Faith Alone or and something...
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I do. You didn't like the process of being domesticated by your parents and guardians and blame Jesus your parent's cultural methods for child rearing and Christianity and now live feral in the woods
No you don't. I don't live feral and I quite like Jesus and his teachings. Religion has perverted those teachings, just like they did all the other great teachers.
Religion perverted it?. What has changed in Mass or the Scriptures from 2000 years ago to today?
You're blaming Religion for human nature and it's natural actions.
Did the Church tell your parents or grandparents to beat you to domesticate you?
Did the Church instruct the mother cat to swat her kitten for biting her tail or is that how animals (humans included) teach their kids right from wrong?
That's how it's done Cliffy long before Religion ever came into being.
You're blaming Religion for human nature and it's natural actions.
Did the Church tell your parents or grandparents to beat you to domesticate you?
Did the Church instruct the mother cat to swat her kitten for biting her tail or is that how animals (humans included) teach their kids right from wrong?
That's how it's done Cliffy long before Religion ever came into being.
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JLM - I assumed it was ok to discuss religion on this Religion/Philosophy thread. No one is twisting your arm to read what people write here. By the way, there are people that know more about religion than you or I & maybe it would be beneficial to hear what those people have to say.
Look at their conduct in the centuries before that, the blood on their hands is there by their own design as well as being in a partnership with barbaric Monarchies, England France and Spain and Italy being the main players.
well some call that humility... Personally i think that most megalomaniac tyrants correspond with some kind of occult spiritualism which denies all acknowledgement and responsibility to a 'personal God' and thereby to all His other creatures.
And raising a child without religion.. assuming he or she will develop their 'own moral code'.. means you are turning them over the the 'god' of television, the internet and the schoolyard.. with its glorification of utter irresponsibility to anything but material and sexual gratification.
There's ALWAYS a God in people's lives.. the more inchoate and amoral it is.. as say those of the pantheism of Native Spirituality.. the more damage and confusion it will plant in the child... uh.. even in the adult.
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well some call that humility... Personally i think that most megalomaniac tyrants correspond with some kind of occult spiritualism which denies all acknowledgement and responsibility to a 'personal God' and thereby to all His other creatures.
And raising a child without religion.. assuming he or she will develop their 'own moral code'.. means you are turning them over the the 'god' of television, the internet and the schoolyard.. with its glorification of utter irresponsibility to anything but material and sexual gratification.
There's ALWAYS a God in people's lives.. the more inchoate and amoral it is.. as say those of the pantheism of Native Spirituality.. the more damage and confusion it will plant in the child... uh.. even in the adult.
Many Indian religions are monotheistic.
Cliffy... what was that act you told me you did around that cop during a protest? I forgot what it was... sort of like a blessing of some sorts... a First Nation Blessing?
or you are in a period wher the gathering 'preference' is by 'word of mouth' (faith without proof, the OT was faith with proof starting with Moses))
Hate to be the bearer of bad news but at some point your going to have to accept what the term 'isle' really means in in the book you love to hate (due to false teachers rather than an corrupt beginning even if that is something you are fully aware of at this moment in time) If there is a singular God and all that ....
Smudging with sage. So what? Not sure what you are getting at. It is no different than using incense (frankincense and myrrh) at any religious ceremony.
or you are in a period wher the gathering 'preference' is by 'word of mouth' (faith without proof, the OT was faith with proof starting with Moses))
Hate to be the bearer of bad news but at some point your going to have to accept what the term 'isle' really means in in the book you love to hate (due to false teachers rather than an corrupt beginning even if that is something you are fully aware of at this moment in time) If there is a singular God and all that .... the tipping point is the holes outnumber the 'solid facts', that is when God sees you as a member of the 'isles' (a Gentile in 12 Tribe that survives and even flourishes as a child of the one called Jesus. The beginning of salvation for Gentiles began 3 1/2 years after the cross was a fact. Acts:10 is the reference you get to decide in which verse the transition takes place, if it takes place when life is still in the body. That is not a condition and never has been, 'seed' means 'all' not 'a few'. Priest to the Jews and the others associated with Moses and the 12 Tribes and King over all Gentiles goijng back as far as Adam and including all their children under the 'one flesh' rule. The one retrieved from death by drowning are still children of Eve and that is who God made the determinations on. The beginning was Ge:3:15 and the end is given in Re:12 where Eve is the first woman because Eve was the first woman, ... nuff said. The next woman in Re:12 should be taken as the 'seed of Eve' that gave birth to Jesus, the last is the ones who who have the attributes of the 'just' as that is the term used to describe the same ones after 1,000 years, that title is retired and the coat called 'perfected' is put on, once and forever.
PS it was the timer on the site and not the .234grms of pot.
Under Lumen Gentium The Santus Solara of Grace flowing through the Catholic church , like a big aqueduct, regularly hoses down all good Protestants and even splashes on on Cliffy and Dexter...
for, as the Second Vatican Council declared, "many elements of sanctification and of truth are found outside of (the Catholic Church's) visible structure".[27]
Meaning the Othodox, who get their own water works..I believe.
The "justification by faith alone" theory was by Luther styled the article of the standing and falling church (articulus stantis et cadentis ecclesiae), and by his followers was regarded as the material principle of Protestantism, just as the sufficiency of the Bible without tradition was considered its formal principle. Both of these principles are un-Biblical and are not accepted anywhere today in their original severity, save only in the very small circle of orthodox Lutherans. The Lutheran Church of Scandinavia has, according to the Swedish theologian Krogh-Tonningh, experienced a silent reformation which in the lapse of the several centuries has gradually brought it back to the Catholic view of justification, which view alone can be supported by Revelation and Christian experience (cf. Dorner, "Geschichte der protestantischen Theologie", 361 sqq., Munich, 1867; Möhler, "Symbolik", 16, Mainz, 1890; "Realencyk. fur prot. Theol.", s.v. "Rechtfertigung").
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06701a.htm
So we might get a St Jon Arason of Iceland after all...
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The Holy Roman Empire (Monarchies) controlled Rome not the other way around. There was no partnership.
Did you offer your bannock up to the creator before breaking off a chunk and offering it to the cops?
"THE FIRST GREAT 'POLITCALLY inconvenient truth' of the Middle Ages Petros.To the cloud mnds, the captivity at Avignon was a papal vacation.:lol:
That is a really good question. Sal. The Answer is "we don't know' which is a hard thing for Christians to say.
contextual constructs have been the Bane of Catholism.
Fro instance, we abandoned the concept of "limbo' where unbaptized babies went, in favour of " we simply don't know how God works it out, but we are secure in the knowledge that he doesn't abandon the newborn in His love."
Much healthier.
I still don't get where you are coming from. I did not use the sage in a religious ceremony. Smudging can be used by anyone, anywhere. Other than clearing energy (purification) I don't see any particular religious connotations. Anyway, that happened 20 years ago.
Clearing energy... purifying. Come Cliffy...smudging is not a disinfectant. I looked up what smudging was...
The Smudging Ceremony
"Sage is burned in smudging ceremonies to drive out bad spirits, feelings, or influences, and also to keep bad spirits from entering the area where a ceremony takes place. In Plains nations, the floor of the sweat lodge is frequently covered with sage, and participants rub the leaves on their bodies while in the sweat. Sage is also commonly spread on the ground in a lodge or on an altar where the pipe touches the earth. Some nations wrap their pipes in sage when they are placed in pipe-bundles, as sage purifies objects wrapped in it. Sage wreaths are also placed around the head and wrists of Sundancers."