Russia Prepared To Fight War Over Ukraine, Senior Government Official Admits
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Why am I surprised you don't have a fuking answer. Do you think they are going to did up all the lines. The rest of Europe would snap up what the Ukraine does not take. Germany isn't going to level any sanction, nor will GB so there goes all the bite the US is supposed to have. That doesn't mean Russia could really fuk the US over by shorting on the loans to Western banks and shutting off the NG and other energy products.
Even if Russia plays nice and doesn't follow through on that option there is still the issue of Crimea separating and becoming independent from the Ukraine and from Russia and the agreement on the port would make the citizens recipients of a hefty monthly cheque and reduced NG prices. That would give the citizens the ability to enjoy leisure time as running a small nation takes a few people rather than a lot if the system is running correctly. That does not mean being out of a job should make you poor. It is people who have time to pursue hobbies that make the greatest leaps in certain fields. (rather than somebody picking up a check also coming to the brightest conclusions) There are more people per year in the US that are learning how to live without a check than there are in the eastern Ukraine and Crimea, as their 'recovery' included people across a national border and they were considered to be part of the 'family'.
If I had the time (as I would need to develop the skill) 'we' could take a trip down memory lane and see the economy of the Ukraine and Crimea and the UN security members and their respective friends and do it in an animation designed by data in a spreadsheet. That data could come from the CIA Fact book is it has numbers that cover those topics and it's archives would go that far back. Since the numbers might be meaningless to you how about 'we' make it into something like a mix of 'RISK" and 'Monopoly' and the computer can animate that for 'us' and if 'we' want to make changes it is two clicks and it's a done deal. With the detail in todays mapping abilities it can be made as vivid as you want it to be. I certainly haven't done it yet so you are looking at a few years if I'm going to do it and that is if I started a few days ago. I would certainly get more out of it than our current mode of chatting going on the same for that length of time.
Still, keeping you distracted means you can't bother others so one of us is doing the board a favor. Knowing you as I do I noticed you left the first 'insane' post I did an that was about you being a 'whistle blower' that was still in place. That had a little to do with some of the stuff in the other posts but by that you had recovered into your usual parrot hardass. What is rolling around these days will also have a replacement in the next generation. Right now a cluster bomb is an illegal device because it is indiscriminate and the majority can be set not to go off and designed to attract children especially. I'm not sure of the number there is in the biggest one today. Using today's technology I'm pretty sure you could target 64 cell phones and open the container at about 7 miles and all 64 would take out those exact phone in a radias of a few miles and the targeting would be by the towers the victims demanded be in their vicinity, rather than the bomb needing a lot of computer to navigate to target. More like a carrier pigeon to roost or a fish to bait
Or you could do another picture series, sand throughout the world or something equal in length.
Sorry, was there more you wanted to add to that?
Even if Russia plays nice and doesn't follow through on that option there is still the issue of Crimea separating and becoming independent from the Ukraine and from Russia and the agreement on the port would make the citizens recipients of a hefty monthly cheque and reduced NG prices. That would give the citizens the ability to enjoy leisure time as running a small nation takes a few people rather than a lot if the system is running correctly. That does not mean being out of a job should make you poor. It is people who have time to pursue hobbies that make the greatest leaps in certain fields. (rather than somebody picking up a check also coming to the brightest conclusions) There are more people per year in the US that are learning how to live without a check than there are in the eastern Ukraine and Crimea, as their 'recovery' included people across a national border and they were considered to be part of the 'family'.
If I had the time (as I would need to develop the skill) 'we' could take a trip down memory lane and see the economy of the Ukraine and Crimea and the UN security members and their respective friends and do it in an animation designed by data in a spreadsheet. That data could come from the CIA Fact book is it has numbers that cover those topics and it's archives would go that far back. Since the numbers might be meaningless to you how about 'we' make it into something like a mix of 'RISK" and 'Monopoly' and the computer can animate that for 'us' and if 'we' want to make changes it is two clicks and it's a done deal. With the detail in todays mapping abilities it can be made as vivid as you want it to be. I certainly haven't done it yet so you are looking at a few years if I'm going to do it and that is if I started a few days ago. I would certainly get more out of it than our current mode of chatting going on the same for that length of time.
Still, keeping you distracted means you can't bother others so one of us is doing the board a favor. Knowing you as I do I noticed you left the first 'insane' post I did an that was about you being a 'whistle blower' that was still in place. That had a little to do with some of the stuff in the other posts but by that you had recovered into your usual parrot hardass. What is rolling around these days will also have a replacement in the next generation. Right now a cluster bomb is an illegal device because it is indiscriminate and the majority can be set not to go off and designed to attract children especially. I'm not sure of the number there is in the biggest one today. Using today's technology I'm pretty sure you could target 64 cell phones and open the container at about 7 miles and all 64 would take out those exact phone in a radias of a few miles and the targeting would be by the towers the victims demanded be in their vicinity, rather than the bomb needing a lot of computer to navigate to target. More like a carrier pigeon to roost or a fish to bait
Or you could do another picture series, sand throughout the world or something equal in length.
She's pretty hot (and correct) in the vid on Hillary and her sordid history. Where does she go when her eyes are darting all over the place or is that just so she doesn't look straight at the camera lens? If that is the case shooting more from a profile angle will save her from doing that at some party and people start backing up as the benign topic is going on.
Sorry, was there more you wanted to add to that?
What's that creaking noise, the taps closing for the Ukraine and a lot of Europe.
Guess how far down the list the Ukraine is on getting the gas when the rest of Europe is on the hunt also, at above premium prices, deposits into BRIC accounts which is pretty much anything but American. (if that is even still there, the client list of nations is still there) Far end of the pipeline is also a factor that is not unimportant. Come spring unemployment would be at 0% and the new industry would be burying the dead that died during the record cold spring of 2014. That is a lot bigger than a, 'Whoops.' moment. War crime court would be a holiday compared to letting the hoards at the gates have them for a night of games.
How long before the names in the attempted coup is as detailed as this 9/11 film is? Leaky e-mails are so embarrassing.
Oddly enough that one word painted a picture that was even too vivid to finish, ..... not so odd considering the 'source'
Well , well the Putin lover is still at it.
You have no skill MHz and also no common sense which makes you a good Russian.
Again please move there MHz you fit in so well , as here in Canada we do not want you.
Or better go to Ukraine and tell them what you think I am sure you would get all the attention you want so badly.
Done, waiting for a reply, they came here instead, feel free to chirp in little birdie.
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/international-politics/122554-ukraine.html
The sniper killings in the Ukraine
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What are the odds of that making it to the ICC for some war crimes charges? The old PM was caught trying to smuggle out a sniper rifle and that would have been the right sized bullet to frame the Govt.
I'm not suggesting that somebody should send that group the JFK tape but somebody should send that group the JFK tape.
If I say all 4 of your banks are under water would you (rightly) Sherlock the sentence to mean your thinking was (greatly) flawed??
I'm not suggesting that somebody should send that group the JFK tape but somebody should send that group the JFK tape.
How can you criticize my view if it is something you don't understand? What would you do if my view became the more popular one?
If I say all 4 of your banks are under water would you (rightly) Sherlock the sentence to mean your thinking was (greatly) flawed??
FYI This is not a popularity contest , this is about freedom of a people who were under a criminal government which you avoid to mention and also they are tired of Russian intervention over many many years which you also fail to prove or mention except through lies and innuendo.
Read , learn , study , these are the basics of understanding then after you grasp those go there and see it first hand what is actually happening .
Fact there have never been US troops in Ukraine and those cheap youtube video's you post are just that ...cheap.
Fact Russian troops are in Ukraine with many videos and reports from news and people actually there watching this.
Fact Putin lies again and again about there being no Russian troops in Ukraine which you also fail to mention and how quaint to miss such a point .
Fact The Russian economy is very bad , fact Putin lies about how well they are doing and not surprisingly lies about those facts to make himself look as a hero of Russia.
Fact ..you do not read very well as I will not post emails from friends who said they cannot believe what ignorant people like you are writing here in North America so again they are emails not comments but had you read what I wrote you would have seen that but NO you chose to keep writing lies and innuendos about that as it would prove you are right about Russia which you are not.
Be a man and admit your wrong or stop writing and insulting those who are fighting for the freedom of their country who are actually there or have been there which by the way you have NEVER answered.
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Ukraine beat USA 2-0 in the football last night.
The friendly match was played at Andonis Papadopoulos stadium in Larnaca, Cyprus.
This game was originally scheduled to be played in Kharkiv but had been tentatively moved to Cyprus following the political unrest in Ukraine (however, North London giants Tottenham Hotspur were allowed to play Dnipro in Ukraine in the Europa League a couple of weeks ago).
The friendly match was played at Andonis Papadopoulos stadium in Larnaca, Cyprus.
This game was originally scheduled to be played in Kharkiv but had been tentatively moved to Cyprus following the political unrest in Ukraine (however, North London giants Tottenham Hotspur were allowed to play Dnipro in Ukraine in the Europa League a couple of weeks ago).
If there is so little freedom, how do you happen to get e-mails from within closed borders. I suggest there is much exaggeration and disinformation from BOTH perspectives.
Ukraine crisis: What do the flags mean?
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Apart from the well-known Russian, Ukrainian and Soviet flags, several other flags have been seen in the protests in Ukraine. What do they mean, asks Tanvi Misra?
Pro-Russian supporters have been seen sporting the St George's ribbon which symbolises Russian military valour, and has long been used as a ribbon for medals awarded for valour in the Russian and Soviet armies. In 2005, before the 60th anniversary of the Soviet Union victory in World War Two, the ribbon was handed out in the streets. Today Russian Guards use the ribbon on their flag and badge. So it may appeal to those who feel sympathetic towards the Soviet Union or imperial Russia, and those who denounce Ukraine nationalists as "fascists".
A black and red flag, this one raised by pro-Ukraine protesters, belongs to the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA). The members were Ukrainian nationalists who fought against both sides in WW2 for an independent Ukraine - even resorting to collaborating with the German army as a tactical strategy to achieve nationalist goals. Some accuse them of murdering Jews and Poles, so in Russia this flag is regarded as fascist.
The Crimean flag has the same colours as the Russian flag, but it's not clear if they're connected, says Graham Bartram, chief vexillologist at The Flag Institute in the UK. It was chosen in June 1992, a month after the peninsula's first attempt to break away from Ukraine. It was officially adopted by the Crimean government in 1999. Some protesters have been waving this flag to express anti-Ukrainian sentiments.
The Donetsk Republic flag is borrowed from the Donetsk-Krivoy Rog Soviet Republic, founded in 1918 as a breakaway Soviet republic, but only lasting 36 days. The design seems heavily influenced by the Russian flag of the time, but with the top white stripe replaced with black, says Bartram. It expresses separatist sentiments.
The Russian Naval ensign is waved as a symbol of Russian military strength. Flown at the stem of the warship, it's a St Andrew's flag but with reversed colours from the Scottish version. It was instituted in 1699 and apparently designed by the Tsar himself.
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BBC News - Ukraine crisis: What do the flags mean?
Magazine Monitor
A collection of cultural artefacts
BBC News
Apart from the well-known Russian, Ukrainian and Soviet flags, several other flags have been seen in the protests in Ukraine. What do they mean, asks Tanvi Misra?
Pro-Russian supporters have been seen sporting the St George's ribbon which symbolises Russian military valour, and has long been used as a ribbon for medals awarded for valour in the Russian and Soviet armies. In 2005, before the 60th anniversary of the Soviet Union victory in World War Two, the ribbon was handed out in the streets. Today Russian Guards use the ribbon on their flag and badge. So it may appeal to those who feel sympathetic towards the Soviet Union or imperial Russia, and those who denounce Ukraine nationalists as "fascists".
A black and red flag, this one raised by pro-Ukraine protesters, belongs to the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA). The members were Ukrainian nationalists who fought against both sides in WW2 for an independent Ukraine - even resorting to collaborating with the German army as a tactical strategy to achieve nationalist goals. Some accuse them of murdering Jews and Poles, so in Russia this flag is regarded as fascist.
The Crimean flag has the same colours as the Russian flag, but it's not clear if they're connected, says Graham Bartram, chief vexillologist at The Flag Institute in the UK. It was chosen in June 1992, a month after the peninsula's first attempt to break away from Ukraine. It was officially adopted by the Crimean government in 1999. Some protesters have been waving this flag to express anti-Ukrainian sentiments.
The Donetsk Republic flag is borrowed from the Donetsk-Krivoy Rog Soviet Republic, founded in 1918 as a breakaway Soviet republic, but only lasting 36 days. The design seems heavily influenced by the Russian flag of the time, but with the top white stripe replaced with black, says Bartram. It expresses separatist sentiments.
The Russian Naval ensign is waved as a symbol of Russian military strength. Flown at the stem of the warship, it's a St Andrew's flag but with reversed colours from the Scottish version. It was instituted in 1699 and apparently designed by the Tsar himself.
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BBC News - Ukraine crisis: What do the flags mean?
Now that is misinformation and misleading but nice try . Next time use facts I hear it is more reliable than telling tales.
I see... Agenda. Take your war HOME
It was a civil question followed by an observation. You chose belligerence.
Russia is only in Crimea and there are no demonstrations demanding any changes. They are Ukrainian so they would protest if they didn't like the current situation, right?
So you are telling me that Russia and Crimea were like Israel and Gaza from 1967-1987? How much of the USSR troubles were from the cold war and the amount of money that was spent on a useless arms race. Russia lost that when they had to pull out of Afghanistan and the financial collapse that followed not long after. The natural resources were still there and, like Canada, it provides a tidy income from exports. Even when not flowing it rises in value as the price is always going to rise with the passage of time.
We are chatting (using a loose definition of the term) I'm learning a lot about you and if your view is typical I can see why Russian speaking people would want to separate based on that issue alone. Being sold out to the Central Banks is a much larger crime and some bankers and politicians should be headed for court.
Johnny on the spot though. I admit the quality is not the best but a few photoshop macros would add stabilization of the picture so all the jerking around can be minimized. In theory a jerky 320 x 200 could end up being a full 640 x 480 and not lose any detail. Picture enhancement programs such as Perfect Picture use fractual algorithms to allow digital zooms that are quite accurate for artistic purposes. The vid of the getting shot in the back is one that could use a few of those enhancements and the cameras of today can be very small and the quality is a lot higher than 640, more like 1080 and that would be clear enough for any court. Video statements could also mean killing a witness after one is made only allows that in so there is no real gain. Bribing them with a lot of money is still legal. lol.
In this day and age it is best to archive all the media releases you can but it will still be the citizens on patrol that will have the best footage. Judging by what is promoted by some media only means you are getting the view that somebody is pushing as being factual. The media is on the record as saying they are under no obligation to publish the truth. (they should allow access to all the footage they collect rather than what they decide to publish as the 'important headlines'. Now if the ICC was hearing the issue what is 'published' there is inspected a little more closely, actually a lot more closely. Youtube doesn't make your sign that what you are promoting is the truth, the ICC would demand that. Nobody is going to argue against video that is accurate, like where the shots came from and who released the vid. There should also be a sound difference such as when the bullet hits the tree and the sound is recorded and the two variables should tell you where the shots came from. Get enough oddball video and you might be able to determine who the shooters were. For instance there is a youtube vid of snipers that are said to be Government troops and looking at it closely you can tell it is not 'regular army' and if what was accidentally filmed out the window could be used to show a location that is a 'suspected location' and the sound of the shots could be matched to the timing of the shots the snipers were letting go.
Would that sort of stuff replace the need to be there and film it all myself?
Actuall I did mention it and it should be in this thread. Putin is claiming that the troops are not taking orders from the Kremlin. Look at them as being 'hired gunmen who look and act like Russian Special Forces. As people in the Crimean Military deserted their posts they swore an oath to the new Crimean Government to protect the land and it would be people like the Captain that 'switched' could be the one talking to the ones who would rather serve the old government. A vote on independence would mean they would either have to support that move or quit the military and be escorted off Crimean soil.
At this rate Putin will get lots of 'orders' to have Russians sent in some 'private security' when trouble between the bosses and the workers breaks out. Once the 'equipment' is in place the people living in the area sign up and are given a handbook (constitution) that follows UN Human Rights suggestions and that's about all that has happened so far in this living example. How is the north doing?
I'm surprised you haven't claimed Putin is Satan himself rather than just knowing what doesn't work in the long-run.
It is true that it is not all that good, trade with others is the way he is trying to change that. His military goals are realized and they are defensive in nature rather than conquest orientated. The land already had all the riches they need, getting it to market is how you get a good living standard without being a nation that finds it's riches in lands other than their own.
Are you suggesting he has broadcasts for the locals and another for foreigners?
It was just revealed that in the last 3 months 675,000 Russian speaking Ukrainians have moved to Russia because they feared for their safety?
How many times has the West broadcast that fact?
How would you like to comment on that aspect of actual events?
You can post what you said in the e-mail and delete all the 'sensitive' material that isn't relevant to what a gossip you are.
I am a man, that is why I answered you questions some time ago. It was the post that has no, no, on two lines at the very top of my post. Perhaps that reading comprehension comment is more about yourself than it is about a quality of mine.
#428Re: Russia Prepared To Fight War Over Ukraine, Senior Government Official Admits
1 day ago Quote: Originally Posted by tworivers
MHz
We just came back from Kyiv can you say the same about being in either Russia or Ukraine.
Have you ever left Canada or have you ever actually talked to people that live there in Russia or Ukraine ?
Again please go to Russia then write us about how happy you are and how bad we have it here in Canada.
No.We just came back from Kyiv can you say the same about being in either Russia or Ukraine.
Have you ever left Canada or have you ever actually talked to people that live there in Russia or Ukraine ?
Again please go to Russia then write us about how happy you are and how bad we have it here in Canada.
No.
4 March 2014
Ed West
The Spectator
You won't see many coffins draped with the EU flag. Image: Getty
Whatever Russia does in the Ukraine, we know that Britain isn’t going to do much more than say ‘dear, dear’, something that was accidentally revealed when a British official was photographed bringing a document to Downing St stating as much.
We’re not going to help for a number of reasons, one of which is that Ukraine is incredibly complicated and historically and psychologically is sort of a part of Russia, or at least the eastern half is. As for the Crimea, Russia certainly has as much right to that province as the Albanians have to Kosovo.
Russia is a great power with legitimate claims to that region, and unlike Iraq, they really do have weapons of mass destruction. So pourquoi mourir pour Donetsk?
The US could possibly bluff the Russians into submission, but why would they, with such huge risks? What would it prove? The idea that allowing the Russians to hold onto the Crimea suggests some huge decline in American power is strange, considering that a quarter of a century ago the United States’ power reached as far as Bavaria, and it now surrounds Russia on almost all sides.
I’m not sure the European Union can have such an excuse, and if any good comes of this I hope it is that people start to consider what Europe means. Ukraine is a European country whose people, at least its western half, wish to be part of the European Union, and whose territory is now occupied by another state. If the EU can’t do anything about that, then what is the point of the EU?
It can’t, and the reason is this – there isn’t one man on earth who would be prepared to lay down his life for the European Union. Not one. It’s a nation for people who don’t like nations. In contrast I bet a lot of Russians would die for Russia; despite the oppression they invariably suffer at the hands of every one of their rulers, they love their country.
The EU is a post-national, universalist dream based on an idea of indiscriminate altruism. A great idea, so long as everyone else on earth practises it, but unfortunately in the real world no one else does. Not Russia, not China, not the states of the Middle East. And soft power only works so long as it is backed up by an army and an economy to fund it, something that the Europeans (with the exception of the British and probably the French), cosseted for two generations by American military protection, have forgotten.
The irony is that lots of people love Europe, but it is a Europe that the Commission finds repulsive; the real Europe, that of Greece, Rome and, most of all, Christendom, not a post-national world without borders but one that has always identified itself by its separation from the lands of Islam and to a lesser extent the Asiatic empire of Moscow.
But that would sound too much like exclusive patriotism, the very thing that the European project was supposed to replace, and by doing so ending war on the continent. Brussels, as the saying goes, you had one job.
How many people would lay down their lives for the European Union? » Spectator Blogs
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Nope is was about you.Russia is only in Crimea and there are no demonstrations demanding any changes. They are Ukrainian so they would protest if they didn't like the current situation, right?
So you are telling me that Russia and Crimea were like Israel and Gaza from 1967-1987? How much of the USSR troubles were from the cold war and the amount of money that was spent on a useless arms race. Russia lost that when they had to pull out of Afghanistan and the financial collapse that followed not long after. The natural resources were still there and, like Canada, it provides a tidy income from exports. Even when not flowing it rises in value as the price is always going to rise with the passage of time.
We are chatting (using a loose definition of the term) I'm learning a lot about you and if your view is typical I can see why Russian speaking people would want to separate based on that issue alone. Being sold out to the Central Banks is a much larger crime and some bankers and politicians should be headed for court.
Johnny on the spot though. I admit the quality is not the best but a few photoshop macros would add stabilization of the picture so all the jerking around can be minimized. In theory a jerky 320 x 200 could end up being a full 640 x 480 and not lose any detail. Picture enhancement programs such as Perfect Picture use fractual algorithms to allow digital zooms that are quite accurate for artistic purposes. The vid of the getting shot in the back is one that could use a few of those enhancements and the cameras of today can be very small and the quality is a lot higher than 640, more like 1080 and that would be clear enough for any court. Video statements could also mean killing a witness after one is made only allows that in so there is no real gain. Bribing them with a lot of money is still legal. lol.
In this day and age it is best to archive all the media releases you can but it will still be the citizens on patrol that will have the best footage. Judging by what is promoted by some media only means you are getting the view that somebody is pushing as being factual. The media is on the record as saying they are under no obligation to publish the truth. (they should allow access to all the footage they collect rather than what they decide to publish as the 'important headlines'. Now if the ICC was hearing the issue what is 'published' there is inspected a little more closely, actually a lot more closely. Youtube doesn't make your sign that what you are promoting is the truth, the ICC would demand that. Nobody is going to argue against video that is accurate, like where the shots came from and who released the vid. There should also be a sound difference such as when the bullet hits the tree and the sound is recorded and the two variables should tell you where the shots came from. Get enough oddball video and you might be able to determine who the shooters were. For instance there is a youtube vid of snipers that are said to be Government troops and looking at it closely you can tell it is not 'regular army' and if what was accidentally filmed out the window could be used to show a location that is a 'suspected location' and the sound of the shots could be matched to the timing of the shots the snipers were letting go.
Would that sort of stuff replace the need to be there and film it all myself?
Actuall I did mention it and it should be in this thread. Putin is claiming that the troops are not taking orders from the Kremlin. Look at them as being 'hired gunmen who look and act like Russian Special Forces. As people in the Crimean Military deserted their posts they swore an oath to the new Crimean Government to protect the land and it would be people like the Captain that 'switched' could be the one talking to the ones who would rather serve the old government. A vote on independence would mean they would either have to support that move or quit the military and be escorted off Crimean soil.
At this rate Putin will get lots of 'orders' to have Russians sent in some 'private security' when trouble between the bosses and the workers breaks out. Once the 'equipment' is in place the people living in the area sign up and are given a handbook (constitution) that follows UN Human Rights suggestions and that's about all that has happened so far in this living example. How is the north doing?
I'm surprised you haven't claimed Putin is Satan himself rather than just knowing what doesn't work in the long-run.
It is true that it is not all that good, trade with others is the way he is trying to change that. His military goals are realized and they are defensive in nature rather than conquest orientated. The land already had all the riches they need, getting it to market is how you get a good living standard without being a nation that finds it's riches in lands other than their own.
Are you suggesting he has broadcasts for the locals and another for foreigners?
It was just revealed that in the last 3 months 675,000 Russian speaking Ukrainians have moved to Russia because they feared for their safety?
How many times has the West broadcast that fact?
How would you like to comment on that aspect of actual events?
You can post what you said in the e-mail and delete all the 'sensitive' material that isn't relevant to what a gossip you are.
I am a man, that is why I answered you questions some time ago. It was the post that has no, no, on two lines at the very top of my post. Perhaps that reading comprehension comment is more about yourself than it is about a quality of mine.
#428Re: Russia Prepared To Fight War Over Ukraine, Senior Government Official Admits
1 day ago Quote: Originally Posted by tworiversMHzNo.
We just came back from Kyiv can you say the same about being in either Russia or Ukraine.
Have you ever left Canada or have you ever actually talked to people that live there in Russia or Ukraine ?
Again please go to Russia then write us about how happy you are and how bad we have it here in Canada.
No.
You miss my point totally again . People who ignore facts and reason cause many problems in the world such as spawn hate , hide the truth think themselves intelligent for what they are writing and maybe you just really do not have the power to think for yourself so you argue from a point of view to get attention to yourself while ignoring the real issue.
We talk to people in Ukraine and Russia everyday , we hear what is going on first hand from real people and you seem to think it is funny and wrong to do that which makes me wonder what kind of person you are who can watch people die and suffer then try to make yourself look important by arguing total BS from reports you pick over to prove your point. Having lived there and been there a month ago to get our daughter and grand children out makes this a personal point with me as we knew some of those who died and to sit here and listen to your vile lies is to much just to let you write this dribble without any words.
So I ask that you refrain from your ego and how you may look to others and write from an informed point of view not one of stupidity and ignorance where you shoot your mouth off without considering the consequences of what you are saying.
SHOCKER!!!!
The Democrats (Bill Clinton) signed a treaty guaranteeing the territorial integrity of Ukraine, in return for her nuclear disarmanent after the collapse of the USSR..
Bill Clinton Signed Treaty To Protect Ukraine If They Gave Up Arms – They Listened | PatriotsBillboard
Nuclear weapons and Ukraine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Democrats (Bill Clinton) signed a treaty guaranteeing the territorial integrity of Ukraine, in return for her nuclear disarmanent after the collapse of the USSR..
Bill Clinton Signed Treaty To Protect Ukraine If They Gave Up Arms – They Listened | PatriotsBillboard
Nuclear weapons and Ukraine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia