Smile! You’ve Got Socialized Healthcare!
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I count that as good news. Now the eyes of the people will be opened and Obama and the dems will be sunk. I count this as the first real hope in breaking free from Obama's quasi socialist agenda. When the electorate sees how the government it a total fail, then maybe they will no longer vote to spend ourselves into oblivion. Now, we need a candidate for 2016. I may be completely wrong as New Yorkers just voted in that Communist NitWit as Mayor. We are outnumbered by those on the dole. They have their tongues dragging on the ground with hands open waiting for another freebee from the government.
And now 40% of Americans will get their health insurance from the taxpayers. They will also get their food stamps, free phones, housing, and additional subsidies. Actually, Obamacare is going to crash and burn. What a lovely day it will be when it does.
Could you explain how 40% outnumbers 60%?
About 17% of Americans receive food from food stamps.
Two percent.
About four percent.
Many of which they paid for.
The following is instructive, to anyone who is interested in learning rather than ranting their wildly inaccurate, emotionally-driven fears.
The Facts About Americans Who Receive Public Benefits | Center for American Progress
I hope you're right. Health care should be a decision of the states, and even if it is Federal, Obamacare is a disaster. Hardly surprising, it was designed to be.
Happy to pay insurance costs for the truly needy. 40% does not represent the truly needy. It is time to recognize that a large percentage of our population likes free stuff from the government. That has to end. If you want to eat, then work. And, it is important to note that the people that like the free stuff crosses all classes. I know plenty of middle class that are hoping to get subsidies for healthcare premiums. SLoth is upon us.
40% also doesn't represent the number whose insurance you think you will be paying for.
To the best of my knowledge, our entire population likes free stuff from the government, excluding only the fools who claim they would prefer to have no defence, no police, no courts, no roads, no sewers, &c, and of course the fools who think these things somehow aren't free stuff from the government.
I agree.
To say nothing of the 1%, who receive more free stuff from the government than anybody else.
How much did that 1% pay in a variety of taxes, levies, permits, licenses, etc to receive this bounty?
In aggregate? Probably around 10%. You can argue endlessly about what they paid and what they get, or you can cherry-pick the stats and find one that supports your fear-driven opinion.
Time to leave the 1% alone. They are the ones that butter your bread so to speak. So many are clueless as to the amount of taxes the 1% actually the top 10% pay. If it were not for them we would all be in the gutter. I suppose it is easier to feign the part of Robin Hood and paint the wealthy as crooked misers. No need to cherry pick stats. Take a look at the FICA spreadsheets. Here we have on display the great divide in America. Both sides refusing to look at the facts. Both sides preferring to demonize the other. Just what Obama wanted!
I agree. Can I leave them alone by not handing them trillions in government money?
I'm the one who butters my bread, thanks.
Yes, especially those who like to cite income-tax statistics as if that were the only tax. I'm glad you didn't do that. It might lower my opinion of you.
If it were not for the 99%, the 1% would be in the gutter. So what's your point?
Go right ahead. Enjoy yourself. For my part, I don't believe I've ever feigned an Englishman in my life.
Which is, of course, cherry-picking stats. Looking at FICA and ignoring other taxes.
"Both sides" belonging to an erroneous dichotomy model I don't buy at all.
You'll rarely go wrong playing to people's fears.
To presume that Obama is any different from any other politician is (pardon the expression) stupid.
I think if people focused more on exercising, working out and healthy eating habits, there wouldn't be quite the for this obsession on healthcare, it's supposed to be like insurance, not a way of life! Altogether too much "drugstore mentality" and an obsession with pills.
Yeah, the whole setup is a flimsy "pyramid" for sure. We have to get past the obsession of getting something for nothing, it doesn't work and only ends up with people getting hurt.
Yeah, the whole setup is a flimsy "pyramid" for sure. We have to get past the obsession of getting something for nothing, it doesn't work and only ends up with people getting hurt.
I'm not cheery-picking any stats here.
I remember when Buffet announced that he paid less income taxes than his secretary and society as a collective got their panties all in a bunch.
What Buffet didn't mention that the bulk of his income (as far as I understand) is generated from dividends. Although they are taxed at a lower rate, he still paid in excess of 9 figures into the pot... Not to mention that the numerous companies that he owns pay income tax, payroll tax, licenses, fees, levies, etc.
It is disingenuous to pretend that there is only one level of 'tax' exists for anyone, and yes, this includes the 1% who are subject to far greater exposure to the vast array of taxes and charges that exist.
Lastly, who says that the payment arrangements are to be based on a % at all?... Take a look at the actual dollars paid by different demographics and you'll think twice about worrying about what % someone pays
Yeah, I'm wondering how many people Bill Gates and Warren Buffett alone feed, and that's just two people.
Based on the information - there is no plausible cause to worry as there is no argument
Oh... those are all free?
I love how some people consider roads, national defense, sewers, etc as free.
You are aware of "taxes" aren't you?
I don't pay much in taxes, so I'm probably not as aware of them as you are. But you should really be talking to cj44. He's the one who started talking about "free stuff from the government." As you and I know, and he apparently doesn't, there is no such thing. All "stuff from the government" must be paid for through taxes or borrowing (which is simply deferred taxes). I was simply going along arguendo with his chosen paradigm.
I'm from Massachusetts... I pay a lot in taxes in both state and federal and local. So those roads, sewers, cops and firefighters, military etc. is not free stuff given to me. I pay for them as do many taxpayers. I pay for my own food, phone, housing, etc. I've been paying since I've been able to work at 16.
So don't tell me the road I drive on (etc) is free and a gift to me... an entitlement.
So don't tell me the road I drive on (etc) is free and a gift to me... an entitlement.