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Awww, c'mon now H, don't you have anything to offer other than pretty pictures?

I was going to offer " you are an idiot', but the line up this week is too long..

rough week, Mrs Morgan?
 
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Especially since it is not one company working on a hole. A lot of people don't get that.

When a hole is drilled, a drilling rig company drills it, service companies run tools down it, all under contract to the oil company. When something goes wrong, someone pays. It's never as simple as 'ah well, we'll just let that profit dribble away'. There is ALWAYS a review to see who needs to cover the cost of whatever is going wrong down-hole.


In an earlier study the Duke researchers sampled 60 private water wells in northeastern Pennsylvania and found no sign of fracking fluids. But they did find that methane levels were on average 17 times higher in wells near drilling sites and that some of the methane had the chemical signature of shale gas. It may have leaked into the shallow aquifers, they said, through faulty casings around the gas wells. The Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection (DEP) also blamed faulty casings in 2009 when it fined Cabot Oil & Gas for contaminating the drinking supplies of 19 homes in Dimock Township, 60 miles east of the Vargson farm. In that case the methane came not from the shale but from shallow deposits traversed by the gas wells. DEP has also fined gas companies for mishandling fracking wastewater and allowing spills that polluted creeks and rivers.
 

petros

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I was thinking something a little more accessible, like an online or print source of reputable origin.
People with wells on their properties aren't a good source? Isn't that what you are going by? Oh right I forgot, you're going by disgruntled yuppies who butchered the countryside building homes and pounded wells into the ground but never had gas wells drilled on their properties and are now nearly broke after the housing crash and their homes are extremely undervalued.

That's always the best source.
 

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So then you have no idea about how tightassed regulations and inspections are. Would that be correct?

That would be correct to a degree. Someone actively engaged in the trade may see regulations as "tightassed" for any number of reasons, but as someone who draws a living from the trade they would also have a good motive for bias. There are also those on the other side of the issue who claim regulations and inspections are not tightassed enough. Who do I believe?
 

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That would be correct to a degree. Someone actively engaged in the trade may see regulations as "tightassed" for any number of reasons, but as someone who draws a living from the trade they would also have a good motive for bias. There are also those on the other side of the issue who claim regulations and inspections are not tightassed enough. Who do I believe?


Good point CH/4 is a light molecule ,much harder to contain. Fixing a porous casing costs more than 'let er rip, and dissolve the service company if the litigation is too pricy...'
 

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People with wells on their properties aren't a good source?

I didn't say that, I asked for an accessible source. Are you suggesting I drive out to the farm or would a phone interview suffice?

Or better yet, maybe just post a few links to sites coming out in favour of frakking. I'll give them a scan and judge for myself.
 

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That would be correct to a degree. Someone actively engaged in the trade may see regulations as "tightassed" for any number of reasons, but as someone who draws a living from the trade they would also have a good motive for bias. There are also those on the other side of the issue who claim regulations and inspections are not tightassed enough. Who do I believe?

There is no other (resource) industry in Canada that is as heavily regulated as O&G
 

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That would be correct to a degree. Someone actively engaged in the trade may see regulations as "tightassed" for any number of reasons, but as someone who draws a living from the trade they would also have a good motive for bias. There are also those on the other side of the issue who claim regulations and inspections are not tightassed enough. Who do I believe?
So you have no clue.
 

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So you have no clue.

Quite the contrary, I've put a considerable amount of time into researching this. Are you suggesting that every greasy roughneck in the patch has full knowledge of the impact of what he is doing, or are they just looking as far forward as the next paycheque?
 

petros

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Quite the contrary, I've put a considerable amount of time into researching this. Are you suggesting that every greasy roughneck in the patch has full knowledge of the impact of what he is doing, or are they just looking as far forward as the next paycheque?
Greasy? Who the f*ck do you think you are?
Watching documentaries is your "considerable time"? OFFS
 

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Quite the contrary, I've put a considerable amount of time into researching this. Are you suggesting that every greasy roughneck in the patch has full knowledge of the impact of what he is doing, or are they just looking as far forward as the next paycheque?

Those greasy roughnecks and tool pushes will have a functional understanding. Further, go talk to the land owners who live above these fracks... Get their opinion and experience.

You seek qualified research, do this or source a publication that has
 

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Those greasy roughnecks and tool pushes will have a functional understanding. Further, go talk to the land owners who live above these fracks... Get their opinion and experience.

You seek qualified research, do this or source a publication that has
He ony has the word of Penn yuppies to go by. Greasy roughnecks and land owners don't know f*ck all.
 

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Watching documentaries is your "considerable time"? OFFS

Look, if you took a fraction of the effort you putting into trying to discredit me and put it into coming up with a viable argument to support your position I might be inclined to regard you as something more than a lot of empty noise.