I knew Satan was an American. I did not know it was old Tom Edison.
Regards
DL
He is not hungry. Look closer and see what he is actually doing.
Regards
DL
What was the fight between God and Satan about?
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I knew Satan was an American. I did not know it was old Tom Edison.
Regards
DL
He is not hungry. Look closer and see what he is actually doing.
Regards
DL
Who created it?
That is the one to blame.
No man would be so immoral that he would created such an immoral construct so it had to be the one who will use it and that is God. Right?
No one else is that immoral. Not even Satan.
Regards
DL
Another hungry Croc!
Look out Mr. Wildebeest!
Each year around 1.5 million wildebeest and 300,000 zebra (along with other antelope) gather up their young and start their long trek from Tanzania's Serengeti Plains, further north to Kenya's Masai Mara National Reserve. They go in search of food and water. Their journey runs in a clockwise circle and the animals cover a distance of around 1800 miles. It's a tough journey, and every year an estimated 250,000 wildebeest don't make it. One of the most spectacular sights of the migration is when the herds gather to cross the Grumeti River (Tanzania) and the Mara River (Kenya) from July through September. As the herds cross, crocodiles are lying in wait for any weak and feeble ungulates that can't cope with the strong currents or lose their mothers.
But the river crossings aren't the only spectacle. Just witnessing hundreds of animals on the plains is a sight in itself. Particularly because they attract many of Africa's impressive predators. Lions, leopards, hyenas and wild dogs follow the herds and give safari goers excellent chances of seeing a kill in action.
Being a natural event, the migration changes year to year in both timing and location. Use the information below as a general guideline.
The Migration in Tanzania
In December through March the Serengeti plains and the Ngorongoro Conservation areas in northern Tanzania are home to giant herds of wildebeest, zebra and other ungulates. This is calving season. Most of the wildebeest calves are born in just a three week period, usually the beginning of February. Calves attract predators and this is an amazing time of year to watch impressive lion kills. It's also quite spectacular to see almost half a million little wildebeest being born and running alongside their mothers. The southern Ndutu and Salei plains are the best areas to see the large herds during this time of year. The best places to stay include Ndutu Safari Lodge, Kusini Camp, Lemala Ndutu Camp and any mobile tented camps in the area.
By April/May the herds begin to migrate west and north to the grassier plains and woodland of the Serengeti’s western Corridor. The rain during this time of year makes it difficult to follow the herds during this stage of their migration. Many of Tanzania's smaller camps in fact shut down due to impassable roads.
By the end of May, as the rains stop, the wildebeest and zebra gradually start moving north and individual groups begin to congregate and form much larger herds. This is also the time the wildebeest mate. Western Serengeti is the best place to watch the migration unfold.
By July the herds reach their first big obstacle, the Grumeti River. The Grumeti river can get deep in places, especially if the rains have been good. This is the first of the spectacular river crossings you can witness. The depth of the river makes drowning a distinct possibility for many wildebeest and there are plenty of crocodiles to take advantage of their distress.
Camps along the river during this time make for an incredible safari experience. The best places to stay are The Serengeti Serena which is a central, easily accessible lodge for viewing the migration at this time. Grumeti River Camp, Migration Camp and Kirawira Camp are also options. Seronera and Moru area campsites are the best for those on a budget. Kleins Camp is also ideally situated.
More information about Tanzania's Serengeti and more about travel to Tanzania including getting there.
The Migration in Kenya
By late July, the grasses of the western Serengeti are turning yellow and the herds continue north. After crossing the Grumeti River in Tanzania the wildebeest and zebra head to Kenya's Lamai Wedge and the Mara Triangle. Before they get to the lush plains of the Mara, they have to make another river crossing. This time it's the Mara River and that too is filled with hungry crocodiles. The best places to stay to watch the migrating wildebeest tackle the Mara River include CC Africa's Kichwa Tembo and Bataleur Camps, the Mara Serena Safari Lodge, and Sayari Mara Camp.
September through November, the Mara plains are filled to the brim with large herds of ungulates, naturally followed by predators.
Best places to stay while the migration is in the Mara include the Governors camps and Mara Serena Safari Lodge. In Tanzania, the Kirawira camp, and Grumeti River Camp.
There are plenty more places to stay inside the Masai Mara Reserve and just outside the Reserve (equally good for wildlife spotting).
By November/December the rains start in the south again and the herds begin their long trek back down to the Serengeti plains in Tanzania to have their young.
During the short rains of November the wildebeest migration is best viewed from Klein’s Camp. Campsites in the Lobo area are also good.
Interesting Facts
Look out Mr. Wildebeest!
Each year around 1.5 million wildebeest and 300,000 zebra (along with other antelope) gather up their young and start their long trek from Tanzania's Serengeti Plains, further north to Kenya's Masai Mara National Reserve. They go in search of food and water. Their journey runs in a clockwise circle and the animals cover a distance of around 1800 miles. It's a tough journey, and every year an estimated 250,000 wildebeest don't make it. One of the most spectacular sights of the migration is when the herds gather to cross the Grumeti River (Tanzania) and the Mara River (Kenya) from July through September. As the herds cross, crocodiles are lying in wait for any weak and feeble ungulates that can't cope with the strong currents or lose their mothers.
But the river crossings aren't the only spectacle. Just witnessing hundreds of animals on the plains is a sight in itself. Particularly because they attract many of Africa's impressive predators. Lions, leopards, hyenas and wild dogs follow the herds and give safari goers excellent chances of seeing a kill in action.
Being a natural event, the migration changes year to year in both timing and location. Use the information below as a general guideline.
The Migration in Tanzania
In December through March the Serengeti plains and the Ngorongoro Conservation areas in northern Tanzania are home to giant herds of wildebeest, zebra and other ungulates. This is calving season. Most of the wildebeest calves are born in just a three week period, usually the beginning of February. Calves attract predators and this is an amazing time of year to watch impressive lion kills. It's also quite spectacular to see almost half a million little wildebeest being born and running alongside their mothers. The southern Ndutu and Salei plains are the best areas to see the large herds during this time of year. The best places to stay include Ndutu Safari Lodge, Kusini Camp, Lemala Ndutu Camp and any mobile tented camps in the area.
By April/May the herds begin to migrate west and north to the grassier plains and woodland of the Serengeti’s western Corridor. The rain during this time of year makes it difficult to follow the herds during this stage of their migration. Many of Tanzania's smaller camps in fact shut down due to impassable roads.
By the end of May, as the rains stop, the wildebeest and zebra gradually start moving north and individual groups begin to congregate and form much larger herds. This is also the time the wildebeest mate. Western Serengeti is the best place to watch the migration unfold.
By July the herds reach their first big obstacle, the Grumeti River. The Grumeti river can get deep in places, especially if the rains have been good. This is the first of the spectacular river crossings you can witness. The depth of the river makes drowning a distinct possibility for many wildebeest and there are plenty of crocodiles to take advantage of their distress.
Camps along the river during this time make for an incredible safari experience. The best places to stay are The Serengeti Serena which is a central, easily accessible lodge for viewing the migration at this time. Grumeti River Camp, Migration Camp and Kirawira Camp are also options. Seronera and Moru area campsites are the best for those on a budget. Kleins Camp is also ideally situated.
More information about Tanzania's Serengeti and more about travel to Tanzania including getting there.
The Migration in Kenya
By late July, the grasses of the western Serengeti are turning yellow and the herds continue north. After crossing the Grumeti River in Tanzania the wildebeest and zebra head to Kenya's Lamai Wedge and the Mara Triangle. Before they get to the lush plains of the Mara, they have to make another river crossing. This time it's the Mara River and that too is filled with hungry crocodiles. The best places to stay to watch the migrating wildebeest tackle the Mara River include CC Africa's Kichwa Tembo and Bataleur Camps, the Mara Serena Safari Lodge, and Sayari Mara Camp.
September through November, the Mara plains are filled to the brim with large herds of ungulates, naturally followed by predators.
Best places to stay while the migration is in the Mara include the Governors camps and Mara Serena Safari Lodge. In Tanzania, the Kirawira camp, and Grumeti River Camp.
There are plenty more places to stay inside the Masai Mara Reserve and just outside the Reserve (equally good for wildlife spotting).
By November/December the rains start in the south again and the herds begin their long trek back down to the Serengeti plains in Tanzania to have their young.
During the short rains of November the wildebeest migration is best viewed from Klein’s Camp. Campsites in the Lobo area are also good.
Interesting Facts
- Wildebeest are also called Gnu because of the grunts they make which sound like "gnu" "gnu".
- Wildebeest young are almost all born during a three week period (an estimated 400,000 each year). This overwhelming supply of potential food for predators means more of them survive.
- Wildebeest are born to run. They can run alongside their mothers just minutes after they are born.
- Zebra and wildebeest graze in harmony because each animal prefers a different part of the same grass.
- No two zebra look exactly the same.
- It is estimated that around 250,000 wildebeest die while on the migration circuit.
- The migration is a natural phenomenon that only started in the 1960's.
Well, according to the Bible, it's all in this god's plan, right? And being omnipotent, it could fix everything in the blink of an eye, so ...... ? Funny how this god seems to think in the same ways as human Middle Eastern males 6000 years ago.
You seem to define "fact" as "wishful thinking".
"I want to believe." - Fox Mulder
The difference between a religious nutter and an anti religion nutter is that one is patronizing and the other is condescending...
Your choice as to which is what...;-)8O
Your choice as to which is what...;-)8O
Edison succeeded in mass marketing the light bulb which fueled the rumour that he invented it.That's what I read somewhere.
Your interest in these religious sorts of threads is curious indeed then. Could it be that you are of the desperate soon to expire fence sitting school literally dieing for a breakthrough to the other side, a short cut to safe harbour, a soft landing on some celestial cloud, a final unearned reward arrived at by chance encounter in one of these threads, some gold that would win you passage to that better plane or maybe just some driftwood to cling to while you await judgement. You could get lucky in the very next posting. No pain no gain.
I think this may require a new thread on free will. Methinks God did not fate Adam & Eve to sin. Indeed, I think we need a new thread - we will have to discuss free will. Answer such questions as are we free to choose oven roasted turkey on french or pastrami on rye? Or are we fated to eat ham and provolone. Did Adam & Eve have free will in regards to sinning? What about now? Just what does original sin mean? We will have to get out the jumper cables, light bulbs, & electricity for some and for others we will have to bring the scrolls of history into evidence. And apparently some will want to present hippos, zebra and wildebeast into the discussion. What a fine group we are indeed. I think now I know who God was speaking of when he said, "Who is this that obscures my plans with words without knowledge?" Just might be us.
That's because "man" would not think to create a free being. Rather, he would impose all manner of limitation and dictates upon the created being. Look at Bloomberg - Thou must not drink a 32 ounce soda. Look at Obumster, "I'll tell you what doctor you can see...oh wait, you can't see that one, or that one..." Yes, "man" would "protect" his creation and program it to only eat bean sprouts and spinach. "Man's" creation would not have free will to go against its creator.
If man had a creator, that creator would step up.
Only deadbeat dads do not know their children. Good fathers do know their children and their children know him.
As to free will. A & E are said to have been given that but Goid murdered them by neglect and locking away the tree of life the first time they did their will and not God's.
Do you call that real free will?
It is not to me.
It is more like God saying do as I want, demand and command or I will kill you.
Regards
DL
Frenchie, I sure am glad you didn't write any scripture. Imagine if there were the Book of Frenchie. "Thus sayest the Lord. I demand and command. Listen or die". Not very uplifting. Do you believe in a God or gods or not?
You have to live to be uplifted so you'd best listen and obey. Do not eat the yellow berries, get up and down with the sun, avoid over exposure to the sun rain and snow, keep your hands off your nieghbours a ss and don't pray to rocks or sticks. Now is that to hard for you to do?
Apparently those items you list are hard for people to do or not do. Are the 10 commandments unreasonable? I think they make a nice set of rules to live by. Yet, we humans struggle to obey those rules. Seems to me God is a reasonable fellow. Would we rather have a God that didn't care if we committed murder and mayhem?
Considering all the murder and mayhem the scriptures report him as committing, and all the murder and mayhem he urges us to commit (see Leviticus and Deuteronomy in particular), a case could be made that he cares if we DON'T commit murder and mayhem. As long as we pick the right targets--stubborn and rebellious sons, people who worship other gods, people who work on the Sabbath, people who wear clothes made of two different fabrics, people who plant two different crops in the same field, adulterous women, homosexuals, witches, soothsayers, etc.--I think he'd be okay with it.
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Yeah, God has some personality now doesn't he. Turns out that he isn't a Santa Claus. This warrants a look into Old Testament VS New Testament. Duty calls...maybe I'll try a new thread on the subject later this evening. Oh, I am sure all can hardly wait.
