Temporary Foreign Workers put 270 Canadians out of work

Should TFWs be allowed to replace skilled Canadians just to save labour costs?

  • Yes

    Votes: 3 12.5%
  • No

    Votes: 19 79.2%
  • Don't know

    Votes: 2 8.3%
  • Don't care

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
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PoliticalNick

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A foreign owned company can hire whoever the hell they please from wherever the hell they please.

Sure but if that company wants to operate and make money in Canada it should have Canadian workers, or at least a good percentage of them.

I think it depends on what the job is. Nearly all our management is American but none of the workers are although we were told by our union that if they couldn't fill all the positions they would bring in union workers from Washington and Oregon.

I'm just fine with bring in workers if they can't find enough Canadians. I would like to see half of the management Canadian too. Of course if they have to bring in workers from the states and house them etc they could bring them from Nfld or PEI too.

That's understandable, fewer hassles if the employee can talk the same lingo as the boss. -:)
Give your head a shake.

Actually this thread raises another question or two. First of all under our rights and freedoms aren't we allowed to hire people of our choosing and second- is a person's ethnicity any one else's business?

It isn't a question of ethnicity. Stop being stupid. It is a question about citizenship. I can agree with you that if someone is pulled of welfare to work an honest job and won't put out or toe the line then sure, fire their a$$ and they don't get assistance any more. As long as we have employable Canadian citizens sucking money from the system we should be forcing them to work and letting the foreigners get work in their homeland.

Someone mentioned landed immigrants. They have made proper applications and are in fact immigrants working towards citizenship so I have no problem with them working any job they can get. I have a problem with those on temporary work permits here for 1 or 2 years and shipping all their dough home anyway.
 

tay

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When Canadians go to work abroad the locals say the same thing.

Not being given any notice from Black & McDonald has UA pissed off.

Union or non-union, skilled Canadian workers are paid the same in heavy industry.



Canadians who work abroad are paid their regular rate which is higher than the prevailing rate in 99 % of those countries.

And they are usually there in a management/consulting role to get projects running, not being brought in at a lower rate to displace the citizens of that country...............



Whenever a new study or article comes out proving that the Canadian job market, compensation packages and standard of living are dwindling for most workers — especially young Canadians — the knee-jerk response from right-wing reactionaries is to sputter: ” Move to Alberta!” or "Go into the trades!" or "Go into the trades in Alberta!"

First, this is not a national economic plan. They are simplistic sermons by simple-minded blowhards who won’t let their ignorance hold them back from scolding others.

Second, many Canadians from across Canada have already taken those paths or are in the process of doing so, sometimes facing large roadblocks along the way.

Third, for many other Canadians, neither option is possible or realistic, for various reasons. A worker is a human being, not a robot to be shoved into whatever slot the capitalist master wants to put him or her, only to be yanked out and shoved into a different slot at a moment’s notice.

Fourth, many of those much-touted jobs will no longer be available to Canadians, because those jobs are being given to underpaid temporary foreign workers, under the Harper Conservative temporary foreign worker program.

The normally pro-Conservative newspaper Fort McMurray Today has revealed that on Labour Day 2013, about 270 pipefitters and welders at a Husky tarsands project came into work to be told that their services would no longer be needed.

An equal number of temporary foreign workers brought in by Saipem, a non-union Italian company specializing in oil and gas construction projects.

Over the next 30 days, dozens of temporary foreign workers from Mexico, Ireland, Portugal and Italy were arriving at the site 60 kilometres north of Fort McMurray, waiting for turnover.

By Sept. 27, the original workers —all contractors with Toronto-based Black & MacDonald— were gone.

How much more blatant could these greedy ****ers get? This is sickening! It is a slap in the face, a kick in the teeth, a spit in the eye … and totally predictable.

Any Alberta worker who thinks this was a mistake, one that the Conservative government will fix, is sadly deluded. Harper’s temporary foreign worker program is working exactly as planned. He and his cronies merely hoped the public wouldn’t catch on and raise a fuss
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In a previous post, I warned that this would happen. I argued that the Harper Conservatives hate Albertans, including those who work in the Alberta tarsands. I explained that the HarperCons and their provincial counterparts would be giving away Alberta’s valuable oil for next to nothing to American and Asian corporations; giving away Alberta’s jobs to mistreated foreign wage-slaves; and sticking Albertans with the bill to clean up the massive environmental destruction (or merely watching Albertans suffer without bothering to clean up the mess).

Whenever someone says the Conservatives are good for the economy or good for “the West”, that person is repeating a lie. Face it Albertans, you got conned!



 

Machjo

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I voted yes, as long as they pay their taxes as residents if they reside in Canada.

I don't believe in discrimination on the basis of nationality.

So long as there are unemployed Canadians there should be no TFW at all.

What if the Canadians are not qualified for the job? I say let the TFW work and pay their taxes towards training the unemployed Canadians to make them qualified too.

Also, if others can work in Canada, Canadians should be allowed to work abroad too.
 

tay

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I voted yes, as long as they pay their taxes as residents if they reside in Canada.

I don't believe in discrimination on the basis of nationality.



What if the Canadians are not qualified for the job? I say let the TFW work and pay their taxes towards training the unemployed Canadians to make them qualified too.

Also, if others can work in Canada, Canadians should be allowed to work abroad too.



Did you not read not only the Original Article on this thread or any others related to the issue?

That aside, why would you have to train the now unemployed Canadians who were doing the job, to do the job, when they trained the TFW's to do their jobs?

Oh, by the way, the Harper Cons have basically eliminated 'job retraining funds' from the EI program so these people will have to get trained at Tim Horton's to hand out coffee instead of their trade, welding.


And maybe Canadians can go work in China for a Dollar a day is not a solution.

I don't think you understand this about Canada joining the USA in the race to the bottom along with Free Trades.............
 

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Sure but if that company wants to operate and make money in Canada it should have Canadian workers, or at least a good percentage of them.



I'm just fine with bring in workers if they can't find enough Canadians. I would like to see half of the management Canadian too. Of course if they have to bring in workers from the states and house them etc they could bring them from Nfld or PEI too.


Give your head a shake.



It isn't a question of ethnicity. Stop being stupid. It is a question about citizenship. I can agree with you that if someone is pulled of welfare to work an honest job and won't put out or toe the line then sure, fire their a$$ and they don't get assistance any more. As long as we have employable Canadian citizens sucking money from the system we should be forcing them to work and letting the foreigners get work in their homeland.

Someone mentioned landed immigrants. They have made proper applications and are in fact immigrants working towards citizenship so I have no problem with them working any job they can get. I have a problem with those on temporary work permits here for 1 or 2 years and shipping all their dough home anyway.
My experience with people on work permits is that they can only stay for one year. There have been probably a dozen pass through our house in the last couple of years and all of them have been working at low paid jobs, mostly to finance their way around Canada. The only others I have met are from Jamaica and are working for a local farmer but it is more like OJT for them. They don't make a lot of money but they are learning a lot about farming.
 

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To play "Devil's advocate" here, Is there any chance the replacement workers have a better work ethic perhaps?

To answer, it is irrelevant. A legal hurdle must be cleared to bring in TFW's and nothing in the legislation measures something as subjective as work ethic. The problem with something like work ethic is that it quickly gets to include factors like, "Will they work unpaid overtime?"

My experience with people on work permits is that they can only stay for one year. There have been probably a dozen pass through our house in the last couple of years and all of them have been working at low paid jobs, mostly to finance their way around Canada. The only others I have met are from Jamaica and are working for a local farmer but it is more like OJT for them. They don't make a lot of money but they are learning a lot about farming.

Gee, for a guy who bragged he earns 3X as much as the rest of us you're taking in immigrant boarders, eh? Do they harvest your weed?
 

tay

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Jason Kenney promised a fix, the Accelerated Labour Market Opinion process was temporarily cancelled, and Kellie Leitch, then parlsec for Diane Finley of Human Resources, did such a bang-up job on Power and Politics saying they'd already fixed this - repeating talking points about Canadian jobs for Canadian workers five times in as many minutes - that Steve made her Minister of Labour.

PostMedia Oct 10, 2013 : Program for foreign workers could be restored

Employment Minister Jason Kenney says the government could soon resurrect a fast-track scheme that allows companies to bring temporary foreign workers to Canada more quickly. "highpaying, high-skill jobs, not fast-food franchises in booming Alberta that need foreigners to peddle burgers and doughnuts to oil workers.Of course not everyone has to apply for a ALMO first :

For example, the federal government has an agreement with Alberta to exempt welders, heavy-duty mechanics and iron workers from the process due to a shortage of skilled workers in those fields.A point I'm sure was not much comfort to the the welders and pipefitters at Husky Sunrise who were laid off this past Labour Day.


So what changed in the intervening six months?

Nothing. Kenney is right on schedule.

A Wall St Journal article in July reported corps were just waiting for the public backlash to blow over :

"To be sure, the halt in outsourcing is expected to be temporary, with experts and IT service providers expecting outsourcing projects to resume after six to eight months. CGI Group signed $12 billion in outsourcing contracts with various Canadian corporations, and IBM - $7 billion." 'After the RBC controversy, companies are waiting for things to die down. Banks are slowing down projects—they are keeping a low profile, while the tension over offshoring jobs blows over," said an executive from an outsourcing advisory firm who requested anonymity.' "And how is iGATE, the company that kicked off the Royal Bank controversy, faring ?

"Strong Second Quarter Results; Profits Up 136% " and they're planning on opening a new centre in Halifax.
 

tay

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One man has been arrested at the Sydney River bridge construction site, the scene of a third day of demonstrations by union workers.

The workers are saying that contractor Caldwell and Ross Ltd. has brought in non-union labour from New Brunswick to work on the bridge project.

Protests began Tuesday, when demonstrators stormed the work site. A court injunction then ordered the protesters from Labourers International Union Local 11-15 not to enter the construction zone again.

On Wednesday, many gathered outside the gates. Roughly 50 protesters returned Thursday. The injunction has been beefed up to prevent them from getting closer than 30 metres from the entrance.

Union leaders are seeking a meeting with transportation minister Geoff MacLellan.



Sydney River bridge protest leads to arrest - Nova Scotia - CBC News





 

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I would have thought this was illegal. Alberta has a Canadians first policy as does Canada do they not? If this is true, then someone had better follow-up on the rules and regulations because I thought they had been "tightened up" by the government recently for this very reason. Am I wrong?? Or is this BS?
 

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I think you may have just hit on something there, Nick, ................. the root cause of many labour problems, not to mention a wide spread feeling among consumers these days that we are being ripped off. A year or so ago, I called a plumber to fix a leak. He spent less than 5 minutes here and charged me $85 and within a few months it was leaking again. (For less than $10 I now have the same wrench he used). I would amend "Canadians first" to "Canadians first as long the value obtained is equal to other competitors". I remember a time when we took pride in our work.
Amen to that JLM!

Regarding Karries sagacity and there was a time when Canadians took pride in their work.
 

petros

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$85 is standard call out for a plumber. A leak or a gas dryer install would still be $85 plus parts for the first hour.
 

CDNBear

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Union members stormed the site to forcibly remove non union workers?

They actually managed to scare a crane operator out of his crane when they stormed it?

Savages!

The police only arrest one protester?

And no one has a problem with any of that?

Where's the RCMP?

The outrage, all the media and reports of militants?
 

damngrumpy

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Not an easy subject. If they are going to bring in foreign workers they should be
paid the same with the same benefits. Better still our lazy governments hav not
kept up with training and apprentice programs and if they did we wouldn't have a
shortage of workers. There are some sectors of the economy that do need them
farming is an expample. If people in this country were willing to pay a fair price
for food there would be no need for them and Canadians would be willing to do
some of the jobs. Don't tell me about dairy and a few sectors where they have
commodity boards they are in the minority. We have large chains screwing with
profit margins and squeezing the farmers Everytime there is a trade deal our
government shafts the farm community. People are living in a world of dreams
until the world decides food will be as competititve as oil and that is less than a
decade away, In short the lack of loyalty to Canadian farmers will see farmers
returning the favor and selling their food to the highest bidder. Even worse the
foreign countries are buying up farmland and they will just ship the food home
leaving Canadians to get the scraps left over and it will serve them right.
Foreign workers is the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the problems we are
about to face. Live well now 2008 was postponed not fixed and the second
shoe will drop soon.
 

Sal

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That sounds fair. IF, you stop allowing Canadians to work abroad.

It is senseless to write one set of rules for our industry, while we take advantage of other countries' industry.

I personally know more than 10 guys who work overseas. Why is that allowed?
Because it is up to other countries to set their own hiring policy. Perhaps they do not have the bodies, or a zillion other factors. We need to protect our own people, they (other countries)can worry about their standards.
 

petros

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Union members stormed the site to forcibly remove non union workers?

They actually managed to scare a crane operator out of his crane when they stormed it?

Savages!

The police only arrest one protester?

And no one has a problem with any of that?

Where's the RCMP?

The outrage, all the media and reports of militants?
How many cars did they burn with Molotovs? How many had guns? Any children kicking about? NSW Police turf.
 

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Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
FYI: Which Came First, The Chicken Or The Egg? | Popular Science
Chickens, as a species, became chickens through a long, slow process of evolution. At some point, a chicken-like bird produced an offspring that, due to some mutation in its DNA, crossed the threshold from mere chicken likeness into chicken actuality. That is to say, a proto-chicken gave birth to a real-life official chicken. And since that real-life official chicken came out of its own egg, we can say that the egg came first.

Another way to look at the question would be to ask which came first in evolutionary history. Once again, the egg takes precedence. Many characteristics of the modern avian egg—namely an oblong, asymmetrical shape and a hardened shell—were in place before birds diverged from dinosaurs about 150 million years ago. "A lot of the traits that we see in bird eggs evolved prior to birds in theropod dinosaurs," says Darla Zelenitsky, of the University of Calgary.

Another key moment in the history of avian eggs occurred at least 150 million years before that, when a subset of four-limbed vertebrates evolved to produce amniotic eggs. The embryos within the eggs were surrounded by three fluid-filled membranes that provide nourishment, protection, and a way to breathe. The earliest amniotic eggs contained large amounts of yolk, says James R. Stewart, a reproductive physiologist at East Tennessee State University. "You still see that in birds, crocodilians, and snakes," he explains. Like other placental mammals, we humans lost our yolk somewhere along the line, but our eggs still come with a vestigial yolk sac.
 

petros

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Well than, your questions are irrelevant. Awesome you figured that out for yourself.
Molotovs, arms, bladed weapons, shots fired and burned property is very relevant. Hence the highly varying degrees of outrage and disappointment.

As for the idiots in Sydney, when they get out of the pokey or through the courts, they can go work (if they pass the drug pre-screening) for the non-union companies.

F*ck 'em.

Is that enough rage for ya?