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[PoliticalNick]

I just can't agree that American feminists are willing to ever subordinate their own interests. A person cannot serve two masters faithfully. It's self-actualization or prioritizing the children. One can't do both.



There just is no evidence that is the case.

A lion can never transform itself into a lamb.

Are you really that backward? Are you really stuck in the 18th century?

Balance is where people and those around them thrive best. Your idea that a woman has to be one or the other and if she chooses to be both fails at both is out-dated and sexist. I have lost a lot of respect for in over your last few posts regarding this topic.

 

[L Gilbert]

HUMAN eggs and sperm creating a completely unique, new, human life at conception.

That isn't what he said. I know when human life begins, which means I agree with you to a point, but not him. Human ova and sperm are human life just as much as two cells joining and making one cell that divides into two, two making four, and so on.

 

[Goober]

Which is considered PC?

1. He's stupid.
2. He's not stupid, everyone else is just smarter than he is.

Not following this thread- But that was funny.

 

[JLM]

Please tell me what makes human life so sacred? Who deemed it so? Why is it more sacred than a dog or a camel or a tree? This view you express is not an absolute truth, it is only your particular view based upon what you have been taught, your religious background, and a very self-centered view of the universe. I hate to break it to you buddy but humans are no more sacred or important in this universe that a grain of sand on the beach.

Forums are more about opinions than absolute truths (it would be pretty boring discussing 2 + 3 =5) In the great huge scheme of things you're probably right, but this topic has to do with humans, and in my opinion human life is sacred and that's not to say other lives are less so.

 

[L Gilbert]

Feminism is about self-actualization first and foremost. Nurturing children is a subordinate consideration.

My wife, the feminist, laughed at that. She said, "this Baals Tears dude has to be a guy".
She exists for the family, including our kids. Feminism is not more or less important to that because she has a personal life as a mother and wife and a worldly life as a woman. She doesn't make any part of her being more important to another part.
My thought is that you've sucked up this good-ol-boy misogyny from a few pieces of media, mixed it with your self-righteous Christian dogma, and are running with it.

I just can't agree that American feminists are willing to ever subordinate their own interests. A person cannot serve two masters faithfully. It's self-actualization or prioritizing the children. One can't do both.

I just gave you a greenie because now you have both my wife and me laughing. Thanks for that.
Who says one can't? You? lmao Sounds like you are projecting your personality (or lack of) onto everyone else. My wife's "priority" is in being herself, including responsibilities as a mother, wife, woman, soccer coach, and everything else. depending upon the circumstances of the moment, she changes her "prioriities" constantly. And so do I, for that matter. So there are no set, rigid "priorities" in your sense of the word in our lives.

There just is no evidence that is the case.

A lion can never transform itself into a lamb.

And you have evidence otherwise?

From what I gather you are saying that there is no such thing as an abortion for pure convenience. Is that correct?

Wrong.

 

[Sal]

I just gave you a greenie because now you have both my wife and me laughing. Thanks for that.
Who says one can't? You? lmao Sounds like you are projecting your personality (or lack of) onto everyone else. My wife's "priority" is in being herself, including responsibilities as a mother, wife, woman, soccer coach, and everything else. depending upon the circumstances of the moment, she changes her "prioriities" constantly. And so do I, for that matter. So there are no set, rigid "priorities" in your sense of the word in our lives.

yes and to KNOW how and what to prioritize that can be a dilemma for many, the closer one is to being self actualized the better the person's ability (him OR her) is to judge and then act correctly in the best interests of all involved
intelligence also needs to be a consideration here, as does the fact that self sacrifice is not always a positive thing

 

[JLM]

It all depends on perspective.

The more angles tossed around, the better.

Even if the point doesn't hit it's target it is a necessity.

It's impossible to describe a hole without describing it's surroundings.

How can you have a murder without a murderer?

Even in war crimes "I was just following orders" does not get you out of it.

Why would it be any different in the civil arena?

Self awareness.

You can't. All we are discussing here is ideas, people can understand that if there is a murder there is a murderer, so there is no point to accusing anyone of murder, that just pisses people off and besides most have a brain to draw their own conclusions.

Which is considered PC?

1. He's stupid.
2. He's not stupid, everyone else is just smarter than he is.

Better still "his solar panel is on the north wall"

 

[Omicron]

no it is more than that, it is a package, those who do the least amount of damage to their kids are the best parents.

Damage? I got strapped all the time when I was a kid, and it didn't damage me one bit, as far as I can tell. I also grew up on the Three Stooges.

I was ten years old when it dawned on me I'd be hooped without my folks.

...all parents damage their kids, it's the human condition, we are all weak and make mistakes, we are not perfect and even the mistakes a parent makes can make a positive impact on their kid.

That's why most places have extended families and communities. If the parents are in a bad mood you can go out and visit the gramma, and thus evade the "damage".

...if a kid actually feels loved, they will survive and thrive even in the worst of environments.

Actually, in my experience, what kids need is consistency.

If you're consistent in your rules, they can develope a stable sense of what to agree and disagree with. It's when you waffle from one day to the next that they get messed up.

 

[gerryh]

Canadians seem very uncomfortable talking about abstract morality in the context of abortion. So let me ask you this question instead...is it ever morally acceptable to take another creature's life as a matter of simple convenience? I'm not asking about street level circumstances that may or may not constitute convenience in your mind.

another creature, or another human? Another creatures life, yes. Another human life? Never!

Unfortunately, your're right. They often also support illegal wars and oppose immigration from countries with much larger populations.

Wrong, I don't support war period, and I support open immigration. Try again.

I oppose abortion too, but Sal did have a point. It's like: don't abort the baby, but once it's born, your on your own. If a baby has rights in the womb, then a child has rights outside the womb, including access to quality educaiotn regardless of the parents' right to pay. The community is responsible for its children.

You want to point out where in Canada basic education is not free?

There you go again. Why does having responsibility exclude terminating a pregnancy? I've asked this question several times and received no answer... let alone a good one

KILLING SOMEONE IS NOT A RESPONSIBLE OPTION.....DID YOU HEAR ME THIS TIME?????

9 times out of 10, when somebody says something is "stupid" or mock it, it means it's over their heads and they make those types of statements so they can feel better about their lack of intelligence and self esteem.

No, 9 times out of 10 it means it is stupid and/or deserves nothing more than mocking.

 

[Omicron]

Canadians seem very uncomfortable talking about abstract morality in the context of abortion. So let me ask you this question instead...is it ever morally acceptable to take another creature's life as a matter of simple convenience? I'm not asking about street level circumstances that may or may not constitute convenience in your mind.

You mean like killing bacteria with antibiotics to avoid the inconvinience of infection?

Like killing psycho-terrorists in order to avoid the inconvinience of collapsing sky-skrapers?

 

[Sal]

Damage? I got strapped all the time when I was a kid, and it didn't damage me one bit, as far as I can tell. I also grew up on the Three Stooges.

okay, what was your point here, that strapping doesn't damage a person?

I was ten years old when it dawned on me I'd be hooped without my folks.

I never wanted to be without my parents

That's why most places have extended families and communities. If the parents are in a bad mood you can go out and visit the gramma, and thus evade the "damage".

when I was a kid we just escaped with our friends, my parents had no clue where we were for most of the day

Actually, in my experience, what kids need is consistency.

If you're consistent in your rules, they can develope a stable sense of what to agree and disagree with. It's when you waffle from one day to the next that they get messed up.

beating a kid regularly, and abusing them is also consistent, consistency without love is nothing but rules and produce another rule maker sometimes without the capability of compassion and empathy...that equals a psycho/sociopaths...not what we want our society to be filled with

 

[Omicron]

okay, what was your point here, that strapping doesn't damage a person?

Yeah, pretty much... as long as it's implemented in a simple cause-and-effect context.

 

[Sal]

Yeah, pretty much... as long as it's implemented in a simple cause-and-effect context.

yeah I think there are better ways but it isn't the worst thing that can happen to a kid by far

 

[BaalsTears]

Are you really that backward? Are you really stuck in the 18th century?

Balance is where people and those around them thrive best. Your idea that a woman has to be one or the other and if she chooses to be both fails at both is out-dated and sexist. I have lost a lot of respect for in over your last few posts regarding this topic.

The loss of your respect wounds me deeply. Does this mean we are no longer friends?

It is possible for a woman to be strong and free without being self-absorbed. This phenomenon can be seen in women in non-western cultures. My wife is Chinese. She is exceptionally strong. She survived the Cultural Revolution. But she steers our sons away from feminists because allowing them to join the family is simply a roll of the dice. It's never acceptable to gamble with the fate of the family.

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Like killing psycho-terrorists in order to avoid the inconvinience of collapsing sky-skrapers?

Psycho terrorists would have left the USA alone imo if the USA had not previously interfered and intervened in their domestic affairs with its support of repressive dictatorships. America should come back to North America. Then it will be safe.

Btw Omicron, you are the only person who answered my question directly. Thank you.

 

[PoliticalNick]

another creature, or another human? Another creatures life, yes. Another human life? Never!

And what besides your own sense of self importance makes a human life worth more than any other creature? All creatures share this planet and I find it hilarious when people like you espouse the idea that humans have any greater entitlement to anything than any other living being. By placing a greater value on human life than any other form of life you demonstrate a narrow, egotistical & conceited view of the universe.

Not that I expect any different from somebody who believes they have a right to impose their personal views and beliefs upon every other person on the planet.

The loss of your respect wounds me deeply. Does this mean we are no longer friends?

We are as much friends now as we were before today. ;-)

It is possible for a woman to be strong and free without being self-absorbed. This phenomenon can be seen in women in non-western cultures. My wife is Chinese. She is exceptionally strong. She survived the Cultural Revolution. But she steers our sons away from feminists because allowing them to join the family is simply a roll of the dice. It's never acceptable to gamble with the fate of the family.

You almost had me until you started going on about controlling who your children will marry. They are their own people and should be free to choose who they wish to be with, not who you would like to see them with. Once again this is a very old-fashioned, repressive way of thinking. I hope you come to realize this one day and set your kids free into the world to make their own discoveries, successes and mistakes.

 

[BaalsTears]

We are as much friends now as we were before today. ;-)

Then we are good friends.

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You almost had me until you started going on about controlling who your children will marry. They are their own people and should be free to choose who they wish to be with, not who you would like to see them with. Once again this is a very old-fashioned, repressive way of thinking. I hope you come to realize this one day and set your kids free into the world to make their own discoveries, successes and mistakes.

In many ways I've stopped thinking as a typical white person. I have been heavily influenced by Confucian thought about family life. My wife and I have been extremely successful in raising our sons to manhood. We just don't have the white person mindset on dating, mating, and marriage.

 

[Cliffy]

I think I can understand your rationale from the point of view of the good of the planet for the rest of its duration. But I don't think its very practical. Every creature is here for a reason, even rats, flies and mosquitoes. On the other hand man is the dominant specie. I think Mother Nature had things pretty well planned out as far as the world's operation is concerned, but either man being what he is was done for a reason we don't understand or she screwed up by putting man on the planet and expecting the planet to survive uninterrupted. It's all very baffling, was man intentionally put here knowing full well, he'd act in his own selfish best interests.

I don't think man evolved on this Earth, but instead was genetically engineered. I think that mostly because humans do not seem to respect or feel part of the life support system we call the biosphere. Humans seem disconnected from the whole, either spiritually, emotionally or both, which leads me to believe humans are not natural to the planet.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Then you are not one with the Great Spirit.

When I need advice about my relationship with Moneto, you'll be the very last person I'll ask.

Seriously, you saw a couple of cowboy movies and think you know jack about "Indian" spirituality?

Here's a hint, Shemanese. There are hundreds of different Indian religions, and not all of them are even monotheist.

 

[JLM]

I don't think man evolved on this Earth, but instead was genetically engineered. I think that mostly because humans do not seem to respect or feel part of the life support system we call the biosphere. Humans seem disconnected from the whole, either spiritually, emotionally or both, which leads me to believe humans are not natural to the planet.

I think you may be onto something. Humans can be more porcine than the average pig!

 

[BaalsTears]

When I need advice about my relationship with Moneto, you'll be the very last person I'll ask.

Seriously, you saw a couple of cowboy movies and think you know jack about "Indian" spirituality?

Here's a hint, Shemanese. There are hundreds of different Indian religions, and not all of them are even monotheist.

You just had your chain yanked Tenskwatawa, and you didn't like it. You would have been better off by not revealing your agitation.