What was the fight between God and Satan about?
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All men are sinners.
The wages of sin is death.
Do the math.
Thanks for asking about my beliefs.
I was a skeptic till the age of 39.
I then had an apotheosis and later branded myself an esoteric ecumenistand Gnostic Christian. Gnostic Christian because I exemplify this quote fromWilliam Blake and that makes me as hated by Christians today as the ancientGnostics that Constantine had the Christians kill when he bought the CatholicChurch.
“Both read the Bible day andnight, But thou read'st black where I read white.”
This refers to how Gnostics tend to reverse, for moral reasons, whatChristians see in the Bible. We tend to recognize the evil ways of the O. T.God where literal Christians will see God’s killing as good.Christians are sheep where Gnostic Christians are goats.
This is perhaps why we see the use of a Jesus scapegoat as immoral,while theists like to make Jesus their beast of burden. An immoral position.
During my apotheosis, something that only lasted 5 or 6 seconds, theonly things of note to happen was that my paradigm of reality was confirmed andI was chastised to think more demographically. What I found was what I call acosmic consciousness. Not a new term but one that is a close but not exact fit.
I recognize that I have no proof. That is always the way withapotheosis.
This is also why I prefer to stick to issues of morality because no onehas yet been able to prove that God is real and I have no more proof than theyfor the cosmic consciousness or what I call; the Godhead.
The cosmic consciousness is not a miracle working God. It does notinterfere with us save when one of us finds it. Not a common thing from what Ican see. It is a part of nature and our next evolutionary step.
I tend to have more in common with atheists who ignore what they see asmy delusion because our morals are basically identical. Theist tend not to likeme much as I have no respect for literalists and fundamentals and think thatmost Christians have exaggerated tribal mentalities and poor morals as theyhave developed a double standard to be able to stomach their God.
I am rather between a rock and a hard place but this I cannot help.
I am happy to be questioned on what I believe but whether or not Godexists is basically irrelevant to this world for all that he does not do, and Iprefer to thrash out moral issues that can actually find an end point. Thesearch for God is never ending when you are of the Gnostic persuasion. Myapotheosis basically says that I am to ignore whatever God I found, God as aset of rules that is, not idol worship it but instead, raise my bar ofexcellence and seek further.
My apotheosis also showed me that God has no need for love, adoration orobedience. He has no needs. Man has dominion here on earth and is to be and isthe supreme being.
Since then, I have tried to collect information that would help any thatbelieve that apotheosis is possible, generally not Christians, --- as they donot believe in the mythical esoteric Jesus that I believe in and churches donot dare teach it.
This first clip gives the theological and philosophical interpretationof what Jesus taught and the second clip show what I think is a closerepresentation of the method that helped me push my apotheosis.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesfXXw&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdSVl_HOo8Y
Basically, the usual Christian Jesus is their hero and savior while myversion demand that man himself steps up to the plate and save himself.
Which version do you think is more moral and deserving of praise andwhy?
Regards
DL
If so easy to follow, why does God break most of them?
Is do as I say and not as I do a good policy for a law maker to promote?
Regards
DL
Frenchie, I'm going to need a few hours - well maybe a few days to digest what you have written here. In the meantime, we can't save ourselves because we are basically all idiots. Strive as we will, we will never attain moral perfection. This is a good thing to ponder what you have said here: All men are sinners.
The wages of sin is death. Do the math.
From what I gather you do not believe there is a God that said such things? Say there is. Isn't He just being free to be HE. That's what we are dealing with. A God with unattainable high standards? And there is the rub. Is God a maniac? He knows we cannot prefectly keep his rules. Afterall, if he were GOD, he would deliver us. I get that, but I look at the factor of time. Yeah, I know he can overide Time, but he chooses not to. Does it matter that he says at the appointed time there will be no more suffering? Lion will lay down next to the lamb (and not rip its head off)? We just have to wait. ?????
The wages of sin is death. Do the math.
From what I gather you do not believe there is a God that said such things? Say there is. Isn't He just being free to be HE. That's what we are dealing with. A God with unattainable high standards? And there is the rub. Is God a maniac? He knows we cannot prefectly keep his rules. Afterall, if he were GOD, he would deliver us. I get that, but I look at the factor of time. Yeah, I know he can overide Time, but he chooses not to. Does it matter that he says at the appointed time there will be no more suffering? Lion will lay down next to the lamb (and not rip its head off)? We just have to wait. ?????
I'm sure that it's as relevant as the pseudo intellectual mumbo jumbo that permeates this thread......;-)
Sleeper - you will have to admit that the wildebeast is evidence of the existence of God. Wouldn't you agree? Certainly, such a magnificent beast wasn't thrown together by intergalactic dust and such. Rather, this animal is sound evidence of an Intelligent Creator. Will we not have egg on our face if upon our death we greet God with the notion that He didn't create such a beast? Will we say to the Almighty, "Oh, I beg to differ. Such a beast came about by the mixing of space sludge".I'm sure that it's as relevant as the pseudo intellectual mumbo jumbo that permeates this thread......;-)
By the way, the only thing I got going for me is the mumbo and the jumbo.
Eagle: "Wildebeests are amazing animals."
Indeed. They are quite fine. Thanks for the photos. I especially like the three resting together in the grass. I can hear Domingo, Cararas and Pavrotti singing when I look at those marvelous beasts.
Wait?
Why?
Scriptures say that the vast majority of us will end in hell. Waiting does not serve God well at all unless he starts to create us in a different way and nothing like that is indicated without his changing all of life's rules.
In the meantime, you and I should remember that when someone continues to do the same things while expecting a different result, it is a sign of insanity. God then must be insane.
You go ahead and try to match the morals of an insane God. I will not.
Regards
DL
Hell is a lot nicer now that Jerusalem recycles, animal sacrifices have stopped up at the Temple and they have a sewerage system.
Go Green Go Hell
Go Green Go Hell
Hot Stuff - National Film Board of Canada - YouTubeThe questions in this thread are answered in the preceding religious short.
Ahhh, the fog of woher*s. In heaven, we will all have high-speed internet. Be patient, my brother.
That was one of the best religious films I've seen today. Wasn't there something about high speed internet in Leviticus?