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The Democrat’s Version of Health Insurance Would Have Been Cheaper, Simpler, and More Popular (So Why Did We Enact the Republican Version and Why Are They So Upset?)


While Republicans plot new ways to sabotage the Affordable Care Act, it’s easy to forget that for years they’ve been arguing that any comprehensive health insurance system be designed exactly like the one that officially began October 1st, glitches and all.

For as many years Democrats tried to graft healthcare onto Social Security and Medicare, and pay for it through the payroll tax. But Republicans countered that any system must be based on private insurance and paid for with a combination of subsidies for low-income purchasers and a requirement that the younger and healthier sign up.

Not surprisingly, private health insurers cheered on the Republicans while doing whatever they could to block Democrats from creating a public insurance system.

In February 1974, Republican President Richard Nixon proposed, in essence, today’s Affordable Care Act. Under Nixon’s plan all but the smallest employers would provide insurance to their workers or pay a penalty, an expanded Medicaid-type program would insure the poor, and subsidies would be provided to low-income individuals and small employers. Sound familiar?

Private insurers were delighted with the Nixon plan but Democrats preferred a system based on Social Security and Medicare, and the two sides failed to agree.

Thirty years later a Republican governor, Mitt Romney, made Nixon’s plan the law in Massachusetts. Private insurers couldn’t have been happier although many Democrats in the state had hoped for a public system.

When today’s Republicans rage against the individual mandate in the Affordable Care Act, it’s useful to recall this was their idea as well.

In 1989, Stuart M. Butler of the conservative Heritage Foundation came up with a plan that would “mandate all households to obtain adequate insurance.”

Insurance companies loved Butler’s plan so much it found its way into several bills introduced by Republican lawmakers in 1993. Among the supporters were senators Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, and Charles Grassley, R-Iowa (who now oppose the mandate under the Affordable Care Act). Newt Gingrich, who became Speaker of the House in 1995, was also a big proponent.

Romney’s heathcare plan in Massachusetts included the same mandate to purchase private insurance. “We got the idea of an individual mandate from [Newt Gingrich], and [Newt] got it from the Heritage Foundation,” said Romney, who thought the mandate “essential for bringing the health care costs down for everyone and getting everyone the health insurance they need.”

Now that the essential Republican plan for healthcare is being implemented nationally, health insurance companies are jubilant.

Last week, after the giant insurer Wellpoint raised its earnings estimates, CEO Joseph Swedish pointed to “the long-term membership growth opportunity through exchanges.” Other major health plans are equally bullish. “The emergence of public exchanges, private exchanges, Medicaid expansions … have the potential to create new opportunities for us to grow and serve in new ways,” UnitedHealth Group CEO Stephen J. Hemsley effused.

So why are today’s Republicans so upset with an Act they designed and their patrons adore? Because it’s the signature achievement of the Obama administration.

There’s a deep irony to all this. Had Democrats stuck to the original Democratic vision and built comprehensive health insurance on Social Security and Medicare, it would have been cheaper, simpler, and more widely accepted by the public.

And Republicans would be hollering anyway.




Robert Reich (The Democrat's Version of Health Insurance Would Have Been Cheaper, Simpler, and More Popular (So Why Did We Enact the Republican Version and Why Are They So Upset?))
 

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The prices are going down in Democrat states, states that have no partisan reason to see a Democratic President's signature legislation fail.

That's right. The states with waivers. :)

I heard that in the whole government closure fiasco, the Republicans offered to fund Obamacare and end the shutdown if congress waived it's waiver. The Democrats refused. Telling?
 

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In this short video, comprised of clips compiled over the last few years, Barrack Obama can be seen serially assuring Americans in forcefully-delivered, entirely unequivocal terms that if they like their current health care plan they can keep it.
We now know that he was not only repeatedly telling a bald-assed lie, but that he knew he was telling a lie.
If you're a Democrat, of course, there's no such thing as a lie: Here's House Democrat whip Steny Hoyer -
"I don't think (Obama's) message was wrong. I think the message was accurate. It was not precise enough..."​
Actually, he lied in very precisely-stated terms -- or, if you prefer Demspeak, he was telling the truth when he lied:
"He didn't say anything wrong," Senate majority leader Harry Reid said when asked about Obama's promise. "That was true."​
In another variant, he just forgot, while delivering his litany of assurances, to add a particular phrase, extemporaneously concocted by another Dem long-after-the fact, that would have un-lied his lie:
According to Senator Mary Landrieu of Louisiana, Democrats had only promised that Americans could keep their insurance if it was "good insurance."​
Shameless liars. Or, in "ha-ha" Demspeak, "GET OVER IT."


Lying under O - Small Dead Animals



Oh, and this beauty:


Sebelius: Men Often Need Maternity Care

Rep. Renee Ellmers was questioning Kathleen Sebelius when she came out with this instant classic.
Ellmers: You also brought up the issue that when you were in Kansas [as health Commissioner and governor] that you fought against discriminatory issues… As far as [ObamaCare's] essential health benefits, correct me if I’m wrong: do men not have to buy maternity care?

Sebelius: Policies will cover maternity coverage. For the young and healthy, uh, under ythirty year-olds will have a choice also of a catastrophic plan that has no maternity coverage.

Ellmers: But men are required to purchase maternity coverage.

Sebelius: Well, an insurance policy has a series of benefits whether you use them or not…

Ellmers: And that is why health care premiums are increasing, because we are forcing them to buy things that they will never need. Thank you.

Sebelius: The individual policies cover families. Men often do need maternity care for their spouses and for their families, yes.

Ellmers: A single male, aged 32, does need maternity coverage. To the best of your knowledge, has a man ever delivered a baby?
Every man in Obamacare, regardless of his circumstances, has to pay for maternity care, whether he has a wife or if she’s 70 years old. There are no options out of the “better plan” that you are required to have. Needless to say these required “benefits” you may not want are part of why so many people are paying so much more for Obamacare plans.



HT: Breitbart



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via sda:

Is There Nothing That Obama Can't Do?


CBS:
The website launched on a Tuesday. Publicly, the government said there were 4.7 million unique visits in the first 24 hours. But at a meeting Wednesday morning, the war room notes say "six enrollments have occurred so far."
Follow Sharyl Attkisson for continuing revelations.


CBS news story here.



 

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Mitt Romney Still Gets Mad When You Compare Obamacare to Romneycare



Since the 2012 campaign will never end, apparently, Mitt Romney launched a Facebook attack at President Obama and Obamacare on Wednesday. He was provoked: The president will travel to the site of Romney's signature legislative accomplishment to point out that even Romneycare got off to a slow start.


The White House said Obama planned to point out Massachusetts' sluggish start Wednesday. Jonathan Gruber, a Massachusetts Institute of Technology economics professor who advised both Romney and Obama on the development of their laws, said only 123 paying consumers signed up the first month of the Massachusetts law, with 36,000 coming on by the time penalties kicked in for failing to have insurance...


This is not how Romney wants his legacy to be remembered. (Now that the 2012 campaign is over, he is again ready to have it be remembered.) Echoing Sarah Palin, Romney took to Facebook to try and frame Obama's speech before it happens.


The most effective line in Romney's message may be its closing one, that the state was "carefully phasing it in to avoid the type of disruptions we are seeing nationally." In other words, Romneycare was meant to be unveiled slowly. It's a rejection of the president's apparent argument that Massachusetts started slowly; Romney's implying that the slow start was intentional to ensure that it wouldn't be glitchy.

As WBUR radio reported earlier this month, the truth lies in the middle. The state underestimated sign-up needs, and lawmakers consistently had to approve larger budget allocations to meet the needs of the program.


Mitt Romney Still Gets Mad When You Compare Obamacare to Romneycare - Philip Bump - The Atlantic Wire
 

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Mitt Romney Still Gets Mad When You Compare Obamacare to Romneycare



Since the 2012 campaign will never end, apparently, Mitt Romney launched a Facebook attack at President Obama and Obamacare on Wednesday. He was provoked: The president will travel to the site of Romney's signature legislative accomplishment to point out that even Romneycare got off to a slow start.


The White House said Obama planned to point out Massachusetts' sluggish start Wednesday. Jonathan Gruber, a Massachusetts Institute of Technology economics professor who advised both Romney and Obama on the development of their laws, said only 123 paying consumers signed up the first month of the Massachusetts law, with 36,000 coming on by the time penalties kicked in for failing to have insurance...


This is not how Romney wants his legacy to be remembered. (Now that the 2012 campaign is over, he is again ready to have it be remembered.) Echoing Sarah Palin, Romney took to Facebook to try and frame Obama's speech before it happens.


The most effective line in Romney's message may be its closing one, that the state was "carefully phasing it in to avoid the type of disruptions we are seeing nationally." In other words, Romneycare was meant to be unveiled slowly. It's a rejection of the president's apparent argument that Massachusetts started slowly; Romney's implying that the slow start was intentional to ensure that it wouldn't be glitchy.

As WBUR radio reported earlier this month, the truth lies in the middle. The state underestimated sign-up needs, and lawmakers consistently had to approve larger budget allocations to meet the needs of the program.


Mitt Romney Still Gets Mad When You Compare Obamacare to Romneycare - Philip Bump - The Atlantic Wire

Ol' Romney still has that taste of sour grapes! The guy should get a life. Go volunteer at the local food bank!
 

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The real problem with Obamacare is that it didn't go far enough and fast enough.
Obama should have usurped the power of the managed privates right from the
beginning.


Actually, I think its the opposite. He wanted too much too soon. He should have started small to ensure things went smoothly and had the ability to fix whatever was wrong and then expanded it over a longer period of time. He's bitten off more than he can chew right now and its going to be extremely hard to fix. There are still parts of the law that no one knows about and with that, who know what other reprecussions are still to come.

That's what happens when you pass a law with 10,000+ pages that now one has read!! dumb de dumb dum!! What's even more amazing is that people still voted him in.

In Canada, when Kim Campbell stated that some issues were too complex to discuss during a campaign, she was laughted (rightly so) out of office. Obama simply did it.

JMHO
 

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Actually, I think its the opposite. He wanted too much too soon. He should have started small to ensure things went smoothly and had the ability to fix whatever was wrong and then expanded it over a longer period of time. He's bitten off more than he can chew right now and its going to be extremely hard to fix. There are still parts of the law that no one knows about and with that, who know what other reprecussions are still to come.

That's what happens when you pass a law with 10,000+ pages that now one has read!! dumb de dumb dum!! What's even more amazing is that people still voted him in.

In Canada, when Kim Campbell stated that some issues were too complex to discuss during a campaign, she was laughted (rightly so) out of office. Obama simply did it.

JMHO

Yep, I'm of the mind that when you introduce something new you tread softly and slowly. I've always thought one good practice is to try something in one small area of the country on a trial basis before throwing it "wide open". Years ago an illustrious leader here bought three new ferries of different construction and design than what was traditionally used. Of course all three failed, when with a little thought he could have arranged things so only one would fail. -:)
 

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Thanks Captain Obvious! Top Obama Adviser Dan Pfeiffer Says You Can Keep Your Plan “If It Hasn’t Been Canceled”…

Face, meet palm.


Via Fox News:
White House senior adviser Dan Pfeiffer added a new twist to Obama’s pledge to millions of Americans that they could keep their insurance if they like it.


[People who are happy with their insurance] can keep it, if it hasn’t been changed or canceled,” he said on ABC’s “This Week” with George Stephanopoulos.


In the days that followed the Oct. 1 rollout, the site has been riddled with problems.


The ObamaCare website shut down Saturday night for “extended” repairs, according to the Department of Health and Human Services.
 

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"If you're explaining why cancer patients should lose their health insurance, you're losing."

We conservatives are used to being portrayed as heartless villains. If progressives aren’t accusing us of pushing grandmothers off fiscal cliffs we’re lashing women to train tracks (using binders, of course). Team Obama even accused Mitt Romney of giving a woman cancer just to watch her die.


This tired media template was reversed as loathsome Obama spokesgremlin Dan Pfeiffer attacked a 62-year-old cancer patient on his official White House Twitter account.


Pfeiffer was responding to a heart-wrenching op-ed in today’s Wall Street Journal written by a cancer patient who is losing her doctors and health insurance plan.


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White House Takes on Elderly Cancer Patient - Ricochet.com
 

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Ol' Romney still has that taste of sour grapes! The guy should get a life. Go volunteer at the local food bank!

He's going to be needed there.

"If you're explaining why cancer patients should lose their health insurance, you're losing."

We conservatives are used to being portrayed as heartless villains. If progressives aren’t accusing us of pushing grandmothers off fiscal cliffs we’re lashing women to train tracks (using binders, of course). Team Obama even accused Mitt Romney of giving a woman cancer just to watch her die.


This tired media template was reversed as loathsome Obama spokesgremlin Dan Pfeiffer attacked a 62-year-old cancer patient on his official White House Twitter account.


Pfeiffer was responding to a heart-wrenching op-ed in today’s Wall Street Journal written by a cancer patient who is losing her doctors and health insurance plan.


more


White House Takes on Elderly Cancer Patient - Ricochet.com

And it has only just begun.

"If you like your old plan you can keep it..."

Suckers.

That's right. The states with waivers. :)

I heard that in the whole government closure fiasco, the Republicans offered to fund Obamacare and end the shutdown if congress waived it's waiver. The Democrats refused. Telling?

He's wrong there as well JTF...

Rate Shock Massachusetts Edition: 60% Of Small Biz To See Premiums Rise, Up To 97% - Forbes

The Democrat’s Version of Health Insurance Would Have Been Cheaper, Simpler, and More Popular (So Why Did We Enact the Republican Version and Why Are They So Upset?)

Republican version?

The fiasco more commonly known as Obamacare is 100% Democrat. It was drafted and passed when both houses of Congress were 100% controlled by the Democrats.
 

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More Good News: Obamacare Website To Be Taken Offline Daily…



Healthcare.gov to shutdown daily | WGN-TV