If created perfect as scriptures say, why would we need salvation?

JLM

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In reality, none. It is all myth.

In the myth, all of it if you give Rome the dominion that they think they had in the holy land.

I do not see the relevance of the question.

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DL

The relevance of it is I don't think any Romans or Greeks were witnesses to the parting of the Red Sea or the whale swallowing Jonah or the construction and occupation of Noah's Arc.
 

French Patriot

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You don't know what you're looking for do you?

Yes I do.
I just don't know if it is the right thing.

Are you just good for throwing rock, bully, or do you have something to share?

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DL

The relevance of it is I don't think any Romans or Greeks were witnesses to the parting of the Red Sea or the whale swallowing Jonah or the construction and occupation of Noah's Arc.

I agree. As I said above, it is all myth.

We can't really know though. Tourists may have been about.

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DL
 

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I prefer the notion that claims we are cast off souls from the Tao and this is part of a natural cycle. This cycle takes eons to complete. The universe goes through an expansive period. All sentient and non-sentient beings evolve. In other words, what we see as non-sentient becomes sentient eventually. After all everything emanates from a sole mutual source. All species that do not reach the point of reincorporation with what some feel is :God. All that Is, Spirit, Allah ; whatever one considers the epitome of existence, return during the next expansive period. Each expansive period is followed by an period of rest. Eventually all that exists, evolves and incorporates into "all" In other words we/others are all gods becoming.

In between lives, we choose our next experience. We do not always succeed in fulfilling our ideals, we always learn from our errors. That is what existence is about.
 

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I prefer the notion that claims we are cast off souls from the Tao and this is part of a natural cycle. This cycle takes eons to complete. The universe goes through an expansive period. All sentient and non-sentient beings evolve. In other words, what we see as non-sentient becomes sentient eventually. After all everything emanates from a sole mutual source. All species that do not reach the point of reincorporation with what some feel is :God. All that Is, Spirit, Allah ; whatever one considers the epitome of existence, return during the next expansive period. Each expansive period is followed by an period of rest. Eventually all that exists, evolves and incorporates into "all" In other words we/others are all gods becoming.

In between lives, we choose our next experience. We do not always succeed in fulfilling our ideals, we always learn from our errors. That is what existence is about.
yes, agreed
 

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'Cuz nobody's perfect - even if they start out that way....

If you are saying that we are as perfect as we can be at this point in time and every point in time, then I agree.

That would make us evolving perfection and that is what I think of us as being.

It is logically demonstrable that that is what we are but most do not understand the concept, --- even as they cannot deny the logic trail.

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DL
 

hunboldt

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Nope- We are imperfect- It takes time to learn, to change and to grow.


AND evolve into mermaids...
 

bluebyrd35

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AND evolve into mermaids...


LOL Got that backwards I suspect. Mermaids and mermen exist in our legends, indicating they already have gained a place in our past reality, just like angels, devils, demons and I suspect vampires etc. Eventually we modify their forms or change them into forms we can live with. Change is the one basic in this life. We, individually and separately create our own realities.
 

Cliffy

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Nope- Julius Caesar died about 44 B.C. while Jesus Christ died about 30 A.D. Could have been his great Uncle!
Actually, all the titles assigned to Christ, Lord of Lords, King of Kings, were titles Julius Caesar gave to himself and all subsequent Caesars took the same titles. They also believed they were gods. Constantine also took those titles and it was he who gave those titles to the Christ (the deified version of Jesus). Christ is a title given to an enlightened one and does not mean a deity. Jesus was an enlightened human, not The Son of God, but a son of god, just the same way you and I are children of the creator god. (reference: multiple sources).
 

hunboldt

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LOL Got that backwards I suspect. Mermaids and mermen exist in our legends, indicating they already have gained a place in our past reality, just like angels, devils, demons and I suspect vampires etc. Eventually we modify their forms or change them into forms we can live with. Change is the one basic in this life. We, individually and separately create our own realities.

Possibly..... The mermaid 'kingdom ' is a fixture of pre Christian Indo European traditions, where the more advanced forms of life live in underwater colonies...Celtic gods and water goddesses, etc.

It's a function of a religion built on marshlands and clear rivers, rather than on desert traditions, where water sources dry up - get stagnant, and the sea is the 'terrifying mysterious' the abode of monsters and demons.

Sadko in the underwater kingdom, for instance:
 

hunboldt

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LOL Got that backwards I suspect. Mermaids and mermen exist in our legends, indicating they already have gained a place in our past reality, just like angels, devils, demons and I suspect vampires etc. Eventually we modify their forms or change them into forms we can live with. Change is the one basic in this life. We, individually and separately create our own realities.