Smile! You’ve Got Socialized Healthcare!

[Tecumsehsbones]

I'm from Massachusetts... I pay a lot in taxes in both state and federal and local. So those roads, sewers, cops and firefighters, military etc. is not free stuff given to me. I pay for them as do many taxpayers. I pay for my own food, phone, housing, etc. I've been paying since I've been able to work at 16.

So don't tell me the road I drive on (etc) is free and a gift to me... an entitlement.

Everyone pays taxes. And everyone receives benefits. I'm more than willing to discuss the distribution of burdens and benefits, and whether this or that program, either in concept or as executed, is a good way to achieve its aim, or whether that aim is worth achieving. What I have relatively little patience with is the constant carping about who gives what and who gets what, usually informed by inaccurate or deliberately false sets of facts.

I'm also willing to talk about taxation. I favor a flat tax for all legal persons, on all income however derived, somewhere in the neighbourhood of 15%, give or take a couple percent.

 

[EagleSmack]

By that you mean the people who receive benefits and do not contribute. I live among them, I see them in the grocery store, I read of them in papers. Our liberal governor calls these instances anecdotal. But from his mansion and cocktail parties he turns a blind eye to them. It is far more than anecdotal... it is widespread. Their numbers are growing.

In our state being completely dependent on state and federal welfare and entitlements is a career choice. Free (or subsidized) housing, food, phones, day care, free school breakfast and lunch, the list goes on.

And I am no fan of millionaire, or six figure corporate execs getting their bonuses subsidized by the tax payers either but our government was unable or unwilling to stop that. I'm no fan of pork projects either.

It is all sickening.

Everyone pays taxes. And everyone receives benefitst.

What benefits do I receive that I have not contributed my money to?

 

[JLM]

What benefits do I receive that I have not contributed my money to?

Do you have another scheme in mind to pay for them?

 

[EagleSmack]

Do you have another scheme in mind to pay for them?

I think they pretty much have every scheme covered.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

By that you mean the people who receive benefits and do not contribute. I live among them, I see them in the grocery store, I read of them in papers. Our liberal governor calls these instances anecdotal. But from his mansion and cocktail parties he turns a blind eye to them.

By what do I mean such people? I'm sorry, I didn't understand your first sentence. Your liberal governor, by the way, is wrong.

In our state being completely dependent on state and federal welfare and entitlements is a career choice. Free (or subsidized) housing, food, phones, day care, free school breakfast and lunch, the list goes on.

I don't agree that it's a "career choice."

And I am no fan of millionaire, or six figure corporate execs getting their bonuses subsidized by the tax payers either but our government was unable or unwilling to stop that. I'm no fan of pork projects either.

It is all sickening.

Yep. It's not very difficult. Those who are capable of working and cannot find work should be employed by the government (don't take a doctorate to pick up trash) under terms that encourage them to find other work.

 

[cj44]

I agree. Can I leave them alone by not handing them trillions in government money?


I'm the one who butters my bread, thanks.


Yes, especially those who like to cite income-tax statistics as if that were the only tax. I'm glad you didn't do that. It might lower my opinion of you.


If it were not for the 99%, the 1% would be in the gutter. So what's your point?


Go right ahead. Enjoy yourself. For my part, I don't believe I've ever feigned an Englishman in my life.


Which is, of course, cherry-picking stats. Looking at FICA and ignoring other taxes.


"Both sides" belonging to an erroneous dichotomy model I don't buy at all.


You'll rarely go wrong playing to people's fears.


To presume that Obama is any different from any other politician is (pardon the expression) stupid.

Methinks me hit a nerve with T-Shoes. I agree there are many more taxes than just income tax. See how reasonable I am? I'm rather agreeable. Due to time constraints one cannot always communicate all thoughts on a topic in one post.

 

[EagleSmack]

And as for the Affordable Care Act... raise those premiums and cancel those policies we were supposed to have been able to keep. Raise them to the roof and track down everyone and anyone who does not sign up or pay their "fair share".

Millions of people are losing their health care and will now be forced on the government exchanges. And if they have any sort of income they are going to pay dearly. Raise them higher and higher.

 

[cj44]

I'm from Massachusetts... I pay a lot in taxes in both state and federal and local. So those roads, sewers, cops and firefighters, military etc. is not free stuff given to me. I pay for them as do many taxpayers. I pay for my own food, phone, housing, etc. I've been paying since I've been able to work at 16.

So don't tell me the road I drive on (etc) is free and a gift to me... an entitlement.

Precisely. If we are the ones paying the taxes, there darn well better be a road for us to drive on. The pavement is NOT an entitlement. The pavement has been brought to citizens and paid for by taxpayers. WE OWN THE ROADS!!!!!!!

 

[JLM]

I think they pretty much have every scheme covered.

Let me know if any of them work. -

 

[EagleSmack]

By what do I mean such people? I'm sorry, I didn't understand your first sentence. Your liberal governor, by the way, is wrong.

People who are quite capable of work... but find living off the government teet quite adequate.

I don't agree that it's a "career choice."

Around here it is. It is quite comfortable to drop out of the rat race and collect the myriad of benefits and perks from our state and federal govt. Sure you won't get your second house on the Cape but all the leisure time you could want with plenty left over for a state subsidized vacation. I have a link for that if you don't believe me.

Yep. It's not very difficult. Those who are capable of working and cannot find work should be employed by the government (don't take a doctorate to pick up trash) under terms that encourage them to find other work.

Mentioning that around here would call you mean spirited... against women and children... possibly even a racist! They wouldn't care if you were Native American... Liz Warren shut the local Native Americans right the F*** up when they tried to stand up to her.

Let me know if any of them work. -

I'm not sure I follow.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Mentioning that around here would call you mean spirited... against women and children... possibly even a racist! They wouldn't care if you were Native American... Liz Warren shut the local Native Americans right the F*** up when they tried to stand up to her.

Remind me to give a damn what people call me.

 

[EagleSmack]

And for those who think it is only Red States that are screwing this up...

This morning's news...

150,000 Massachusetts residents thus far have been notified they will be losing their healthcare coverage... Only 1% have signed up for the Obamacare Exchanges... None have been approved... none.

Massachusetts... it doesn't get more Blue

 

[EagleSmack]

ACA is setting in...

Dem. Rep.: 'I Think the President Was Grossly Misleading to the American Public' | The Weekly Standard

What a disaster.

They are setting up the next lie as well...

Who counts as an Obamacare enrollee? The Obama administration settles on a definition.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ministration-settles-on-a-definition/?print=1

 

[Locutus]

via http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/this-is-awkward-54.html#comments

This Is Awkward


You lie because your premiums will be higher," one navigator advises an investigator for O'Keefe's Project Veritas, who tells the worker he sometimes smokes. "Don't tell them that. Don't tell 'em."



CAUGHT ON TAPE: Obamacare Navigators Counsel Applicants to "Lie" - YouTube

 

[EagleSmack]

Lies, fraud, corruption... and it has just started.

Great.

 

[darkbeaver]

Lies, fraud, corruption... and it has just started.

Great.

The program you mean?

By that you mean the people who receive benefits and do not contribute. I live among them, I see them in the grocery store, I read of them in papers. Our liberal governor calls these instances anecdotal. But from his mansion and cocktail parties he turns a blind eye to them. It is far more than anecdotal... it is widespread. Their numbers are growing.

In our state being completely dependent on state and federal welfare and entitlements is a career choice. Free (or subsidized) housing, food, phones, day care, free school breakfast and lunch, the list goes on.

And I am no fan of millionaire, or six figure corporate execs getting their bonuses subsidized by the tax payers either but our government was unable or unwilling to stop that. I'm no fan of pork projects either.

It is all sickening.



What benefits do I receive that I have not contributed my money to?

Gay marriage.

 

[Locutus]

More Than 1M Californians Having Insurance Cancelled Due To ACA

Calif. Insurance Commissioner: More Than 1M Californians Having Insurance Cancelled Due To ACA « CBS Sacramento


Bravo barry, bravo.

 

[Walter]

The Truth about Navigators | National Review Online

 

[gopher]

Sarah Palin Explains Her Obamacare Alternative



Sarah Palin Explains Her Obamacare Alternative -- Daily Intelligencer








''"The plan is to allow those things that had been proposed over many years to reform a health-care system in America that certainly does need more help so that there's more competition, there's less tort reform threat, there's less trajectory of the cost increases, and those plans have been proposed over and over again. And what thwarts those plans? It's the far left. It's President Obama and his supporters who will not allow the Republicans to usher in free market, patient-centered, doctor-patient relationship links to reform health care. " ''






Brain dead Jabberwocky.

 

[Walter]

Sarah Palin Explains Her Obamacare Alternative



Sarah Palin Explains Her Obamacare Alternative -- Daily Intelligencer








''"The plan is to allow those things that had been proposed over many years to reform a health-care system in America that certainly does need more help so that there's more competition, there's less tort reform threat, there's less trajectory of the cost increases, and those plans have been proposed over and over again. And what thwarts those plans? It's the far left. It's President Obama and his supporters who will not allow the Republicans to usher in free market, patient-centered, doctor-patient relationship links to reform health care. " ''






Brain dead Jabberwocky.

English too hard for you to understand, Rodent?