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JLM

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Good for you. But that's not what happens. The democratic part of the direct democratic republic is that not everyone agrees all the time so the most people that do agree, get to tell the gov't what to do and the minorities are SOL. That's generally how a democracy works, you know. Like I said, you are comical. :)

Funny thing, most often I've found that people who bitch about not living in a democracy are the same ones who want everything for themselves and F*** everyone else! -:)
 

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Funny thing, most often I've found that people who bitch about not living in a democracy are the same ones who want everything for themselves and F*** everyone else! -:)
Awesome! i'm an exception! As wifey would say, "WOOT"! I want, well, we want people to be happy. It's the purpose of life, after all (at least according to me, wifey, and Aristotle).
 

Durry

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Good for you. But that's not what happens. The democratic part of the direct democratic republic is that not everyone agrees all the time so the most people that do agree, get to tell the gov't what to do and the minorities are SOL. That's generally how a democracy works, you know. Like I said, you are comical. :)

I like a Poster that knows everything and knows what's good for everybody else.

Yep, your type is rare alright, you should run for Parliament, then all our problems would be solved by you being there!!
 

JLM

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I like a Poster that knows everything and knows what's good for everybody else.

Yep, your type is rare alright, you should run for Parliament, then all our problems would be solved by you being there!!

?!?!?!
 

taxslave

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lol You're funny.
I'd prefer a direct democratic republic such as there is in Switzerland, where the politicians can't do diddly without the public's say so. Representative democracy ain't even close.

That can be incredibly time consuming. Bad enough now trying to create jobs with all the public consultations one must go through.
 

Cobalt_Kid

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Harper is not doing anything that previous Liberal government didn't do before him.

It's funny that when the Liberal governments were abusing all their powers, everything was just fine, but now that it's the Harper government,, Oh no,,, we can't have that!! Hypocrites!!

I'm almost certain that years after Harper leaves the government, he will go down in history as one of Canada's greatest PM's of all time!!

Maybe that's right, Harper isn't doing things that haven't been tried before, what he is doing is putting them all together in a concerted program to deny the legitimate functioning of Parliament and the electoral system and that is new. Even before he was elected his party had broken the law on campaign financing, while at the same time running on a platform of accountability and transparency.

Harper has been attacking the entire system from day one in ways not seen before in this country, shutting down the press as much as he could, producing a 200 page manual on how to tie up Parliament and deny legal opposition. He's been attacking opponents to a degree not seen in decades if ever, denying access to information, requiring fealty from a civil service that is supposed to be non-partisan, all the while concentrating power in the PMO. He's also redefined the constitutional powers of Parliament by not allowing a non-confidence motion to go forward because he decided he'd been elected to the central office he'd created.

What we've been left with is a Parliament that no longer really functions as it was intended to, as a check on the power of the PM. Our elections have a strong smell of corruption and nothing real is done about it and the future of the entire nation is in question as we avoid dealing with some uncomfortable realities of our lifestyles because it conflicts with Harper's ideology.

I don't think he'll go down as one of the greatest PMs if honest and open government is allowed to return, I think if there's any justice he may do time for all the illegal activity he and his party have been up to. If climate change doesn't kick our butts to the point where it's all moot anyway.

What did you think about the recent record floods in Toronto and Calgary and the fact they are entirely consistent with the results of climate change. We can almost certainly expect more and worse in the coming years. And our government is basically sticking its collective head in the sand. If you think this is sane then writing this has probably been a waste of time.

Toronto flash flood won't come as a surprise to those who pay attention to climate change | Georgia Straight

As a result, the public is given no indication that a flash flood in Toronto—in which the monthly average rainfall was dumped on the city in two hours—might be linked to carbon-dioxide emissions.

Weathercasters also avoided mentioning global warming when sections of Calgary and High River were underwater as a result of unprecedented rainfalls.

But a 2008 book by B.C. writer Chris Wood makes it clear that climate change can be linked to intense flooding.

In Dry Spring: The Coming Water Crisis in North America, Wood cited Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change research that describes a continental redistribution of rainfall.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2012/may/18/flash-floods-budget-environment-agency

A moving new exhibition of photographs at Somerset House shows the human impact of flooding around the world over the past five years and provides an insight into how climate change may already be disrupting lives and livelihoods.

The images from major flooding events in the UK, Pakistan, Australia and Thailand feature victims and survivors as they cope with the inundation of their homes and the aftermath. The photographer, Gideon Mendel, says his intention is "to depict them as individuals, not as nameless statistics". He adds: "Coming from disparate parts of the world, their faces show us their linked vulnerability despite the vast differences in their lives and circumstances."

Harper could easily become one of the most despised figures in history if his efforts to deny action on one of the most serious issues of our time play out the way he seems to want, that's not something that any of us should be proud of no matter how closed minded we are.
 

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Harper could easily become one of the most despised figures in history if his efforts to deny action on one of the most serious issues of our time play out the way he seems to want, that's not something that any of us should be proud of no matter how closed minded we are.
Harper reminds me of the Dali Lama, Mother Theresa, George Washington Carver, JP II, Billy Graham, and Buda all rolled into one. He'll be regarded by history as one of Canada's best administrators.
 

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Harper reminds me of the Dali Lama, Mother Theresa, George Washington Carver, JP II, Billy Graham, and Buda all rolled into one. He'll be regarded by history as one of Canada's best administrators.

I guess I didn't pick up on the resemblance to Mother Theresa! -:)
 

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Maybe that's right, Harper isn't doing things that haven't been tried before, what he is doing is putting them all together in a concerted program to deny the legitimate functioning of Parliament and the electoral system and that is new. Even before he was elected his party had broken the law on campaign financing, while at the same time running on a platform of accountability and transparency.

Harper has been attacking the entire system from day one in ways not seen before in this country, shutting down the press as much as he could, producing a 200 page manual on how to tie up Parliament and deny legal opposition. He's been attacking opponents to a degree not seen in decades if ever, denying access to information, requiring fealty from a civil service that is supposed to be non-partisan, all the while concentrating power in the PMO. He's also redefined the constitutional powers of Parliament by not allowing a non-confidence motion to go forward because he decided he'd been elected to the central office he'd created.

What we've been left with is a Parliament that no longer really functions as it was intended to, as a check on the power of the PM. Our elections have a strong smell of corruption and nothing real is done about it and the future of the entire nation is in question as we avoid dealing with some uncomfortable realities of our lifestyles because it conflicts with Harper's ideology.

I don't think he'll go down as one of the greatest PMs if honest and open government is allowed to return, I think if there's any justice he may do time for all the illegal activity he and his party have been up to. If climate change doesn't kick our butts to the point where it's all moot anyway.

What did you think about the recent record floods in Toronto and Calgary and the fact they are entirely consistent with the results of climate change. We can almost certainly expect more and worse in the coming years. And our government is basically sticking its collective head in the sand. If you think this is sane then writing this has probably been a waste of time.

Toronto flash flood won't come as a surprise to those who pay attention to climate change | Georgia Straight



Flash floods are on the rise, while the budget to tackle them sinks | Bob Ward | Environment | guardian.co.uk



Harper could easily become one of the most despised figures in history if his efforts to deny action on one of the most serious issues of our time play out the way he seems to want, that's not something that any of us should be proud of no matter how closed minded we are.
Face it there is a lot of damage to repair and Harper is only one man. Eventually he will fix most of the problems too many years of Liberal mismanagement created. Including their attitude of entitlement.
 

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Harper reminds me of the Dali Lama, Mother Theresa, George Washington Carver, JP II, Billy Graham, and Buda all rolled into one. He'll be regarded by history as one of Canada's best administrators.


The Buda across the river from Pest?



King Buda of the huns??

 

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Harper reminds me of the Dali Lama, Mother Theresa, George Washington Carver, JP II, Billy Graham, and Buda all rolled into one. He'll be regarded by history as one of Canada's best administrators.

You been smoking that funny stuff again?
 

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Maybe that's right, Harper isn't doing things that haven't been tried before, what he is doing is putting them all together in a concerted program to deny the legitimate functioning of Parliament and the electoral system and that is new. Even before he was elected his party had broken the law on campaign financing, while at the same time running on a platform of accountability and transparency.

Harper has been attacking the entire system from day one in ways not seen before in this country, shutting down the press as much as he could, producing a 200 page manual on how to tie up Parliament and deny legal opposition. He's been attacking opponents to a degree not seen in decades if ever, denying access to information, requiring fealty from a civil service that is supposed to be non-partisan, all the while concentrating power in the PMO. He's also redefined the constitutional powers of Parliament by not allowing a non-confidence motion to go forward because he decided he'd been elected to the central office he'd created.

What we've been left with is a Parliament that no longer really functions as it was intended to, as a check on the power of the PM. Our elections have a strong smell of corruption and nothing real is done about it and the future of the entire nation is in question as we avoid dealing with some uncomfortable realities of our lifestyles because it conflicts with Harper's ideology.

I don't think he'll go down as one of the greatest PMs if honest and open government is allowed to return, I think if there's any justice he may do time for all the illegal activity he and his party have been up to. If climate change doesn't kick our butts to the point where it's all moot anyway.

What did you think about the recent record floods in Toronto and Calgary and the fact they are entirely consistent with the results of climate change. We can almost certainly expect more and worse in the coming years. And our government is basically sticking its collective head in the sand. If you think this is sane then writing this has probably been a waste of time.

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What you say is absolute nonsense!!

Your just a Harper Hater!!
Harper had done more in this parliament sitting alone than Chreitian (sp?) did in the 13 years that he was was PM.

Harper is being very strategic in the way he is managing this great country. All the more power to him!!
To suggest the floods are due to man made climate change is just plain stupid!! Volcanoes alone contribute more than man ever will.

Suggest you get over your Harper hating syndrome and learn to enjoy the great benefits this country has to offer and accept the fact Harper is going to be around for a while!!
All the more power to him!!
 

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What you say is absolute nonsense!!

Your just a Harper Hater!!
Harper had done more in this parliament sitting alone than Chreitian (sp?) did in the 13 years that he was was PM.

Harper is being very strategic in the way he is managing this great country. All the more power to him!!
To suggest the floods are due to man made climate change is just plain stupid!! Volcanoes alone contribute more than man ever will.

Suggest you get over your Harper hating syndrome and learn to enjoy the great benefits this country has to offer and accept the fact Harper is going to be around for a while!!
All the more power to him!!

Perhaps you could show him the techniques you used to get over those Eastern Basterds
 

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First let us be clear Harper is no Conservative he is a Reform PM hiding in Tory clothing.
You are right they are hell bent on changing things regardless of the mess or how they
do it. They operate with contempt for those who agree with them.
The Conservative Party the real conservatives are starting to see through the thin veneer
that is supposed to pass as respectability.

It's curios why it's taking so long for real conservatives to realize Harper doesn't represent real conservative values.

I mean, crumb, right from the beginning it was all there in black-and-white for anyone with eyes to see when Belinda Stronach crossed the floor to get away from Harper, and when Joe Clark refused to jump on the Harper bandwagon.

The fact that Joe Clark would bail is especially telling, because he was bar-none the most consiliatory member of parliament ever. He'd do *anything* to make peace and broker resolutions to internal party disputes, which means he saw something utterly intractable about Harper's way... he saw something totally alien to what conservatives are supposed to be about.

Harper's not afraid of neo-liberals nor NDP nor anything else on the center-left. What he would really pour his rath on would be a revival of the PC's.
 

JLM

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First let us be clear Harper is no Conservative he is a Reform PM hiding in Tory clothing.
You are right they are hell bent on changing things regardless of the mess or how they
do it. They operate with contempt for those who agree with them.
The Conservative Party the real conservatives are starting to see through the thin veneer
that is supposed to pass as respectability.
Harper is not in the same company as Nixon as Nixon actually found a way to redeem
himself with liberal and conservative minds. Harper doesn't have that in him. yes believe it
or not Nixon was a better man

Reform IS Conservative! Nixon better than Harper!! Ha!
 

Cobalt_Kid

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What you say is absolute nonsense!!

Your just a Harper Hater!!
Harper had done more in this parliament sitting alone than Chreitian (sp?) did in the 13 years that he was was PM.

Harper is being very strategic in the way he is managing this great country. All the more power to him!!
To suggest the floods are due to man made climate change is just plain stupid!! Volcanoes alone contribute more than man ever will.

Suggest you get over your Harper hating syndrome and learn to enjoy the great benefits this country has to offer and accept the fact Harper is going to be around for a while!!
All the more power to him!!

Meanwhile back in the real world.

The reason that Harper got elected into a minority government in the first place was this democratic crisis that was supposed to exist in late 2005. He made a coalition with the NDP and the Bloq to bring down the Martin government on the issue of transparency and accountability. In early 2006 Harper and the conservatives deliberately violated elections laws to win a bare minority. The very first step Harper took was to make a Liberal MP into a conservative MP against the wishes of the voters in Vancouver-Kingsway. For someone who only weeks earlier was so concerned about the democratic deficit it was a startling turnaround...and it didn't end there.

The press was restricted in its access to cabinet ministers and the PM and a covert campaign began almost immediately to sabotage Parliament and destroy the reputation of opposition leaders. Sure it's strategic, it's also one of the most extreme methodologies of gaining control in this country. It certainly isn't democratic and it's most likely not for the benefit of most people in this country.

Most of us were left without effective representation as Harper and his caucus began treating anyone who wasn't with them as the enemy, you're right it is very strategic, it's also very damaging to a Parliamentary democracy that goes back over 100 years, Harper's solution to the democratic deficit he seemed so concerned about in 2005 was apparently to do away with key features of our democracy.

Left with little avenue to speak to power, Canadian citizens are supposed to have the right to free assembly for peaceful protest. Harper's reaction was to plant agent provocateurs within crowds at conferences like SPP and G20. People who were there for peaceful demonstrations had not only their right to protest fundamental changes to Canadian society removed, they also had their safety put at risk.

Police Provocateurs stopped by union leader at anti SPP protest - YouTube

Quebec police admit they went undercover at Montebello protest - Canada - CBC News

Quebec provincial police admitted Thursday that three of their officers disguised themselves as demonstrators during the protest at the North American leaders summit in Montebello, Que.

It's very disturbing that people who were entrusted to protect citizens of Canada who after all paid for salaries acted in such a vicious manner towards them at the behest of the government. This is the kind of thing the brownshirts did under Hitler and the Bolsheviks did to carry out their coup in post Revolutionary Russia. Harper is being strategic, the only problem is we're the enemy in his twisted world view.

How about in Toronto a few years back when we picked up the more than $1 billion bill so that Harper could grandstand and much of the downtown got torn up by the same kind of "anarchists" who used many of the same techniques and wore the same equipment as the police agent provocateurs at Montebello.

EXPOSED! G20 Toronto Police Agent Provocateurs in Video and Photos - WATCH @ 2:35 for total proof - YouTube

So do we have more accountability and transparency now under seven years of Harper?

No, the PMO is virtually opaque unless there's a major scandal that bleeds over into the rest of Canadian society like robocalls and senate expense fraud and coverup.

Even respectable conservatives like Brent Rathgeber have left the conservative caucus due to the almost total lack of respect for Parliamentary democracy by Harper and his unelected staff.

Conservative MPs used like 'trained seals,' Rathgeber says - Politics - CBC News


Alberta MP Brent Rathgeber said he has left the Conservative caucus in part because of the control Prime Minister Stephen Harper's office exercises over backbench MPs, which was preventing him from representing his constituents.

The former Tory MP, who announced he was quitting late Wednesday night to sit as an Independent, said staff in Harper's office — who are "half my age" — pressure the caucus to obey their talking points and vote "like trained seals."

"When you have a PMO that tightly scripts its backbenches like this one attempts to do, MPs don't represent their constituents in Ottawa, they represent the government to their constituents," he told reporters.

This is the opposite of how democracies are supposed to work, Harper is taking one of the greatest developments in human culture and slowing destroying the foundations all our freedoms are based on, this isn't the action of a great leader, it's the mindless work of a vandal.

His economic policies are almost certainly going to cause, economic, social and ecological devastation as it's becoming more obvious every day that we can't continue business as usual. Even if climate change is a hard issue to communicate the hazards of, an entire downtown of a Canadian town going up in flames from a massive crude oil spill isn't. We're putting all our eggs in one basket with the Harper government and when the inevitable collapse of the tar sands project happens, what will we do then.

1 dead, many missing after Quebec train blasts - Canada - CBC News

The train, which was carrying crude oil, rolled away overnight after it was parked by an engineer. It derailed in the heart of the small town in Quebec's Eastern Townships, forcing close to 2,000 people from their homes.

Good luck in convincing people in BC and the US that transporting crude oil in huge amounts daily is safe.

The idiot in charge of the rail company was making jokes about the disaster, how long to you think people will put up with this kind of insanity, most of us have had enough already.

It just goes on and on.

It's not hatred of anybody that motivates me but distress over what's being destroyed by people who are so out of touch with reality they actually think what they're doing is good. What are we going to be left with but a wasteland?
 
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