College Women: Stop Getting Drunk

[karrie]

Normally Gerry I would agree but there has to be some responsibility on females sometimes. You saying a woman bears no responsibility for her own actions once again shows your chauvinism and mysoginistic belief.

I'm not saying there aren't legitimate rape cases. I'm saying there are circumstances surrounding use of alcohol and drugs by both parties where responsibility has to be born by both. Giving a woman free reign to get drunk or stoned to the point of not remembering and then cry rape is not tteaching personal responsibility or promoting equality.

The problem is Nick, where do you draw the line? What are your cut-offs? What point in his drunkenness does it turn criminal? What point in her drunkenness is it now her fault? What scenarios are permissible? Which ones are rape? If a woman wakes up bruised and covered in semen, is she allowed to go to police or not? If a man wakes up having been violated, is he? What exactly are your rules?

I can't help but think many people think very black and white, cut and dry, when it comes to rape, and haven't actually had the horror of sitting down to hear women talk about the ways they've been raped. humanity is horrifically inventive.

What I am also saying is she is not allowed to use the excuse of loss of control or memory to call rape when at the time she was willing.

In every single crime under the sun, there are people who cry wolf and abuse the system. So no, what you are saying is not just 'what you are saying'. The instant the issue of rape comes up, there are a certain group of people, who immediately start talking about these women who cry wolf. You know full well, that when EVERY time the issue comes up, and the message is the same, that it means THAT is the message. From what I've seen from many people, their repeated message is rape=women cry wolf.

 

[Liberalman]

Women who dress modestly instead of like a w*ore will have less problems

 

[Nuggler]

If you need booze to get laid, you've got huge problems.

Candy is dandy, but likker is quicker. (Oscar Wilde)

 

[Sal]

Women who dress modestly instead of like a w*ore will have less problems

no they won't

 

[Blackleaf]

absolutely. seems to be a less prevalent issue though, for whatever reason.

As I said, women today aren't expected to take responsibilty for their own actions.

Whenever a woman commits a crime excuses are always trotted out and she gets a lenient sentence.

Females today are also a lot louder and more annoying than they used to be.

. One problem is that doing so is hard when there is still so much gender injustice towards women around - especially in wages..

Until women start working as long as men in total in their working lives, and until the unfair laws which state that women get to retire EARLIER than men despite the fact that women live LONGER than men are abolished and women, quite rightly, are made to retire later than men, then men, quite rightly, will get paid more than women.

The wage gap is fair because of those reasons. Just like female tennis players at Wimbledon, females expect to get paid the same as men despite doing less.

 

[wulfie68]

I think the guys need to own up to the fact that we do have more "outs" in this whole scenario. I'm speaking about generalizations and averages, not to the exceptions that we all know are out there.

1) Body mass vs the effects of alcohol - we males are larger, we are stronger, with more muscle mass, thus it does take more alcohol to affect us.
2) Social habits - especially when dealing with late teens and early 20s, men tend to drink more than women do, and thus build up more tolerance to the effects.
3) the physiological effects of excessive drinking - if a guy drinks to the point where he blacks out, most of the time the equipment won't work (whiskey d*ck is real, regardless of what some blowhards try to claim). With a woman, the bodily parts can always be made to function.

Now I agree with the statement that a woman who gets totally drunk is engaging in high risk behaviour, and that it would be prudent to take precautions (i.e. if the girls are celebrating, do it in a venue that offers some protections, have a sober friend/chaperone with, whatever) but that doesn't absolve her attacker by any means.

 

[SLM]

I think the guys need to own up to the fact that we do have more "outs" in this whole scenario. I'm speaking about generalizations and averages, not to the exceptions that we all know are out there.

1) Body mass vs the effects of alcohol - we males are larger, we are stronger, with more muscle mass, thus it does take more alcohol to affect us.
2) Social habits - especially when dealing with late teens and early 20s, men tend to drink more than women do, and thus build up more tolerance to the effects.
3) the physiological effects of excessive drinking - if a guy drinks to the point where he blacks out, most of the time the equipment won't work (whiskey d*ck is real, regardless of what some blowhards try to claim). With a woman, the bodily parts can always be made to function.

Now I agree with the statement that a woman who gets totally drunk is engaging in high risk behaviour, and that it would be prudent to take precautions (i.e. if the girls are celebrating, do it in a venue that offers some protections, have a sober friend/chaperone with, whatever) but that doesn't absolve her attacker by any means.

As always, the voice of reason.

 

[Blackleaf]

2) Social habits - especially when dealing with late teens and early 20s, men tend to drink more than women do, and thus build up more tolerance to the effects.

I can blow that theory straight out of the water, at least where Britain is concerned.

Binge-drinking teenage girls knock back more alcohol than boys​

By SAM GREENHILL
22 July 2007
Daily Mail​

Shock:Teenage girls are drinking more than boys​

Teenage girls are regularly knocking back more alcohol than boys, a survey has revealed.​

Nearly a quarter of girls aged between 14 and 15 admit they get drunk at least once a week, compared with a fifth of boys.​

They are typically choosing drinks with a higher alcohol content, such as spirits, over wine and beer, which boys favour.​

The research is likely to fuel concerns over the Government's failure to curb heavy drinking among teenagers, who are some of the worst in Europe for drunkenness and binge-drinking.​

Girls are drinking more alcohol than boys, and are drinking stronger alcoholic drinks than boys​

The latest trend was identified by the Schools Health Education Unit, which questioned more than 20,000 children about their drinking habits.​

Although it has been conducting similar research since the 1990s, this is the first year that 14 and 15-year-olds have been asked how often they get drunk.​

Strong alcoholic spirits are girls' favourite drinks, whilst boys' favourite is beer, with its much smaller alcohol content. British kids are amongst the biggest drinkers of alcohol in Europe​

The study found that 23 per cent of 14 and 15-year-old girls get drunk at least once a week, compared with 21 per cent of boys.​

Spirits are the most popular choice amongst teenage girls, with almost a fifth saying they consumed them every week, compared with just 13 per cent of boys.​

Of these, 28 per cent admitted to drinking five or more measures of spirits a week - up from 23 per cent in 1991.​

Boys' favourite drink is beer, with those admitting to drinking at least five pints a week soaring from 12 per cent to 35 per cent.​

Read more: Binge-drinking teenage girls knock back more alcohol than boys | Mail Online
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Now I agree with the statement that a woman who gets totally drunk is engaging in high risk behaviour, and that it would be prudent to take precautions (i.e. if the girls are celebrating, do it in a venue that offers some protections, have a sober friend/chaperone with, whatever) but that doesn't absolve her attacker by any means.

What if her attacker is also drunk?

 

[PoliticalNick]

The problem is Nick, where do you draw the line? What are your cut-offs? What point in his drunkenness does it turn criminal? What point in her drunkenness is it now her fault? What scenarios are permissible? Which ones are rape? If a woman wakes up bruised and covered in semen, is she allowed to go to police or not? If a man wakes up having been violated, is he? What exactly are your rules?

It has already been ruled on by the supreme court....

The "Drunkenness" Defence & Sexual Assault Law
July 2009

Canadian law has struggled with the degree of responsibility that can be attributed to someone who is drunk when he or she commits a crime.

Canadian law is hesitant to convict a person of a criminal act unless that person intended to commit the act. Typically, to secure a conviction a court must be convinced that a person committed a criminal act and intended to commit that act. The defence of drunkenness is used to argue that the person did not intend to commit the act and therefore should not be convicted of criminal behaviour. The theory is that a person who is so drunk they cannot form the intention to act should not be convicted. This is because of the importance the Canadian legal system ascribes to intent in the criminal law context.

Canadian law waivers on the application of this principle to serious criminal offences. This article traces the recent history of the “drunkenness defence” as it has been applied to sexual assault.

Although slightly unclear at the present time, the law seems to suggest that self-induced extreme intoxication is available as a defence to a charge of sexual assault. The state of the law of drunkenness as a defence to sexual assault reflects in part the failure of the criminal justice system to respond appropriately to violence against women.

R. v. Daviault

In 1994, the Supreme Court of Canada rendered an extremely controversial decision that prompted much public outcry and led many women's groups to question the court's approach. In R. v. Daviault, the majority of the court held that it would be unconstitutional to convict someone of sexual assault when they had become so drunk that they 'blacked out' and were unaware and/or not in control of their actions

The "Drunkenness" Defence & Sexual Assault Law

Now for me if she can describe in detail what happened it would be rape. As soon as she starts saying 'I can't remember' the case is over unless there is some proof she was drugged. These lines are obviously mitigated by the defense posted above.

 

[gerryh]

Now for me if she can describe in detail what happened it would be rape. As soon as she starts saying 'I can't remember' the case is over unless there is some proof she was drugged. These lines are obviously mitigated by the defense posted above.

So, nicks MO is, get her blitzed outa her tree so there is no way she'll remember exactly what happened and then fu ck her brains out. We now know what nicky's friday and saturday nights have been all about.

and, of course, I'm the misogynist.

 

[karrie]

It has already been ruled on by the supreme court....


The "Drunkenness" Defence & Sexual Assault Law

Now for me if she can describe in detail what happened it would be rape. As soon as she starts saying 'I can't remember' the case is over unless there is some proof she was drugged. These lines are obviously mitigated by the defense posted above.

So if she was so drunk that she was unconscious, she can't remember why she has bruises on her body, why her vulva, and anus are torn, and the guy can prove he was drunk when he did whatever caused the physical damage, then it's all a wash?

 

[PoliticalNick]

So, nicks MO is, get her blitzed outa her tree so there is no way she'll remember exactly what happened and then fu ck her brains out. We now know what nicky's friday and saturday nights have been all about.

and, of course, I'm the misogynist.

You should be careful about tossing accusations like that about. Even on an internet forum there are still libel and slander laws G.

Yes you are a mysoginist. Y have proven it many times with your posts on here. I on the other hand am a realist and believe in equality including equal personal responsibility for ones own actions.

So if she was so drunk that she was unconscious, she can't remember why she has bruises on her body, why her vulva, and anus are torn, and the guy can prove he was drunk when he did whatever caused the physical damage, then it's all a wash?

Apparently so according to the precedent.

My opinion is she has to bear responsibility for getting herself unconscious drunk in the first place. I know it sounds cold but you cannot alleviate all responsibility based on gender. You can't run out onto a busy freeway and then blame only the driver who ran over you.

We seem to have arrived at a place where the female is allowed to get into any state of intoxication she likes and be absolved of responsibility whereas the male is always responsible regardless of intoxication. It is an unfair double standard and unfair interpretation of the law and unconstitutional.

Personally in outright cases of rape I would like to see tougher sentencing, throw away the key, make it a capital offense, but in the he said - she said situations we are talking about where parties have voluntarily got heavily intoxicated there needs to be responsibility on both sides.

 

[gerryh]

You should be careful about tossing accusations like that about. Even on an internet forum there are still libel and slander laws G.

Go for it, you are the one that posted the out for the males, I'm just expanding on that.

Yes you are a mysoginist. Y have proven it many times with your posts on here.

Those laws apply both ways, or are you also immune to these laws as well?

 

[karrie]

Apparently so according to the precedent.

My opinion is she has to bear responsibility for getting herself unconscious drunk in the first place. I know it sounds cold but you cannot alleviate all responsibility based on gender. You can't run out onto a busy freeway and then blame only the driver who ran over you.

We seem to have arrived at a place where the female is allowed to get into any state of intoxication she likes and be absolved of responsibility whereas the male is always responsible regardless of intoxication. It is an unfair double standard and unfair interpretation of the law and unconstitutional.

Personally in outright cases of rape I would like to see tougher sentencing, throw away the key, make it a capital offense, but in the he said - she said situations we are talking about where parties have voluntarily got heavily intoxicated there needs to be responsibility on both sides.

What you're talking about isn't just the equivalent of running out in the road, it's also the equivalent of being hit by a car while walking down the sidewalk, but because you were too drunk to react fast enough, you're held responsible. it's also the equivalent of being in your living room drunk, when someone drives through your house. But, because you were drunk, they're off the hook. It's no one scenario, and the law doesn't, and can't, try to treat it as such.

Your theory regarding the way these cases are prosecuted doesn't hold true in the real world. I see no rash of men being tried for drunken sex with their girlfriends. Lawyers decline taking cases to court all the time due to lack of ability to prosecute. Women are told often 'sorry, we can't move forward with this'.

 

[petros]

The best way to get laid is to learn to cook, vacuum and use a washer/dryer/iron.

 

[karrie]

The best way to get laid is to learn to cook, vacuum and use a washer/dryer/iron.

And a bar of soap and a toothbrush.

 

[petros]

Taking care of yourself in general.

No woman wants a man who can't take care of themselves or their home.

 

[PoliticalNick]

Go for it, you are the one that posted the out for the males, I'm just expanding on that.

I didn't post an out for men. In a legitimate rape case I would like to see him shot and castrated then hung as an example. What I don't agree with is a free pass to women based on gender. They have to be responsible for themselves and their actions, not be allowed to call foul based upon regrets or memory loss that was self-inflicted.

Those laws apply both ways, or are you also immune to these laws as well?

Quite a large difference between calling somebody a misogynist and a sex-offender. I'm sure you small, narrow mind has trouble grasping that but at least try.

 

[petros]

I didn't post an out for men. In a legitimate rape case I would like to see him shot and castrated then hung as an example.

If it were for an example it would only take one wouldn't it?

10 - 20 years in the pokey is an excellent example but it's not working is it?

 

[karrie]

I didn't post an out for men. In a legitimate rape case I would like to see him shot and castrated then hung as an example. What I don't agree with is a free pass to women based on gender. They have to be responsible for themselves and their actions, not be allowed to call foul based upon regrets or memory loss that was self-inflicted.
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Women do not get a free pass based on gender. When they are accused of rape, them being drunk is not an excuse either.