Jesus names as evil those who think his Father would break heavenly law and have him
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So what you are REALLY saying Frenchie is:
A. If we torment God as a group he will pay attention to us?
which as three logical outcomes:
1. HE does,and toasts us all to a crisp for bugging HIM. Which may benefit you more than , say hunboldt or Petros.
2. he DOES, AND SAYS "MEH."
3. HE does, and quietly withholds his grace and Insight.
Russian Roulette with the Creator of the Universe? Pass.....
That was option 'B;, but you beat me to it....
How disappointing to see that my fellow Canadians are too self-centered to dither out why one of their own would fight a myth.
Sigh.
Regards
DL
You forget that God has lost a couple depending on how you see things.
He could not get out of heaven without Satan.
He could not get out of Eden without murdering A & E.
He could not Get out of the O T without using genocide and he admits in Job tha Satan moved him to do evil.
And when you add in God immoral nature, he is a complete loser.
Regards
DL
For evil to grow all good men need do is nothing and that is what you advocate.
You are not Canadian are you?
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DL
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Deuteronomy 24:16 KJV
16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children,neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall beput to death for his own sin.
Note that children, Jesus in this case, shall not be put to death for the father.
God has to shove his ransom request and step up himself from this law.
As to the eldest. Is the father not always older than the son?
Strange that you would ask though. Do you think sons should normally die before his parents?
Regards
DL
How disappointing to see that my fellow Canadians are too self-centered to dither out why one of their own would fight a myth.
Sigh.
Regards
DL
Ahh, no much as we love you we feel that you are running off the rails ...
Never said it was all by himself! -
There you go!
It's too bad Jack Ruby was allowed to die a natural death without having his nuts squeezed! -
Indeed. Myths, legends & fable are part and parcel of the devil's suitcase of deception. I say no more as I see I have irritated the troll bashing troll. Well, who are we kidding....If you dare you will come to find that God is most certainly is. Why do you suppose you have a seething intolerance toward the belief in God/afterlife etc.
Sounds like you are saying Nick is possessed by the devil. That sounds very judgmental. Naughty, naughty!
Cliffy - I said no such thing. That is not banter I would toss upon someone. I think all on this thread would do well to not read too much into plain english. Actually if we could stick to the plain and simple rather than delve into the obscure it may prove profitable to all of us.
I am not intolerant at all of the belief. If you need to have that crutch to get you through the day and give meaning to your life you are welcome to it. What I am intolerant of is people who are weak-minded and have bought into the great lie and think they need to preach it to everyone. Feel free to go to your church and rejoice in your idiocy with all the others who have a need for a greater power to explain the universe, but don't bring it to me because I don't need or want your stories and lies and threats. I have much sympathy for those who are fooled by religion but I do not hate them and have no problem with them rejoicing in their foolishness with other like-minded people, just leave me out of it.
I'd like to grab you by those cute little troll ears, pull you to my face eyebrow to eyeborw and bellow, "Brother, do you know Jesus?" But, I am guessing I would get bashed for that? And, oh contrar! It is not a weak mind that brings one to know God. You are indeed a likable feisty troll.
That a boy Nick, I don't know bugger all about this religious stuff but I know as much as one else does! -
I know a couple of guys named Jesus. One lives in Tuscon and the other is from Puerto Penesco. Neither are the son of god but one has a mother named Mary. :lol:;-)
In all fairness Nick, you came to CJ's thread. She didn't bring the e- threat to you, or any threat at all.. I have my differences with some of her message:
But I would not deny her the right to proclaim it to other adults.....
Do they know a girl named 'Evangelina"?
Evangelina lyrics
"Evangelina" And I dream in the morning she brings me water
And I dream in the evening she brings me wine
Just a poor man's daughter from Puerta Pinasco Evangelina in old Mexico
There's a great hot desert south of Mexicali
If you don't have water boy you'd better not go
Tequila won't get you across that desert to Evangelina in old Mexico
And the fire I feel for the woman I love is drivin' me insane
Knowing she's waiting and I can't get there
God only knows that I wracked my brain to try and find the way
To reach that woman in old Mexico
Some of them pronounce it Yay Zeus!
You do have a point there, but what is really mind boggling (which their perfect right) they believe this stuff!
See Eagle's post # 45. Predictably he posted the SOS he always does because he is incapable of thinking for himself.
*Sigh* You mean Jesus was saying it was not breaking a law, rather it was part of a plan, and we're bystanders.
Okay, so... Heavenly Father declared humans evil from birth by virtue of the evolutionary aspect of how they will kill anything to survive (as if HF told Moses much more about His origins at the burning bush)
So... HF (Heavenly Father) decides one day that maybe He should change the terms of agreement, and goes down to take a crucifixion-penalty on the level of what He had originally targetted at humans.
That's a big penalty for changing one's mind. Says something about the hyperspace situation of being a super-power launching judgement.
It means once He puts something into effect, even He has to work hard to head it off if He changes His mind.
That says something about the mechanics of time-space/matter-energy.
It means it goes up forever, and even God Himself can find Himself playing with fire.
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If we did something as easily as He does we would call it 'effortlessly' and we are even given the full list of the things that will get accomplished.
Isa:55:11:
So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth:
it shall not return unto me void,
but it shall accomplish that which I please,
and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
Jer:4:28:
For this shall the earth mourn,
and the heavens above be black:
because I have spoken it,
I have purposed it,
and will not repent,
neither will I turn back from it.
That holds God to a certain standard meaning He is also under something similar to 'law'. The 10 Commandments and the 'no not eat' laws are specific to man in the flesh in this current earth. Satan and all angelic beings are under law from when the universe was created 13BYA and they and men face a time where they are judgec to be perfected or not. For Angelic beings that is the time Satan has between being unchained and being in the fiery lake. God and the Holy Spirit and Christ are one level above that, when Judgment Day takes place the earth is without any life and the heaven is without any beings, everybody is in the 3rd heaven at that time. Angels are expected to obey their laws when they come to earth, God is expected to obey His Laws when He comes to earth. He is perfection and kind so anything He does has to end up being something that is perfect and is covered by emotions that are classified as being 'positive'.
The Law that Christ (and God as He is the head of the 3 unit family) would be the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit as God and her are the model used in Ge:1 for mankind when they were created as two parts yet can be called one flesh. If all our sins are forgiven but that one sin is never forgiven then that is one sine we cannot ever commit while in the flesh, if that is the case then it is means for somebody from the 2nd or 3rd heaven. The 1st heaven is from the surface of the earth and up to cloud height as defined in Ge:1, the 2nd heaven is for angelic beings and the moon is the first heavenly object that is above our clouds and it extends to the ends of the universe. Past that is the void and past that is the 3rd heaven and a law that would govern just 3 beings, a father, a mother and a child and the father and mother are 'one' so the child would be the ine under law, do not call your mother a liar of father will punish you. All beings in that realm are already perfected so sin is impossible, law is still there though.
M't:12:31:
Wherefore I say unto you,
All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men:
but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
M't:12:32:
And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man,
it shall be forgiven him:
but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost,
it shall not be forgiven him,
neither in this world,
neither in the world to come.
2Co:12:2:
I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago,
(whether in the body,
I cannot tell;
or whether out of the body,
I cannot tell: God knoweth
such an one caught up to the third heaven.
Heb:12:18:
For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched,
and that burned with fire,
nor unto blackness,
and darkness,
and tempest,
Heb:12:22:
But ye are come unto mount Sion,
and unto the city of the living God,
the heavenly Jerusalem,
and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb:12:23:
To the general assembly and church of the firstborn,
which are written in heaven,
and to God the Judge of all,
and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb:12:24:
And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant,
and to the blood of sprinkling,
that speaketh better things than that of Abel.