm not entitled to have one. It isn't there because I know you would find it offensive.

People who ignore facts and reason cause many problems in the world such as spawn hate , hide the truth think themselves intelligent for what they are writing and maybe you just really do not have the power to think for yourself so you argue from a point of view to get attention to yourself while ignoring the real issue.
People who don't change as the 'players' change are setting themselves up for a fall that doesn't have to happen. When Canada was still independent a few of the most popular programs were comments on news that had a political slant and it was discussed by a few well informed outspoken people, and some who were there because their emotions were charged up

We talk to people in Ukraine and Russia everyday , we hear what is going on first hand from real people and you seem to think it is funny and wrong to do that which makes me wonder what kind of person you are who can watch people die and suffer then try to make yourself look important by arguing total BS from reports you pick over to prove your point.
I talk about a lot of different subjects everyday, here it seems to center on foreign events more than local events. I have my reasons for that.

Having lived there and been there a month ago to get our daughter and grand children out makes this a personal point with me as we knew some of those who died and to sit here and listen to your vile lies is to much just to let you write this dribble without any words.
So why bitch at Putin or Russia, the violence was there because the US was paying people to make sure it went that way. If your family was in danger (where is dad?) it was the West who was causing it rather than it being any Russian speaking person.

So I ask that you refrain from your ego and how you may look to others and write from an informed point of view not one of stupidity and ignorance where you shoot your mouth off without considering the consequences of what you are saying.
You ever going to comment on anything that I post of do you want to become my editor. Wait till I address you directly before you take it personally. (in that any group has it's good guys and it's bad ones. Russia isn't the bad guy in this instance and they weren't the bad guy 3 months ago when the loan and gas deal was implemented. That is when the US sent in the 'destabilization' team, same as they did in Afghanistan when they the CIA was at war inside the country 6 months before the USSR 'invaded'. It turns out that the news was not true so today when 'they' ut out something you check the validity of it before taking it as truth.

Russia is not the ones the Ukraine should be wary of. The history of the West is to break any Treaty they sign anytime they see fit to do so. They are always there to steal something, always. If you break free from them they will hound you like the US has hounded Cubs since 1960 and Iran since 1979 and Venezuela about a decade ago. Why would you set yourself for that sort of treatment? (if you have to fight to be free of it somewhere down the road)

SHOCKER!!!!

The Democrats (Bill Clinton) signed a treaty guaranteeing the territorial integrity of Ukraine, in return for her nuclear disarmanent after the collapse of the USSR..

Bill Clinton Signed Treaty To Protect Ukraine If They Gave Up Arms – They Listened | PatriotsBillboard

Nuclear weapons and Ukraine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
That would be that the West doesn't break it up. If they want to prevent it breaking up because of the votes of some citizens then they better prepare for war.

The lease on the Port is until 2042 Crimea wants to extent it to forever. I don't think anything Billy signed is going to overide the vote of the people on the ground.
 

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I only have an ego when it comes to the Christian Bible. If I followed the Ukraine before it was 'news' then it wouldn't be news, however if my views were 'tainted' by 'other threads about other places outside our borders then what is happening in the area is not all that 'new' as it fits a pattern that has been used many times in the past. The specifics of shooting people at a peaceful rally is quite popular in the last 5 years, it is the moment the 'plan' enters the 'action' mode.


You want me to feel as miserable as you do over this, it doesn't hit that close to home for me just as the things that do hit home for me won't be that important to you. I was in a 'good mood' before hitting this thread and when I did there was nothing 'news worthy' going on. Crimea was under Russian control and the rest of the nation was under the control of somebody approved by NATO and the IMF. Do you not find it odd that he would put out a statement saying he would agree to all of the 'demands' before even knowing what the demands are? He should have been thrown into jail just for that alone. What do you and your family want to see happen over there, somebody looking out for your interests or somebody seeing what big biz can collect from the land while the workers are like England when the industrial revolution was just cranking up. The Bosses were very rich and the workers were very poor. That model hasn't changed in the centuries since then.

Russia in Crimea is not something even worth writing home about when you look at what it means on a global scale, nobody is in danger of being harmed and the military that is resisting just wants a government they recognize as being in charge because that is what the 'locals' want. If that happens that way would you respect their choice. That is why my opinion doesn't count very much, that doesn't mean I'm not entitled to have one. It isn't there because I know you would find it offensive.


People who don't change as the 'players' change are setting themselves up for a fall that doesn't have to happen. When Canada was still independent a few of the most popular programs were comments on news that had a political slant and it was discussed by a few well informed outspoken people, and some who were there because their emotions were charged up


I talk about a lot of different subjects everyday, here it seems to center on foreign events more than local events. I have my reasons for that.


So why bitch at Putin or Russia, the violence was there because the US was paying people to make sure it went that way. If your family was in danger (where is dad?) it was the West who was causing it rather than it being any Russian speaking person.


You ever going to comment on anything that I post of do you want to become my editor. Wait till I address you directly before you take it personally. (in that any group has it's good guys and it's bad ones. Russia isn't the bad guy in this instance and they weren't the bad guy 3 months ago when the loan and gas deal was implemented. That is when the US sent in the 'destabilization' team, same as they did in Afghanistan when they the CIA was at war inside the country 6 months before the USSR 'invaded'. It turns out that the news was not true so today when 'they' ut out something you check the validity of it before taking it as truth.

Russia is not the ones the Ukraine should be wary of. The history of the West is to break any Treaty they sign anytime they see fit to do so. They are always there to steal something, always. If you break free from them they will hound you like the US has hounded Cubs since 1960 and Iran since 1979 and Venezuela about a decade ago. Why would you set yourself for that sort of treatment? (if you have to fight to be free of it somewhere down the road)


That would be that the West doesn't break it up. If they want to prevent it breaking up because of the votes of some citizens then they better prepare for war.

The lease on the Port is until 2042 Crimea wants to extent it to forever. I don't think anything Billy signed is going to overide the vote of the people on the ground.
Here we have it a person who talks about something he has no clue about and why....so he can hear himself talk and feel important.

Yes it is against me and all who value freedom when some moron comes along lies and tries passing it off as the truth and then say I comment on a lot of things which says volumes about your intelligence or what you have that can be called that.

These forums are for discussions on issues which have basis in fact which seem to have escaped you for some time it would seem.
 

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SHOCKER!!!!

The Democrats (Bill Clinton) signed a treaty guaranteeing the territorial integrity of Ukraine, in return for her nuclear disarmanent after the collapse of the USSR..

I bet the Ukraine wishes they had those nukes back now.
 

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Here we have it a person who talks about something he has no clue about and why....so he can hear himself talk and feel important.

Yes it is against me and all who value freedom when some moron comes along lies and tries passing it off as the truth and then say I comment on a lot of things which says volumes about your intelligence or what you have that can be called that.

These forums are for discussions on issues which have basis in fact which seem to have escaped you for some time it would seem.
I know more about the area than I did at the beginning of the thread, your opinion has refused to allow to look at the facts of this incidents and not be moved by things in the past. You can't rightfully blame Russia for what has gone on in any part other than Crimea. Let me know you are clued in to how many refugees there are already. I felt important to myself before I was on the thread. So far your 'defense' is centered around me not having the right to have an opinion in the first place and now that you know what it is it is 'wrong' while you offer no rebuttal to my 'arguments'. That makes you persistent (bullheaded), that doesn't make you right.

Like I pointed out, I get smarter about a subject as the pages slide by, despite spending time with you and ES, talk about a pair of lead weights.

I think your emotions are ruling your opinion, as it should if you are trying to be a spontaneous person. If everytime you hear the word 'Russian' it conjures some sort of negative feeling then you view of the actual event will be judged on emotions caused by something other than the negative one. You claim you love freedom and safety and I show you you some scenes from Crimea that are without barricades and fires and other stuff that was the norm in Kiev. Designed to be just that way by the US, Russia happened to be in the position to offer the whole Nation a better deal. The IMF was not partial to that so they had their thugs 'break some legs'.
So far nothing has disputed what I originally promoted and I know what grounds Russia is on when they say 'the Kremlin' is not ordering the Russian Mercenaries around on the ground.

Most of my time with you is in 'chat mode'. what links I have posted are a small fraction of the ones I have read. Even the firesign vids had some relevance if you took the parts that mentioned the Soviets, Russia, or Moscow it would almost be material you would find on the Daily Show today. I doubt you connected them, not my problem.

Toady the events would point to you better get used to Crimea being part of Russia and that is a pretty big bay she will have control of. Gaza should have a port on the Med, I suppose you would have an issue with that also.

Can I put that one on my dart board?
 

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SHOCKER!!!!

The Democrats (Bill Clinton) signed a treaty guaranteeing the territorial integrity of Ukraine, in return for her nuclear disarmanent after the collapse of the USSR..

Bill Clinton Signed Treaty To Protect Ukraine If They Gave Up Arms – They Listened | PatriotsBillboard

Nuclear weapons and Ukraine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia




I criticized Bush for getting us involved in Middle Eastern politics and I do the same today for Obama. Keep da fukk out of there and let those people settle their own shtt.
 

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(from your link)
Unfortunately, we must admit that in recent days stability in our country has been threatened. And this threat is coming from the Russian government, namely – from you personally. It is your policy of inciting separatism and crude pressure placed on Ukraine that threatens us and all Ukrainian people, including those who live in Crimea and the Ukrainian South-East. South-eastern Ukrainians will soon see that for themselves. (end)

To the tune that many Russian speaking left the Ukraine because they were under threats to their safety. The people in Crimea decided to stay and have Russia come to her aid. When that happened many police and military changed their mind and supported the overturn of the present Govt and Moscow gave them the authority to order around the 'gunmen' who had been given Russian passports so when they stepped down the ones giving orders to the 'troops in green' it was Crimean loyalists telling other Crimeans what to do for the safety of the people of Crimea, rather than just the Russian speaking people.

The unanimous vote to apply to become a part of Russia should have had 40% non-Russians vote as Russian speaking people make up 60% of the population. If Canada can manage to have two official languages as far back as it goes I'm sure in this digital age that would be even less of a problem for the Ukraine.

The Crimean vote is in, I doubt any number of re-votes will not change that. If the 'paperwork' needs a bit of time to do this so it is all 'fair' then if Crimea wants to vote on separation it has to be on the ballot when that same type of vote comes to any region who wants that to be an issue, not only for the places with Russian speaking places but the west also would be voting on being independent ot joining any alliance she wants as long as it is in the form of a referendum vote and not some self appointed cronies starting up their own dictatorship where they are the puppets and the IMF is the boss.

If the missiles are Ukrainian on those bases I'm sure Crimea will give them back, .... in pieces.





Soooo....what good are treaties???
Good at writing them so that in Admiralty Law there are lots of 'loop-holes' that help the 'writers' but hinder the 'client/victim' if things even get to Court.

What good are they, well if you go by the words and what usually happens it pretty much tells 'somebody' what isn't going to happen and reality will be the opposite of what the 'treaty' says. (no reason other than to show who has control)
 

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(from your link)
Unfortunately, we must admit that in recent days stability in our country has been threatened. And this threat is coming from the Russian government, namely – from you personally. It is your policy of inciting separatism and crude pressure placed on Ukraine that threatens us and all Ukrainian people, including those who live in Crimea and the Ukrainian South-East. South-eastern Ukrainians will soon see that for themselves. (end)

To the tune that many Russian speaking left the Ukraine because they were under threats to their safety. The people in Crimea decided to stay and have Russia come to her aid. When that happened many police and military changed their mind and supported the overturn of the present Govt and Moscow gave them the authority to order around the 'gunmen' who had been given Russian passports so when they stepped down the ones giving orders to the 'troops in green' it was Crimean loyalists telling other Crimeans what to do for the safety of the people of Crimea, rather than just the Russian speaking people.

The unanimous vote to apply to become a part of Russia should have had 40% non-Russians vote as Russian speaking people make up 60% of the population. If Canada can manage to have two official languages as far back as it goes I'm sure in this digital age that would be even less of a problem for the Ukraine.

The Crimean vote is in, I doubt any number of re-votes will not change that. If the 'paperwork' needs a bit of time to do this so it is all 'fair' then if Crimea wants to vote on separation it has to be on the ballot when that same type of vote comes to any region who wants that to be an issue, not only for the places with Russian speaking places but the west also would be voting on being independent ot joining any alliance she wants as long as it is in the form of a referendum vote and not some self appointed cronies starting up their own dictatorship where they are the puppets and the IMF is the boss.

If the missiles are Ukrainian on those bases I'm sure Crimea will give them back, .... in pieces.






Good at writing them so that in Admiralty Law there are lots of 'loop-holes' that help the 'writers' but hinder the 'client/victim' if things even get to Court.

What good are they, well if you go by the words and what usually happens it pretty much tells 'somebody' what isn't going to happen and reality will be the opposite of what the 'treaty' says. (no reason other than to show who has control)
MHz where do you get this BS from and even harder to understand is with all that is written and said and on video, how do you come up with such a screwed up view .

You have missed some huge points and before you ask which ones READ

I would have preferred you stayed depressed and not answered here but as has been said this is a free country where you are allowed to tell lies and try to pass them on as the truth which you excel in.
 

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MHz where do you get this BS from and even harder to understand is with all that is written and said and on video, how do you come up with such a screwed up view .

You have missed some huge points and before you ask which ones READ

I would have preferred you stayed depressed and not answered here but as has been said this is a free country where you are allowed to tell lies and try to pass them on as the truth which you excel in.
In MHz's defence, technically delusions aren't lies.
 

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BBC Now Admits: Armed Nazis Led “Revolution” in Kiev, Ukraine By Tony Cartalucci, March 07, 2014


DB ( the second world war was just a bankers wet dream) and www3 will be even wetter


The Ukrainian Pendulum. Two Invasions and a Putsch. American Special Forces in Ukraine under Cover By Israel Shamir, March 07, 2014


2. The Putsch
The economic situation of Ukraine is dreadful. They are where Russia was in the 1990s, before Putin – in Ukraine the Nineties never ended. For years the country was ripped off by the oligarchs who siphoned off profits to Western banks, bringing it to the very edge of the abyss. To avoid default and collapse, the Ukraine was to receive a Russian loan of 15 billion euros without preconditions, but then came the coup. Now the junta’s prime minister will be happy to receive a mere one billion dollars from the US via IMF. (Europeans have promised more, but in a few years’ time…) He already accepted the conditions of the IMF, which will mean austerity, unemployment and debt bondage. Probably this was the raison d’être for the coup. IMF and US loans are a major source of profit for the financial community, and they are used to enslave debtor countries, as Perkins explained at length.
The oligarchs who financed the Maidan operation divided the spoils: the most generous supporter, multi-billionaire Igor “Benya” Kolomoysky, received the great Russian-speaking city of Dnepropetrovsk in fief. He was not required to give up his Israeli passport. His brethren oligarchs took other Russian-speaking industrial cities, including Kharkov and Donetsk, the Ukrainian Chicago or Liverpool. Kolomoysky is not just an ‘oligarch of Jewish origin’: he is an active member of the Jewish community, a supporter of Israel and a donor of many synagogues, one of them the biggest in Europe. He had no problem supporting the neo-Nazis, even those whose entry to the US had been banned because of their declared antisemitism. That is why the appeals to Jewish consciousness against the Brown putsch demonstrably failed.
Now came the nationalists’ crusade against Russian-speakers (ethnic Russians and Russian-speaking Ukrainians – the distinction is moot), chiefly industrial workers of East and South of the country. The Kiev regime banned the Communist Party and the Regions’ Party (the biggest party of the country, mainly supported by the Russian-speaking workers). The regime’s first decree banned the Russian language from schools, radio and TV, and forbade all official use of Russian. The Minister of Culture called Russian-speakers “imbeciles” and proposed to jail them for using the banned tongue in public places. Another decree threatened every holder of dual Russian/Ukrainian nationality with a ten-years jail sentence, unless he gives up the Russian one right away.
Not empty words, these threats: The storm-troopers of the Right Sector, the leading fighting force of the New Order, went around the country terrorising officials, taking over government buildings, beating up citizens, destroying Lenin’s statues, smashing memorials of the Second World War and otherwise enforcing their rule
 

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In MHz's defence, technically delusions aren't lies.
Why do I get the feeling that if I was about to be run over by a bus that you would move me so the tires killed me quickly rather than be being dragged down the street before I died.
The Thank You card is in the mail.
 

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I've heard a couple of prominent academic Russophiles (most notably Stephen Cohen of NYU and Princeton) stating that the Russian response was completely predictable and consonant with Russian history including and prior to the Soviet era. Which is to react to appearances of encirclement with the establishment of military perimeters. Russian in fact has never been an Imperial entity, it is profoundly insular and national in character.

The U.S. and E.U. have used every opportunity that the breakdown of the Soviet Union has provided to move into Russia's sphere with economic ties that re-orient its former republics away from Russia. But more abrasively to Russian sensibilities is to move NATO into it.

This is a Cold War construct specifically intended to contain the USSR, that has now morphed into one aimed at containing a Russo/Sino axis whose economic principles would be in direct contravention of the radical Free Trade, Free Market, Monetarist paradigm that governs the West now. The fact that this is failing in an ever more obvious downward and debilitating spiral has ratcheted up the Western imperative to discredit all potential alternatives.

That's why the approved Western posture now is that the new government of the Ukraine is legitimate.. despite the fact that it was the product of a putsch toppling a legally elected and recognized government. No matter how corrupt it was.. there was no semblance of a legal impeachment which would allow the accused to answer those charges.. and a popularly vetted transfer to replace it. Hence it is now clear that the new government is one, and only one, of a highly politicized faction in the Ukrainian mosaic.

Frankly the way this is going.. it seems probable the Ukraine will split.. not only Crimea, but for all areas East of the Dneiper River which are predominately ethnic Russian, and cutting the Ukraine in two.. especially as new government cements violently anti-Russian bigotry into its commercial, educational and legal structure.
 
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MHz where do you get this BS from and even harder to understand is with all that is written and said and on video, how do you come up with such a screwed up view .

You have missed some huge points and before you ask which ones READ

I would have preferred you stayed depressed and not answered here but as has been said this is a free country where you are allowed to tell lies and try to pass them on as the truth which you excel in.
Follow the links and as much fun as it is listening to your rants is there going to be some links from you or is this what I should expect for the rest of the show?

I shouldn't have to ask and I do read, you don't, like your first line, I said I was happy before I came on this thread, you are the depressed one.

So far you also excel in one thing.

Frankly the way this is going.. it seems probable the Ukraine will split.. not only Crimea, but for all areas East of the Dneiper River which are predominately ethnic Russian, and cutting the Ukraine in two.. especially as new government cements violently anti-Russian bigotry into its commercial, educational and legal structure.
A long border would be impossible to monitor. Russia would be better off offering sanctuary to those who want it and set the sanctuary up in Crimea and in Russia. Leaving the Ukraine in the hands of the IMF will just show that it is a sham and the US can only survive if she can create a big conflict. Breaking up the Ukraine is not in Russia's best interest, at the moment and when the US trips and falls the west part will probably vote along with the east if they want to remain part of the side that has a positive future.