Eco-Terrorist Suzuki at it again.

taxslave

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What does that have to do with what I said? A person cannot get through the day without doing some kind of work. I didn't learn what work was until I dropped out of the rat race. There all kinds of rewarding labour that a person can engage in. It does not have to be destructive to our life support system.

What you call the ratrace is what keeps the economy going and your pension cheque coming in. And someone has to extract the resources that keeps the multitudes in the cities living the lifestyle they demand even while protesting the very work that keeps them going.

While I admit the Oilsands cirremtly in development look nasty, nobody seems to want to admit that when they're finished, the reclamation is incredibly good and is flourishing. Why isn't that part of the discussion??

All the feds have done is streamlined the environmental approval process. Why have a dozen different departments, federal and provincial, review the same thing? The environmental process is still the same - its going through the same process - its just that its been reduced to a more palitable size.

I guess environmentalists want 1000 people to do what 100 could do just as well. Well, its Canadian tax dollars and I want it spent wisely. I encourage environmental reviews - we need them to ensure that things stay on track but I want it done responsibly and economically as well. But what's money to Suzuki - he has lots of it himself. I don't see him reducing his lifestyle a bit. I guess what happens doesn't apply to him. No matter what Harper (or any government that is pro business) but especially Harper does, Suzuki and his ilk would be against it. He simply hates the fact that a government just doesn't automatically bow his his line of thinking. He'd prefer it if everyone just genuflected to his "intellectual verbage" and superior ego. Afterall, he's a "super star" isn't he?

JMHO

The environmentalists like Suzuki are simply con artists as far as I'm concerned. They hate the fact the the current federal government is pro business, especially since its Harper. But I suspect they'd have the same reaction if it wasn't Harper but a government still pro business. After all, they really don't "work" for a living relying on "foundations" and gullible people to send money to these foundations in order to fill their pockets.

Take Suzuki for example - in fact, take his lifestyle - not many of us have the pleasure. He's a hypocrite of the first order.

The federal government streamlined the environmental approval process but the process itself has not changed. Suzuki just wants 1000 people to do what 100 could do easily. Rather than stating that fact, they'd rather state that the government has reduced environmental reviewing which is patently false. I suppose, like anything else, you say something repeatedly and often enough, people believe it. Makes me mad.

JMHO

I've tried posting twice with a failry lengthy diatribe only to lose it. I'm not sure why - I hit the PQR button and bam - it was gone. I'm not doing it again so all I can say is this...Suzuki Sucks! lol

JMO

Oh, there it is!! Sorry!

The ecoterrorists like all the duplication in environmental reviews simply because the whole process gets bogged down in government inertia. Also some of them make money off of grants and donations to protest at each event. Somehow their jetting from protest to protest does not create a carbon footprint.
 

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No he's not, the reason that Harper and his yes men keeping trying to plug any objective sources on climate change and CO2 is they know their base is effectively gone when we start addressing the true issues.

What a laugh... Without exception, all of the 'objective sources' have been undermined by the reality that they have been disproven and/or were based on questionable foundations to begin with.

By the by, high profile ideologues like Suzuki, Gore and the IPCC are a laughing stock.

What you call the ratrace is what keeps the economy going and your pension cheque coming in. And someone has to extract the resources that keeps the multitudes in the cities living the lifestyle they demand even while protesting the very work that keeps them going.

Ain't it grand how all the proponents and supporters of AGW say that any development or provision of energy (oil/coal) MUST stop; but only after their individual needs are met?


The ecoterrorists like all the duplication in environmental reviews simply because the whole process gets bogged down in government inertia. Also some of them make money off of grants and donations to protest at each event. Somehow their jetting from protest to protest does not create a carbon footprint.

The actual worker bees in the eco movement are too stupid and indoctrinated to understand that they are no more than just free labour for the lobbies.

Kinda sad that they do not possess the collective intelligence to see that
 

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The actual worker bees in the eco movement are too stupid and indoctrinated to understand that they are no more than just free labour for the lobbies.

Kinda sad that they do not possess the collective intelligence to see that


In many ways they remind me of the gullible that send their life savings to TV preachers. They desperately want to do some good but have absolutely no clue what they are doing, basing decisions on emotions only.
 

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No he's not, the reason that Harper and his yes men keeping trying to plug any objective sources on climate change and CO2 is they know their base is effectively gone when we start addressing the true issues. Suzuki isn't an objective source in many ways, he's a celebrity now not a scientist, but I agree with not building the Keystone XL so we can keep oil sands development going.

Business and political leaders who ignore the best evidence out of self-interest aren't real leaders in my opinion. We lack any high profile leaders with any real vision on this continent right now and things are likely to get really ugly as a result.
We don't want Keystone XL because the tar sands are bad. But you can still send the tar to Texas refineries by rail because well we don't like that dirty tar sands oil. Makes sense to me.
 

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I don't think Suzuki classifies as a terrorist. That's a pretty extreme view if you ask me. The problem, as always, is intransigent idealogues on the extremes preventing anything from moving. There can't be any serious discussion because you get your Ezra Levants and your David Suzukis clogging the airwaves with their rants and diatribes.

I'm a pro-business environmentalist. Considering teh scale of operations they should be commended for just how small local impacts are. I think the threat of the oilsands has been over-rated and it's unfairly become iconic of a larger struggle. That said, with respect to Enbridge Northern Gateway, I'm getting these commercails about Canada's "world-class" oil spill response, yet I know the Conservatives gutted their capability in that regard. You can't just say that you're acting in an environemtnal responsible manner; you actually have to do something.
 

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I don't think Suzuki classifies as a terrorist. That's a pretty extreme view if you ask me. The problem, as always, is intransigent idealogues on the extremes preventing anything from moving. There can't be any serious discussion because you get your Ezra Levants and your David Suzukis clogging the airwaves with their rants and diatribes.

I'm a pro-business environmentalist. Considering teh scale of operations they should be commended for just how small local impacts are. I think the threat of the oilsands has been over-rated and it's unfairly become iconic of a larger struggle. That said, with respect to Enbridge Northern Gateway, I'm getting these commercails about Canada's "world-class" oil spill response, yet I know the Conservatives gutted their capability in that regard. You can't just say that you're acting in an environemtnal responsible manner; you actually have to do something.

The government hasn't actually gutted the oil spill response they have rightfully shifted the cost from the taxpayer to those responsible. That is why there are businesses like BurrardClean around.
 

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The government hasn't actually gutted the oil spill response they have rightfully shifted the cost from the taxpayer to those responsible. That is why there are businesses like BurrardClean around.

Yeah they got rid of their west coast oil spill response team. Gone. There have been leaked memos form the BC government indicating that with the federal government gutting thier capability, they are not prepared for a major spill. The spiller is in a conflict of interest. As a public company theya re beholden to tehir shareholders. It is going to be in their interest to minimize the cost of response. Who will act as the trustee for public and private goods impacted--birds, fish, shellfish, coastlines, wetalnds, boats, houses? Who will decide when the clean-up is complete? We have government weather services, marine forecasters, research institutes, bird population biologists. With this government's muzzling of scientists, those people are going to be left twiddling their thumbs when they are needed. What if there is no spiller? What if it's a sunken vessel, or the company declares bankruptcy, or there are several parties invovled and none are accepting responsibility?

Sorry, not that simple.

It's obvious this federal government doesn't give a crap about the environment, and sticking comercials on TV about "world-class" response isn't fooling people in BC. We demand environemtnal responsibility because folks in BC value their environment, rely on it for its resources, nad besides, it's the right thing to do.
 

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A farmer discovered a huge oil spill — several times bigger than the recent Mayflower, Ark., spill – nearly two weeks ago in North Dakota. But because of federal government furloughs, we’re only just learning about it.

More than 20,000 barrels of fracked oil seeped from a ruptured pipeline over 7 acres of remote North Dakota wheat fields, oozing 10 feet into the clay soil and killing crops. Farmer Steven Jensen found the mess on his land on Sept. 29.

The National Response Center, which reports oil and chemical spills, posted an alert about the spill on its website this week. Reuters reports that the agency normally posts such reports within a day, but that its work has been stymied by the government shutdown.

But there’s really nothing to worry about, says Tesoro Logistics, the company responsible for the spill.



In remote field, North Dakota oil boom suffers first big spill | Reuters
 

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Yeah they got rid of their west coast oil spill response team. Gone. There have been leaked memos form the BC government indicating that with the federal government gutting thier capability, they are not prepared for a major spill. The spiller is in a conflict of interest. As a public company theya re beholden to tehir shareholders. It is going to be in their interest to minimize the cost of response. Who will act as the trustee for public and private goods impacted--birds, fish, shellfish, coastlines, wetalnds, boats, houses? Who will decide when the clean-up is complete? We have government weather services, marine forecasters, research institutes, bird population biologists. With this government's muzzling of scientists, those people are going to be left twiddling their thumbs when they are needed. What if there is no spiller? What if it's a sunken vessel, or the company declares bankruptcy, or there are several parties invovled and none are accepting responsibility?

Sorry, not that simple.

It's obvious this federal government doesn't give a crap about the environment, and sticking comercials on TV about "world-class" response isn't fooling people in BC. We demand environemtnal responsibility because folks in BC value their environment, rely on it for its resources, nad besides, it's the right thing to do.

Sorry but you can not blame this on Harper. The feds got rid of many services on the west coast long before Harper came to power. LIke manned lighthouses. Like DFO field staff. Like the mooring buoys in Spider Anchorage. Like coast guard stations. I think it is an Ottawa thing.
 

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The "eco" is economic. Does anyone have a butt plug handy to shut this treasonous cock sucker up?


Environmental activist David Suzuki was among a group of Canadians in Washington, D.C., today to urge U.S. President Barack Obama's administration to reject the Keystone XL pipeline, telling Americans that Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper can’t be trusted when it comes to climate change promises.

Members of the group were in a panel discussion sponsored by the Natural Resources Defense Council and titled “What happened to Canada?”



Delegation members met Thursday and were also meeting Friday with members of Congress and representatives from the State Department. They voiced opposition to TransCanada's proposed pipeline, which would link Alberta's oilsands to refineries in Texas but is still under review by the U.S. government.

The panelists said they are trying to inform Americans that dissent when it comes to Harper’s environmental policies isn’t allowed north of their border with Canada, and that Canadians haven't been allowed a real debate about the expansion of the Alberta oilsands, which they referred to as the tarsands.

They gave the “muzzling” of federal government scientists as an example of how Harper is trying to prevent an informed debate about climate change and the environmental impacts of pipelines.

“This government has systematically been suppressing the ability of our scientists to speak up,” Suzuki said. “Government scientists, paid by our tax dollars, are not allowed to speak to the press without first being vetted through the Prime Minister’s Office.”
A 'critical crisis' for Canada

Canadians aren't getting the scientific-based evidence they need to make big decisions, Suzuki said. “This is, I think, a critical crisis for Canada.”

In an interview after the talk, Suzuki said the government's claim that Canada is leading the world in fighting climate change can't be taken seriously, based on how it has undervalued the importance of science. He said Americans should know what's going on in Canada, particularly because of the steady stream of Harper cabinet members who visit Washington and advocate for the pipeline to be approved.
"Americans think of Canada as a country of fair play and they listen to our leaders with respect, and when our leaders come down and tell them stories, stories based on a total absence of science to support what they’re saying, I think it’s important that America understand the limit of what our so-called leaders are telling them,” he said.

Author and activist Tzeporah Berman said on the panel that she lives in a country she no longer recognizes. She said Harper has made a string of broken promises when it comes to climate change, and Americans shouldn't believe him when he or his ministers come to Washington and say development of the oilsands will be carried out in an environmentally friendly way.

“We’re arguing that Obama needs to refuse the Keystone XL pipeline both for America's own interest, and because our government cannot be trusted when it promises it will be a responsible project and will address the impacts of climate change,” she said.

While the small team of Canadians is trying to get its anti-Keystone message across in the U.S. capitol, Obama is hearing from some far more influential Americans. The CEOs of dozens of major companies, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the National Association of Manufacturers sent a letter Oct. 9 asking the president to approve TransCanada's project.

They said the pipeline is important to the fragile American recovery, and will affect investor confidence and American competitiveness.

"We know your Administration is carefully considering the environmental risks associated with Keystone XL, as it should. Those risks, like those incumbent in many other significant projects, must — and can — be managed, through appropriate regulation and careful stewardship," the letter stated.

Natural Resources Minister Joe Oliver said he was pleased to see American business leaders stand up for a project that will create jobs and energy security for both countries.
Oliver advocates for Keystone approval

"I have no comment on U.S. internal political matters. However, we believe that if the relevant facts are taken into consideration, the project will be approved on its merits," Oliver said in an email response.

Oliver said the U.S. needs to import an increasing amount of oil and that Canada is a "secure, environmentally responsible friend and neighbour."

At a news conference in Vancouver, Oliver was asked to what extent the ongoing U.S. government shutdown might be delaying the review.

He said he wouldn't comment on an internal American political matter, but that, "We continue to believe that if all the facts and science are considered, this project will ultimately be approved."

Oliver said people with different opinions have every right to express them, but that a lot of rhetoric is "unrelated to reality."
"We're sticking to the facts and we have a very strong story to tell," he said.

Canadian artist Franke James was also part of the panel in Washington, and her poster creations related to the oil industry and the environment are going up around city streets, in bus shelters and other spots.

"Canada is sacrificing democratic and human rights for oil industry profits," she said.

If he's a terrorist, should you not be reporting it to the RCMP rather than just wasting your time informing us here? What do you want me to do about it? I don't have anything on him. If you do, then turn it over to the RCMP pronto as is your legal duty.
 

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If he's a terrorist, should you not be reporting it to the RCMP rather than just wasting your time informing us here? What do you want me to do about it? I don't have anything on him. If you do, then turn it over to the RCMP pronto as is your legal duty.

Hmm, most interesting way to back Suzuki i have ever seen.
 

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If he's a terrorist, should you not be reporting it to the RCMP rather than just wasting your time informing us here? What do you want me to do about it? I don't have anything on him. If you do, then turn it over to the RCMP pronto as is your legal duty.


What I want you to do is organize a voucher system that provides passes to people which allow for the potential to affect a citizens arrest.

It will be your job to slap the bracelets on Suzuki and announce that you're doing this in the name of all Canadians nation wide
 

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Hmm, most interesting way to back Suzuki i have ever seen.

I'm not backing him. If he's a terrorist, then he needs to be reported.

What I want you to do is organize a voucher system that provides passes to people which allow for the potential to affect a citizens arrest.

It will be your job to slap the bracelets on Suzuki and announce that you're doing this in the name of all Canadians nation wide

Hmmm. I like the idea of voucher schools, since there are actually valid arguments in its favour.

however, how exactly would a voucher system work for citizen's arrest?
 

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Sorry but you can not blame this on Harper. The feds got rid of many services on the west coast long before Harper came to power. LIke manned lighthouses. Like DFO field staff. Like the mooring buoys in Spider Anchorage. Like coast guard stations. I think it is an Ottawa thing.

No they got rid of the west coast response team just under two years ago. They've recently laid off a third if the fisheries biologists in the area. They got rid a lot of the scientists who were responsilbe for environemtnal assessments, and those are now stage-managed by the PMO instead of being reviewed by scintists who are no longer around or who can't speak up anyway.

So yeah, I do blame this government. They have been particularly cynical on the environment. It's a policy that is coming back to haunt them. They can't get their pipelines through anywhere because they have rightfully acquired the reputation as environmental laggards.
 

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What makes you believe Canadian heavy oil is the tipping point for climate change allegedly induced by CO2?

I never said that.

I do believe we have a responsibility to do our part in a global effort to reduce the emission of CO2 to prevent catastrophic climate change.

We don't want Keystone XL because the tar sands are bad. But you can still send the tar to Texas refineries by rail because well we don't like that dirty tar sands oil. Makes sense to me.

None of it makes any real sense, it's a system running on inertia, not intelligent guidance. And when it eventually hits the wall the same spin machine that's been telling us there is no reason to be concerned is going to try and shift focus and all the blame.
 
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No they got rid of the west coast response team just under two years ago. They've recently laid off a third if the fisheries biologists in the area. They got rid a lot of the scientists who were responsilbe for environemtnal assessments, and those are now stage-managed by the PMO instead of being reviewed by scintists who are no longer around or who can't speak up anyway.

So yeah, I do blame this government. They have been particularly cynical on the environment. It's a policy that is coming back to haunt them. They can't get their pipelines through anywhere because they have rightfully acquired the reputation as environmental laggards.

As I said oil spill response is not a governmental responsibility and the feds rightfully got out of it. One less bit of state nannyism. This is purely a matter for private business. It is in the shareholder's best interests for management to ensure they have an adequate plan in place or they will rightfully be fined right into bankruptcy court and quite possibly criminal court as well.