Post #70 sure doesn't read like gerry's words, and I've been reading and talking to him a long time. Looks like misquoting to me.
You’re missing my point. Once again you are ignoring the parts that don’t fit your rant. Read my lips carefully.
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I eliminated paragraphs that weren’t worth responding to, I didn’t misquote you. I left your words on the screen. Yeah, I know – pathetic, but your words are all we get to work with.
The words are Tober's own, it's a part of his reply. He's just being really, really sloppy with the quote box.
But it's misleading and I think it should be corrected with an edit.
and here we go.....................................................................
and she shouldn't be dressing like a ****, and she shouldn't be teasing, and she shouldn't be....... and she shouldn't have..........
it's amazing the number of excuses a guy can come up with as to why it's her fault.
.... if ya wanna sue the lad, be my guest sir.
Drunk is one thing,there are different degrees of drunk, unconscious is a whole different think. Any goomer that would do a chick that was unconscious should have his nads nailed to a stump !
There are many cases that we can find double standards, and that's normal, and acceptable to me. Nature never has been politically correct, or fair, or balanced, or equal.
With that comes more power....
Post #70 sure doesn't read like gerry's words, and I've been reading and talking to him a long time. Looks like misquoting to me.
Sounds pretty funny to me. Who is he gonna sue? A site name? Who was slandered - a site name? Who's gonna pay? Not the site.
Ignoring parts that don't fit rants. Considering that this thread is about the topic of women being raped, I can't help but feel that you are the one ignoring parts that don't fit rants, seeing as how you continue to suggest that they're not rapes.
Like I said in a previous post to Nick, the knee jerk response speaks volumes, and you're yelling loudly.... rape=women crying wolf. And you're even going so far as to scream it in CapsLock
You and I have talked about this in the past. How she dresses or act is irrelevant. No means no. If you got your d ick in her and she says stop it becomes rape if you continue.
The point I make here is just because she can't remember saying yes doesn't make it rape. In fact if she can't remember it might be rape but it can't and shouldn't be prosecuted unless there is evidence she was drugged against her will.
If you mean the stuff I quoted, look harder.
No, you stuck shyte in that I never said. Here is the quote that you attributed to me.
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryh
LOL – emotions sure are getting wrought up quickly. This really is a no-brainer topic, but emotions are quickly driving some people into making extreme assumptions. If a person is semi-conscious or unconscious at the time somebody has sex with them then yes a presumption of sexual assault would arise. But the mere fact of a one person being as drunk or drunker than another does not make either person a rape victim just for having sex. Did you notice how I used all gender neutral words? When you think of it that way it is obvious. I doubt that very many women would want to be considered “rapists” (the old term) if they do something to a semi-conscious unconsenting partner, but some here are quick to want to do that to men.
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Most of the above I did not write
No kidding? The only thing you wrote was the definition of misogynist. Everything in blue above that was my post. I didn’t attribute it to you, I wrote it.
Quote: Originally Posted by tober
I eliminated paragraphs that weren’t worth responding to, I didn’t misquote you. I left your words on the screen. Yeah, I know – pathetic, but your words are all we get to work with.
No kidding? The only thing you wrote was the definition of misogynist. Everything in blue above that was my post. I didn’t attribute it to you, I wrote it.
You and I have talked about this in the past. How she dresses or act is irrelevant. No means no. If you got your d ick in her and she says stop it becomes rape if you continue.
The point I make here is just because she can't remember saying yes doesn't make it rape. In fact if she can't remember it might be rape but it can't and shouldn't be prosecuted unless there is evidence she was drugged against her will.
You're letting your emotions get carried away. Read carefully. I only said that just because" a woman is drunk doesn't make sexual intercourse involuntary. I didn't say passed out or comotose. I merely said drunk. You sound quite radical.
My response isn't knee jerk. All I said is that intoxication in and of itself does not mean rape. You are assuming that we are talking about women too smashed to know what they're doing. I was careful to avoid referring to that extreme a situation. Nor have I accused anybody of crying wolf - I haven't made any accusations of misconduct. You are assuming an extremist situation that I deliberately avoided mentioning. I wanted to see who would stay rooted in common sense and who would go extremist.
Most of the "stuff you quoted" was not said by me, even though you attributed it to me through the quote.
You find double standards acceptable?
Sounds to me like you want power. Sad, man. You have enough power to make a decent life. What do you want more power for - to hurt people?
Nope, but you are an idiot.Liar
Even more asinine than calling me a liar. Which act do you refer to? That she can't remember? That isn't an act. Or are you referring to her being drugged against her will? Which would be the act of another.Here's one "act" that isn't "irrelevant" it seems.
Do you see where it says 'posted by gerry'....that implies Gerry posted it. When you post, make sure that only the person's words are in the quote.
The fact of the matter is, it's a discussion surrounding rape, and your reaction is to come in and say that maybe rape isn't rape after all if it's not rape.
Seriously, we all know sometimes women get drunk and it's not rape, that's not what this thread was about.