Didn't you say I was like the 'other atheists'? They aren't part of the Re:20:4 group.
Christianity and Religion
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M't:25:41-46:
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand,
Depart from me,
ye cursed,
into everlasting fire,
prepared for the devil and his angels:
For I was an hungred,
and ye gave me no meat:
I was thirsty,
and ye gave me no drink:
I was a stranger,
and ye took me not in:
naked,
and ye clothed me not:
sick,
and in prison,
and ye visited me not.
Then shall they also answer him,
saying,
Lord,
when saw we thee an hungred,
or athirst,
or a stranger,
or naked,
or sick,
or in prison,
and did not minister unto thee?
Then shall he answer them,
saying,
Verily I say unto you,
Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these,
ye did it not to me.
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment:
but the righteous into life eternal.
Re:19:21:
And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse,
which sword proceeded out of his mouth:
and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
Isa:65:12-15:
Therefore will I number you to the sword,
and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter:
because when I called,
ye did not answer;
when I spake,
ye did not hear;
but did evil before mine eyes,
and did choose that wherein I delighted not.
Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD,
Behold,
my servants shall eat,
but ye shall be hungry:
behold,
my servants shall drink,
but ye shall be thirsty:
behold,
my servants shall rejoice,
but ye shall be ashamed:
Behold,
my servants shall sing for joy of heart,
but ye shall cry for sorrow of heart,
and shall howl for vexation of spirit.
And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen:
for the Lord GOD shall slay thee,
and call his servants by another name:
You trying to be the most insane here? Give me your best answer and I might take you as being capable of holding a serious conversation.
Motar! Help pull us out of the death spiral of insanity here!
Religion:
“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery." (Matthew 5:27 NIV)
Christianity:
"But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart." (Matthew 5:28 NIV)
At the risk of sounding redundant, cj, religion involves externals (adulterous conduct), while Christianity impacts the inner, spiritual condition (lust).
Hmm.. In regards to Hell, Jesus said:
But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, ‘Raca,’ is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.
But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, ‘Raca,’ is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.
Right you are, the new earth even includes the mentioned sparrows.
Lu:12:6-7:
Are not five sparrows sold for two farthings,
and not one of them is forgotten before God?
But even the very hairs of your head are all numbered.
Fear not therefore:
ye are of more value than many sparrows.
I like redundancy. I have a thick skull.
Yes, it is indeed our heart that is a maggot infested vile contraption. The only cure is the atoning work of Christ.
That has to do with judging a person as being alive in the new earthy rather than being in the lake of fire, it has nothing to do with being being about which group they will belong to. I'll let you guess which group the ones in the verse below is referencing.
1Co:5:11-13:
But now I have written unto you not to keep company,
if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator,
or covetous,
or an idolater,
or a railer,
or a drunkard,
or an extortioner;
with such an one no not to eat.
For what have I to do to judge them also that are without?
do not ye judge them that are within?
But them that are without God judgeth.
Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
Mhz: you have managed to once again put scripture verse into a mix master. Context is needed within the books, chapters and verse.
“I tell you, my friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body and after that can do no more. 5 But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after your body has been killed, has authority to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him. 6 Are not five sparrows sold for two pennies? Yet not one of them is forgotten by God. 7 Indeed, the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Don’t be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows.
My head just popped off and is rolling about on floor.
Are you not a sinner too? All have sinned and have fallen astray.
“There is no one righteous, not even one;
11 there is no one who understands;
there is no one who seeks God.
12 All have turned away,
they have together become worthless;
there is no one who does good,
not even one.”
Why would any thinking person accept a doctrine that tells you that about yourself? That's at the root of why I am not a Christian.
The Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims, Jaines, Shintos and aboriginal peoples everywhere: How do they fit into your discussion? You are a Christian because you were born here. If you were born in Iran, you would be a Muslim. If you were born in India you would probably be a Hindu. You guys are so self absorbed that you have lost all perspective. The Bible is not the only holy book. It is not the end all and be all of sign posts pointing the way home.
Your quote below does't seem to allow the Great White Throne to be the escape from hell yet the ones in that latter half of Isaiah 65 are the ones that were killed by the sword and then experienced the punishment that is just as hell is described as being.
1Co:15:39:
All flesh is not the same flesh:
but there is one kind of flesh of men,
another flesh of beasts,
another of fishes,
and another of birds.
Lu:3:6:
And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.
Isa:65:25:
The wolf and the lamb shall feed together,
and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock:
and dust shall be the serpent's meat.
They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain,
saith the LORD.
Can you show me that the ones mentioned aren't the very same ones that Adam named in the garden?
The 7 letters to the Churches in Revelation cvver all Gentiles that have ever heard the word 'God' so it doesn't matter what concept we can dream up, those are the relationships that He will use to decide who is alive for the 1,000 years and who had to wait for the Great White Throne.
You did the same thing again, it should me 'my heart' instead of 'we all ...'. The Holy Spirit was withe every Scribe that wrote any Scripture yet you place little emphases on the exact wording in all of the Bible.
Dexter, I get that. It is not the best opening line to have to suggest to a person that they are sinful. Doesn't do alot for one's self esteem. And certainly I may have been a little too descriptive in defining the state of the human heart. Christianity doesn't stop at being convicted of one's sin. God loves us but I do not equate that with God being ok with our sin. Beyond that the Christian life is a renewing of the mind by the Holy Spirit.
I am still looking around for my head that rolled off an hour or so ago.
Cliffy, salvation isn't defined by geography. The Holy Spirit can find anyone, anywhere, anytime. Go preach to all nations about the Salvation that comes by faith in Jesus Christ. How will they believe if they do not hear the GOOD NEWS?
Religion:
“It has been said, ‘Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce." (Matthew 5:31 NIV)
Christianity:
"But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery." (Matthew 5:32 NIV)
Was Jesus Christ religious? No.
Is Christianity (a) religion? No.
I don't think so, they are both Christian, one believes it's all via the biblical word the other holy spirit lead. You and I on the other hand... :lol:...hopeless....
I worry abour MHz's and Dexter's immortal souls.
Cj44, you say there is a hell and appeal to Scripture. Gerry, you say there cannot be a hell, because that contradicts the nature of god (all loving, etc.)
Both of you seem to say "salvation" is through a belief in Jesus as a god.
Dexter doesn't believe in gods.
MHz maintains as a strict monotheist (Jew, Muslim, a Seeker, etc.) that believing in the man Jesus as God is heresy (blasphemy, etc.)
So, cj44 and Gerry, are Dexter and MHz going to be saved? Going to heaven (Elysian Fields, etc.)
Gerry and cj44 differ. Which one is the Christian?
I don't think so, they are both Christian, one believes it's all via the biblical word the other holy spirit lead. You and I on the other hand... :lol:...hopeless....
I think you will end up in West Virginia - almost heaven.
No man or woman can know the heart of another. We are not to judge. It is not our calling to determine who and will not be saved.
If we have forgotten the name of our God, or stretched out our hands to a strange god;
Shall not God search this out? for he knoweth the secrets of the heart.