What are you debating in, digital reasoning? Christianity is a religious movement. Jesus was a person who some think is god. No matter how we look at it, something is afoul with your reasoning.
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No, the "misunderstanding" is on your part. Christ is not "Christianity". All the Bible versus you have posted are between the Jewish hierarchy and Christ. All you are proving, which most already know, is that the Jews had screwed up God's message big time. Kind of like what has happened with Christ's message.
Analogical reasoning, Cliffy.
Here is an example: a:b::c:d or Christianity:Christ::religion:religious meaning Christianity is related to Christ as religion is related to a religious person.
Personification is a literary device ascribing person-like qualities to a non-person.
Here is an example: Christianity publicly denounces religion.
Jesus denouncing the Pharisees is not the same thing as Christianity denouncing religion, no matter how you try to justify your reasoning. A person denounced the self righteous, not the religion. It is like a protestant denouncing the pope or the hierarchy of the church. It says nothing of the faithful followers of the religion. But you keep grasping at straws to justify your self righteousness.
Are you Bible literalists, Gerry and Cliffy? Do you acknowledge any symbolic language in the Scriptures (eg. metaphor)? Do you recognize the Spirit's influence in biblical understanding?
I am far from a literalist, however, are you saying that these discussions between Christ and the Jewish religious leaders didn't happen the way they are described? Are you saying that Christ never had these head butting matches with the leaders?
As I have said before, Jesus was against religion, he was a Jew, not a Christian, and yes, to me, the bible is all about metaphor and allegory. I fail to see how this has anything to do with your assertion the Christianity is against religion and it is a religion. Some pretend it is more of a spiritual path, but if they join with others of like mind in meeting halls and temples, they are just deluding themselves that they are not religious. Perhaps, like Megahurts, you are going this alone and think you have found a flaw in normal interpretations of the religions based on the bible. Perhaps you think you were inspired to come up with your line of thinking. And perhaps, you are just farting in the wind. I have not been able to figure out your angle.
Please re-read all of my posts from the beginning of this thread, Gerry and Cliffy.
How do you know it wasn't the controlers that taught you that. Perfection is reached by seeing an example and then being able to do the same. In real terms the qualities mentioned would have trees and rocks obey your voice if you are shown how to do that then you will be able to do it also. That is how 'landscaping will take place as mankind spreads out into the new earth. The end goal is more pastures for the ones that man will have dominion over. Their 'guides' are already in a perfected state so any 'advice will be good advice'.
Joh:5:19:
Then answered Jesus and said unto them,
Verily,
verily,
I say unto you,
The Son can do nothing of himself,
but what he seeth the Father do:
for what things soever he doeth,
these also doeth the Son likewise.
The last MB hit I listened to was 'Had to fall in love.' and I could turn it into a hymn based on that but the reason I still listen to it after the lyrics are understood comes from the music that goes with it. While that song has the churchy sounding style and the guitars are windy types over electric (as in War of the Worlds) but the part I listen to is the softly blown harmonic for that very reason. There are a few spots where it is almost solo but there are other times it is almost not even heard. Bringing that part to the front although a better class of source and mixer would be needed.
For what you get out of it is something that would come your way even if you were a stranger to music and the relaxing part of music should not be totally ignored. lol
Since you are connecting to a band almost 45 years from the past means it is a chance event rather than something you and they could intentionally set into motion.
Christianity is a game of connect the dots. 3500 random verses that tell a single story if you can pick and choose which part is the 'right part'. Close means you shouldn't even play. That is based on the size of the number of words in said book. Exact is relative, if I was to ask you to define what God has to say about 'grace' you should type that into your NT search bar and the 'hits' all contain one verse from a passage. If you read those 24 verses you should have some idea about what it is and how it works. In the next phase you read the passage the verse comes from and apply any needed changes. That would include a 'God forbid' when the question of more sin brings more grace question. You are now an expert on the term 'grace' and while you don't have to memorize the verse you should at least review it to make sure it says what you used to think it said. That is a problem with spiritual growth (or any growth) until you are an expert you have to do a review every now and then. A harmonica in my world would bring a set or unique memories that I would find pleasant to remember. I even do some math to deal with 'supposed experts', if I have a 1/2 hour with them I listen to something relaxing for 45 minutes before the meeting.
I think I'll dust off the song you posted the lyrics for and see if anything else in the piece is part of why it is in the collection to begin with.
A song that mentions heaven is not as detailed as the book about heaven. Think of the post of lyrics as being one page from the Bible and you read the required number (as many times as it takes) you would know all that God had had to say on those subjects.
To understand what musicians think I would have to hear every song ever produced, I don't see that happening really.
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Sorry Mhz, I find your thought processes and reasoning to be as strange as Motar's. You may as well be trying to communicate in Martian.
That would be with a Martain.
" it is so far beyond our comprehension that to dwell on it is a waste of time."
How many hours a week do you spend on threads about religion and spirituality? To end up with something you can't even put into any words. That shows a lack of understanding rather than an overabundance.
Is resurrection from the grave a literal event for all your family or are you the way their legacy carries on? (meaning God is alive only as long as Jews are in control of all the things God takes care of rather than God not doing anything for any group at the moment)
You sound like a hollow shell if the above confuses you.
" it is so far beyond our comprehension that to dwell on it is a waste of time."
How many hours a week do you spend on threads about religion and spirituality? To end up with something you can't even put into any words. That shows a lack of understanding rather than an overabundance.
The flaw that ends your ability to understand is right in this post. Normal understanding is something you think you possess or the ones you take to be experts have that quality and it is not in error. It also means a 'normal person' would be able to say something intelligent about a topic after taking in some of it. Da:7 and Re:17 are two places that have a vision that has all the things you mention and then it comes with an explanation. Does the explanation point to literal events? (pick one or both but no answer will be taken as yes they both point to a literal set of events)
Is resurrection from the grave a literal event for all your family or are you the way their legacy carries on? (meaning God is alive only as long as Jews are in control of all the things God takes care of rather than God not doing anything for any group at the moment)
You sound like a hollow shell if the above confuses you.
There are thousands of bloody Muslimes marching past down the street outside waving flags and banners right now. This march has caused inconvenience to locals because all the roads that they are marching down have had to be closed. Yet British Legion marches aren't allowed. I wish I had a machine gun ready. They're a vile lot.
Let me try to be clearer. I cannot follow your thought processes or reasoning. They are foreign to mine. I cannot understand most of what you post (excluding the biblical passages) or your interpretation of those biblical texts. I'm sure you understand yourself but I don't and what I do understand is of no use to me. I wasn't trying to insult your thought processes, I just can't follow the logic and your obsession with the bible makes no sense to me in light of what I know about it.
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"Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will." (Romans 12:2 NIV)
Cliffy, both you and Gerry overlooked this rhetorical question in a previous post of mine: "Do you recognize the Spirit's influence in biblical understanding?" Without the internal, eternal renovation that comes to us in Christ, we regard the Bible like any other book and fail to grasp its import and meaning. The Spirit is essential to our understanding:
"But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you." (John 14:26 NIV)
Genuine Christians the world over and across history acknowledge a "renewing of their minds" at their "transformation" in Christ. If you read any of my writing from BC (before Christ) and compare it with my writing AD (since new life in Christ), you will note a decidedly different outlook, tone and content. The BC poetry was gritty, angry, fearful and corporal, while the AD poetry is hopeful and spiritual. I would be glad to send you a sample if you are interested.
"Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit." (John 3:6 NIV)
If you've ever wondered how it is that I find relevant Scripture to post on this site so quickly, it is due to the teaching and reminding of the Spirit, regular Bible study and a good online Bible search tool : )