Rob Ford Doesn't Care About Toronto People

[BornRuff]

Ah, so if they say it's unnecessary to declare it, it's only because they're working around him, not because they are rational city managers, etc. Gotcha. lol.

Why are you implying that working around Ford and being rational are opposites?

And lol. When they didn't agree with you, the city managers were free spending, bad at their job, etc etc. Now all of a sudden your view has changed?

Situations change over time. They did not have the commitment from the province that they do now when Ford made this choice, and the weather looked like it would turn even worse. At that point staff urged him to declare an emergency so that they could ensure access to as many resources as possible.

He refused so people had to work around him to find other ways to get additional resources. Ford sure as hell wasn't involved in securing special resources from the province. He isn't even talking to the province or the deputy mayor.

The fact that other people were able to find ways around him and the weather was a bit better than expected is not a credit to his decision.

 

[karrie]

Why are you implying that working around Ford and being rational are opposites?

And lol. When they didn't agree with you, the city managers were free spending, bad at their job, etc etc. Now all of a sudden your view has changed?

Situations change over time. They did not have the commitment from the province that they do now when Ford made this choice, and the weather looked like it would turn even worse. At that point staff urged him to declare an emergency so that they could ensure access to as many resources as possible.

He refused so people had to work around him to find other ways to get additional resources. Ford sure as hell wasn't involved in securing special resources from the province. He isn't even talking to the province or the deputy mayor.

The fact that other people were able to find ways around him and the weather was a bit better than expected is not a credit to his decision.

Funny but pretty much all the news I've read says 'councilors', not staff, urged him. People who are his political opponents. Like I said..... it looks hinky, it was bad planning on their part.


Now, when the actual managers are speaking, it really doesn't seem like it is, was, or ever will be, as necessary to call a state of emergency, as a bunch of vocal opponents of Ford's claimed it was.




Anyway, Christmas is near, and I've got better things to worry about come morning, so I will wish you all a good night, and a Merry Christmas. I'm off to bed. Night all!

 

[JLM]

I'm not familiar with any of the details other than what I get from the news BUT I'll make two general statements............1. "Self Promotion" is an innate quality in EVERY politician. 2. With all the sh*t Ford has been through (some of it self inflicted) in the past year, it doesn't matter what he does now there are those that will condemn it. I see him as a man with a problem.

 

[BornRuff]

Funny but pretty much all the news I've read says 'councilors', not staff, urged him. People who are his political opponents. Like I said..... it looks hinky, it was bad planning on their part.

Now, when the actual managers are speaking, it really doesn't seem like it is, was, or ever will be, as necessary to call a state of emergency, as a bunch of vocal opponents of Ford's claimed it was.

Anyway, Christmas is near, and I've got better things to worry about come morning, so I will wish you all a good night, and a Merry Christmas. I'm off to bed. Night all!

What the councilors are saying is a different issue.

This is what John Livey said on Sunday.

"By the time night fell Sunday, there was mounting pressure on Ford to make the declaration.

“We are getting ready to ask the mayor to declare this an emergency largely because it will assist the staff at the province to make resources available to us — crews, generators, facilities for warming centres,” said Deputy City Manager John Livey.

Mayor Ford declined."

It was confirmed by him later that both him and Joe Pennachetti approached the mayor asking him to declare a state of emergency.

So again, I am talking about this decision. Since then things have changed a bit as staff found ways to work around Ford to get some of the resources that were required, and the weather was a bit nicer than expected. That doesn't change what Ford was presented with and what he chose to do.

 

[Goober]

Toronto council split over state of emergency - The Globe and Mail

Toronto city councillors are divided over whether Mayor Rob Ford should have called a state of emergency in the wake of downed power lines, freezing temperatures and hundreds of thousands of people without hydro in their homes as a result of Sunday’s ice storm.

While councillors such as Josh Colle and Mike Del Grande publicly questioned the decision not to call a state of emergency, public works chair Denzil Minnan-Wong stood behind Mr. Ford at two news conferences Monday.

Mr. Minnan-Wong, who has been among the critics of Mr. Ford’s ability to lead after the mayor’s admission of past drug and alcohol use, said that public servants at the city’s Emergency Operations Centre advised against declaring an emergency.

“My understanding is that the electrical problem is a region-wide challenge and so any surplus resources, whether you declare an emergency or not, are already engaged,” said Mr. Minnan-Wong, who is seen as a possible contender for mayor in the next election.

“The advice I’ve received is declaring an emergency will not make the lights go on any faster,” he said.

 

[petros]

Toronto manager says 'not currently necessary' to declare state of emergency | CTV Toronto News


It's an unnecessary declaration according to the city manager, and fully within the capability of the province to declare it an emergency whether Ford likes it or not. But they haven't deemed it necessary.

Who would have figured?

I have some advice for power companies in ON........Underground lines.

 

[BornRuff]

I have some advice for power companies in ON........Underground lines.

Especially in these areas with so many big trees. Every time we have any type of storm things come crashing down in my neighborhood.

Probably a massive investment to bury all the old lines through.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

The deputy city manager wanted him to declare an emergency so that they could get access to more resources. For the 21st time though, I have to defer to the experts on this one.

All I can say for certain is that city staff responsible for emergency management came to him asking him to declare a state of emergency so that they could get access to more resources, and he refused to do that. I would think that we would want all the resources that we can get our hands on at the moment.

From what Councellor Denzil Minnon-Wong said on Breakfast Television this morning the provice was at the table offering everything that they could offer. There would be nothing more offered by a State of Emergency. And we know he is not a Ford supporter so I don't think he is holding anythig back. Therefore, in my opinion, those that think there should be one are either ignorant or politically motivated. Which one are you? (I guess you could be both.)

 

[BornRuff]

From what Councellor Denzil Minnon-Wong said on Breakfast Television this morning the provice was at the table offering everything that they could offer. There would be nothing more offered by a State of Emergency. And we know he is not a Ford supporter so I don't think he is holding anythig back. Therefore, in my opinion, those that think there should be one are either ignorant or politically motivated. Which one are you? (I guess you could be both.)

Why do people have so much trouble with the idea that things change over time?

When staff urged Ford to make the declaration on Sunday, it was because staff identified it as the fastest way to get all the necessary resources mobilized. Ford refused, so they had to find ways to work around him.

Luckily, others have found ways to mobilize the necessary resources in spite of Ford. It certainly was not Ford who was negotiating with the province to get these resources. He proudly says that he hadn't spoken to the province or Norm Kelly since Sunday.

Do you not think that in a situation like this, our mayor should be more concerned with getting as much help as possible as quickly as possible rather than protecting his own political ambitions?

 

[taxslave]

Lol, are you sure those toddlers are not rubbing off on you? You have asked the exact same question at least 10 times now. What do you expect is going to change?

I have clearly stated my point just as many times, but you just want to talk about your own thing. We have heard from actual experts in emergency management that said that making the declaration would give them access to more resources and funding. I have never claimed to know exactly what those are, but my knowledge of emergency management has nothing to do with the validity of the statements from the experts.

So in simple terms you have no clue at all if there are any other resources to tap into other than what is already under way. All you are doing is parroting Ford's political enemies.

 

[BornRuff]

So in simple terms you have no clue at all if there are any other resources to tap into other than what is already under way. All you are doing is parroting Ford's political enemies.

Joe Pennachetti and John Livey are his political enemies?

 

[BruSan]

While I'm fully cognizant of this being a bash Ford thread and titled as such; it's got to be proven to me that him decalring an emergency will do no more than suggest laying the new wiring on the damn ground and throwing the switch is the only tangible way things could be sped up.


Surmisals: ALL available resources are now fully engaged in stringing new wire and replacing damaged components. Crews are everywhere with chainsaws and reel trucks hanging wire as fast as it can be unspooled and pulled. Declaring an emergency can only mean some additional clerical or administrative duties delegated to other entities.


Military assistance would only serve to get parked cars and other impediments out of the way faster while leaving the owners with no avenue for complaint later. So what? The wiring that has been allowed to stagnate through our stupid Liberals wasting millions on stuff like failed E-Health experiments and moving of gas plant generating stations could have been better spent upgrading the infrastructure that the privatized Hydro One failed to perform.


You gonna vote Liberal again or is bashing Rob ford going to satisfy your angst?


Torontonians; you're not the only ones suffering, look slightly west to see many smaller communities who've been given a tentative Boxing Day power resumption update. I can assure you those folks couldn't care less if Rob Ford declares an emergency or indeed, whether he resembles a sperm whale with legs or not.

 

[BornRuff]

Torontonians; you're not the only ones suffering, look slightly west to see many smaller communities who've been given a tentative Boxing Day power resumption update. I can assure you those folks couldn't care less if Rob Ford declares an emergency or indeed, whether he resembles a sperm whale with legs or not.

Other than the fact that you are again missing the timeline of what I am talking about, why would anyone not in Toronto care about what Ford chose to do? Just like I am concerned about my city, I am sure they are most concerned about their own city.

 

[pgs]

Why do people have so much trouble with the idea that things change over time?

When staff urged Ford to make the declaration on Sunday, it was because staff identified it as the fastest way to get all the necessary resources mobilized. Ford refused, so they had to find ways to work around him.

Luckily, others have found ways to mobilize the necessary resources in spite of Ford. It certainly was not Ford who was negotiating with the province to get these resources. He proudly says that he hadn't spoken to the province or Norm Kelly since Sunday.

Do you not think that in a situation like this, our mayor should be more concerned with getting as much help as possible as quickly as possible rather than protecting his own political ambitions?

To funny .The staff went to deputy mayor to enact emergency measures. Found out they didn't have authority despite seizing control of
the Ford's budget , and are now blaming the Ford . Once again to funny . Keep up the crocodile tears BornRuff , lol
A ruff guy like you should be able to handle a little cold weather.

 

[petros]

Probably a massive investment to bury all the old lines through.

Not really. they can be pushed or pulled through the soil below a street or trenched into an alley way.

 

[BruSan]

Other than the fact that you are again missing the timeline of what I am talking about, why would anyone not in Toronto care about what Ford chose to do? Just like I am concerned about my city, I am sure they are most concerned about their own city.

While you have provided nothing more than opinion regarding any timeline discussion; my post was an attempt to suggest Toronto's problems would still be the very same had you not even had a Rob Ford anywhere in the equation.


I do not propose debating any "hypothetical" timeline issue as being either productive or anything other than a complete waste of time. It would also seem to have been more than adequately shown that those in a position of authority to make such an assessment have agreed on it making very little if any difference.


Now what? Continue focus upon Ford or demand future change to mitigate a repeat of this as you can take it to the bank that regardless if Ford serves any tangible influence in the governance of Toronto in the future, another storm undoubtedly WILL.

 

[taxslave]

Not really. they can be pushed or pulled through the soil below a street or trenched into an alley way.

But the money would have to come out of their artsyfartsy budget. They could just prune the trees too. Well the ones mother nature didn't prune this year.

 

[JLM]

While I'm fully cognizant of this being a bash Ford thread and titled as such; it's got to be proven to me that him decalring an emergency will do no more than suggest laying the new wiring on the damn ground and throwing the switch is the only tangible way things could be sped up.

There's a line in Shakespeare that could be appropriately applied to Ford..........."The evil that men do in their lives, lives after them, while the good is oft interred with their bones".

 

[petros]

But the money would have to come out of their artsyfartsy budget. They could just prune the trees too. Well the ones mother nature didn't prune this year.

It would go on their hydro bill like wind and solar subsidies.

 

[SLM]

It would go on their hydro bill like wind and solar subsidies.

That's exactly what people in Ontario need, more added onto our hydro bills.