If You Hate Ladies & Are Scared of Muslims, You'll Love North Carolina

[PoliticalNick]

Good answer, Ger!

Some people's rationale isn't the same as ours, you and I believe fetuses are living human beings (which most doctors will confirm), but some people don't have that belief.

I'll be rational for you pal. You take that 6 or 16 week old fetus out of the host and see if it is a living breathing human being. Your belief it is a living human will be disproved in less than a minute. That is the true test, not your religious opinion or the opinion of any doctor but the fact that it won't live at all even with all the scientific help we could provide.

 

[DaSleeper]

You mean the opinion that it's ok to kill children? Ya, I guess it's ok to have that opinion.........if you're Clifford Olson.

I'm using a trackball mouse and sitting on the couch, and oops my thumb might have twitched and given you a neg by mistake on this one.........

 

[JLM]

I'll be rational for you pal. You take that 6 or 16 week old fetus out of the host and see if it is a living breathing human being. Your belief it is a living human will be disproved in less than a minute. That is the true test, not your religious opinion or the opinion of any doctor but the fact that it won't live at all even with all the scientific help we could provide.

That proves very little Nick, you can take a new born baby and leave it on it's own for a day or two and see if it's still breathing. It's just a matter of degree. -

 

[PoliticalNick]

So you had no problem with Olson "terminating" the children he did since his "morality" was a-ok with doing what he did.

Olsen killed human beings. They were living and breathing on their own not existing as parasites within a host. There is a big difference but I already know you don't believe that and won't ever change your mind so I won't bother debating the fact with you.

except I don't spew standard Catholic rhetoric.

Oh yes you do! You just don't want to admit it.

 

[gerryh]

Oh yes you do! You just don't want to admit it.

Obviously you don't pay attention.

 

[JLM]

I'm using a trackball mouse and sitting on the couch, and oops my thumb might have twitched and given you a neg by mistake on this one.........

I balanced it off for you! Actually, not a problem, on this matter (as opposed to most) I'm in full agreement with Gerry. -

 

[PoliticalNick]

That proves very little Nick, you can take a new born baby and leave it on it's own for a day or two and see if it's still breathing. It's just a matter of degree. -

Actually your response proves my point entirely. A newborn will breath on it's own and live for days without any care at all. A fetus of less than about 22 weeks will not survive more than a few seconds even with all the scientific medical assistance we could provide. That is the delineation point, when can it survive for a reasonable amount of time outside the host without intervention.

 

[gerryh]

existing as parasites within a host.
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You have kids Nick?

 

[PoliticalNick]

You have kids Nick?

Yep. 2 boys of my own, 3 step-sons, another boy and 3 girls that were fostered and a fostered girl I eventually adopted. What is your point?

 

[gerryh]

Yep. 2 boys of my own, 3 step-sons, another boy and 3 girls that were fostered and a fostered girl I eventually adopted. What is your point?

and when those 2 boys were in their mothers womb.... they were just parasites to you. Were they also parasites to your wife?

 

[captain morgan]

honestly those little eyes on those babies staring up at you they haunt you after those parents leave... and you wonder, what happens to that child at night, what fears what abuse who will advocate for that baby with the filthy face and the snotty nose and the dirty diaper who will comfort that child, hold it and love it?

Honestly octomom is about 20 steps up from what what appears in an office for help. It is not just personal dysfunction, it is societal dysfunction; it is an attitude of I will take care of me and to hell with others

And who takes those children away from the parents...a social worker? You can't just walk in and say, these parents are unfit...the law protects their right as human beings. And omg social workers carry case loads of over 100...guess how often they see their clients? And maybe with some help they will be the best parents in the world...see...it is so very very complex because the human psyche is so very very complex.

And how did the young parents get that way? They came from poverty and abuse and neglect and so the cycle repeats itself.

It is in a word, pitiful...and I am glad I do not work in those offices any more and I ain't never, going back.

Not to confound the issue here Sal, but take a walk through the SPCA sometime and tell me your heart doesn't start thumping heavily in your chest.

We all know the fate of many of those animals and while we (I at least) wish I could adopt everyone that came into the shelter - I can't.. Even if I was able to adopt them all, the next week the kennels would be filled to capacity again. Sadly, we know what the solution is for those critters.

The point is, we as a society have adopted a 'solution' to deal with the issue and the answer is not to keep constructing shelters.

The problems you have outlined are serious and monumentally difficult, however, as long as we as a society simply treat the symptom, this situation will go on ad infinitum.

PS - to any of the wannabe door knobs that decide to interpret my comments as some parallel or suggestion that we do or should treat people in the fashion as animals in a cage - fukk-off.

This is a public service announcement brought to you in advance.... Cheers

 

[Corduroy]

Do you deny that convenience and sex selection are sometimes the grounds for abortion? Let's examine this subject.

Wow, that is impeccably dishonest. I commend your total lack of integrity. I denied what you said. Not what you now pretend you said.

 

[PoliticalNick]

and when those 2 boys were in their mothers womb.... they were just parasites to you. Were they also parasites to your wife?

By the definition of the word yes. Objectively yes. By my own personal, emotional standards no, but my personal beliefs do not rule over others nor do I try to force others to live by my beliefs.

That is the difference between you and I on this subject. I leave others to be free to make their own choices based on their own beliefs whereas you try to force others to adhere to your personal morality and beliefs. That is where the disagreement is at it's deepest to me.

I respect your steadfast belief that life begins at conception but you should also respect my belief that life begins when the fetus can exist outside the womb and we should all be free to base our decisions upon those personal beliefs.

 

[captain morgan]

Wow, that is impeccably dishonest. I commend your total lack of integrity.

If You Hate Ladies & Are Scared of Muslims, You'll Love North Carolina

Yes, BT really should have followed suit with the title of the article in the OP.... A stratospheric high standard in honesty and integrity

 

[JLM]

Actually your response proves my point entirely. A newborn will breath on it's own and live for days without any care at all. A fetus of less than about 22 weeks will not survive more than a few seconds even with all the scientific medical assistance we could provide. That is the delineation point, when can it survive for a reasonable amount of time outside the host without intervention.

You are basing your opinion on the same set of criteria I can justify murdering someone. I pull a victim out of a car accident, he's bleeding profusely and having extreme difficult breathing. I decide he can't live on his own and will be just a parasite, so I finish him off with a gunshot.

 

[Corduroy]

If You Hate Ladies & Are Scared of Muslims, You'll Love North Carolina

Yes, BT really should have followed suit with the title of the article in the OP.... A stratospheric high standard in honesty and integrity

Oh, I wouldn't expect that level of honesty from him. The author of the article is unafraid to call it as she sees it. BT is afraid of his own words.

 

[gerryh]

Oh, I wouldn't expect that level of honesty from him. The author of the article is unafraid to call it as she sees it. BT is afraid of his own words.

Roflmao.....zoooooooooooooooom.

 

[PoliticalNick]

You are basing your opinion on the same set of criteria I can justify murdering someone. I pull a victim out of a car accident, he's bleeding profusely and having extreme difficult breathing. I decide he can't live on his own and will be just a parasite, so I finish him off with a gunshot.

:lol::lol::lol::roll:

Nice try at a comparison but....

 

[Sal]

Not to confound the issue here Sal, but take a walk through the SPCA sometime and tell me your heart doesn't start thumping heavily in your chest.

We all know the fate of many of those animals and while we (I at least) wish I could adopt everyone that came into the shelter - I can't.. Even if I was able to adopt them all, the next week the kennels would be filled to capacity again. Sadly, we know what the solution is for those critters.

The point is, we as a society have adopted a 'solution' to deal with the issue and the answer is not to keep constructing shelters.

the shelter is a temporary home only...the solution for those critters is adoption and teaching people to spay or neuter their animals...

The problems you have outlined are serious and monumentally difficult, however, as long as we as a society simply treat the symptom, this situation will go on ad infinitum.

well a big part of the solution here is not to force some young girl or woman to have a baby she neither wants/or is incapable of nurturing, or cannot afford, the solution here is not to pretend teenagers aren't going to have sex and thus teaching them about birth control instead of some religious non-sense like "she should have kept her legs crossed when she got drunk" and other reprehensible comments that are cro-magnon like, and misogynistic in nature (which I have heard in this very forum from our supposed pro-lifers) And then another part of the solution is for all the anti-abortionists to put their money where their mouth is; if she does have the baby like they want to force her to, man up and support her through it.

I agree with you, there are no easy solutions but let's not make these babies throw-aways... once they become more than a clump of cells and land on this earth, they are your responsibility and my responsibility even if we don't like it because we can't have it both ways.

PS - to any of the wannabe door knobs that decide to interpret my comments as some parallel or suggestion that we do or should treat people in the fashion as animals in a cage - fukk-off

that gave me another lol...

This is a public service announcement brought to you in advance.... Cheers

cheers baby, it's five o'clock somewhere.

 

[gerryh]

well a big part of the solution here is not to force some young girl or woman to have a baby she neither wants/or is incapable of nurturing, or cannot afford, the solution here is not to pretend teenagers aren't going to have sex and thus teaching them about birth control instead of some religious non-sense like "she should have kept her legs crossed when she got drunk" and other reprehensible comments that are cro-magnon like, and misogynistic in nature (which I have heard in this very forum from our supposed pro-lifers) And then another part of the solution is for all the anti-abortionists to put their money where their mouth is; if she does have the baby like they want to force her to, man up and support her through it.

No, what they need to be taught is responsibility, not that the can kill the product of their irresponsible dalliances.