Since convenience and sex selection aren't medical necessities you have just told me that you oppose those as grounds for abortion.
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Since convenience and sex selection aren't medical necessities you have just told me that you oppose those as grounds for abortion.
that isn't what I am saying at all...but it backs my statement which is why I brought it up.
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everything you said has just proven my point...
life is not black and white... and a few condoms won't solve the terrible tragedies of our society
Go f*ck yourself Gerry! They are not living, breathing humans and it is not murder. The courts have decided this many times over around the globe. Your continual reference to terminations in such a way only proves your religious based personal doctrine makes you believe you have some right to control other people and their bodies, namely women. It is an out-dated concept and a blatant attempt to keep women in a position subservient to men. If you want the 'barefoot & in the kitchen' thing by all means go ahead and find a woman willing to accept that but leave the rest of us out of your cult.
You see I do take a stand on the subject and it is a firm stand that you have no right to tell any woman what to do with her own body and until that fetus can live separated from the host it is a part of that host and not a being unto itself.
Glad you had a chuckle.. That was the intention
In terms of your post - I get it, and I support what you're saying.... However....
The problem you have identified is like trying to drain the ocean with a spoon... Gets you no where really fast.
Comes down to this, IF the root of the problem relates to some form of dysfunction, then the root is what needs to be addressed, not just a perpetual program of crisis management. If the parents are incapable of taking care of themselves, perhaps it's a thought to remove the children from those parents, but as long as there are people out there like octomom, you'll only be left with the chore of emptying the ocean with a spoon
WOW! So now anyone having an abortion or believing it isn't any of your business what a woman does with her health is a serial killer. Do you see the extremes you will go to to support your position? You are obviously far too emotional and can't get past that deep-seeded belief your opinion should rule over other people. You should just be glad your mother didn't choose termination when you were conceived and live your own life and stop trying to play God over other people.
Please stop putting words in my mouth or trying to twist what I say. They are not grounds for my decisions and only my decisions. Others could and do find them acceptable and that is their business, not mine and not yours.
Yup, I see you take a stand
Look at that, you are smart enough to figure things out. I also see you have a problem with being identified for what you are.
One can support laws which permit abortion while still believing in the moral reprehensibility of abortions for convenience or sex selection.
I find abortions for the sole reason of convenience or sex selection to be profoundly immoral because of the lack of personal accountability. I think this is a sign of decadence in American culture.
I find abortions for the sole reason of convenience or sex selection to be profoundly immoral because of the lack of personal accountability. I think this is a sign of decadence in American culture.
You obviously miss the entire point. It may be reprehensible to you but you do not get to decide what is morally wrong for others. I'm not telling you your opinion is invalid entirely, it is just invalid to every other person on the planet except you.
News flash for you BT.....it ain't only in America. It happens in all areas of our planet in various cultures. It is not a sign of anything anywhere other than freedom for women to be in control of their own health and bodies. You may not like that but you are gonna have to put up with it for a long, long time to come.
You and I are in basic agreement on the morality of abortions for the sole purpose of convenience or sex selection.
honestly those little eyes on those babies staring up at you they haunt you after those parents leave... and you wonder, what happens to that child at night, what fears what abuse who will advocate for that baby with the filthy face and the snotty nose and the dirty diaper who will comfort that child, hold it and love it?
Honestly octomom is about 20 steps up from what what appears in an office for help. It is not just personal dysfunction, it is societal dysfunction; it is an attitude of I will take care of me and to hell with others
And who takes those children away from the parents...a social worker? You can't just walk in and say, these parents are unfit...the law protects their right as human beings. And omg social workers carry case loads of over 100...guess how often they see their clients? And maybe with some help they will be the best parents in the world...see...it is so very very complex because the human psyche is so very very complex.
And how did the young parents get that way? They came from poverty and abuse and neglect and so the cycle repeats itself.
It is in a word, pitiful...and I am glad I do not work in those offices any more and I ain't never, going back.
Sex selection abortions are illegal in both China and India...the two most populous countries in the world. So I don't agree with your premise about abortions for convenience or sex selection being the norm in "all areas of our planet."
No one is standing in the way of any woman who wants an abortion. So stop trying to conflate the law with morality. I'm just talking about morality of abortions where the sole rationale is convenience or sex selection.
Good answer, Ger!
Some people's rationale isn't the same as ours, you and I believe fetuses are living human beings (which most doctors will confirm), but some people don't have that belief.
How do you know that my opinion is invalid to every other person on the planet except me?
That's your opinion, Nick, but it would help, if you gave us a link proving the validity of it. What the courts decide isn't always factual. The courts decided David Milgaard was guilty and O.J. Simpson was not guilty, so my acceptance of court decisions ranks a step above (or below) the validity of the tooth fairy! -
No, we aren't in agreement at all. You really are just fishing for anyone to back you up on your belief that YOUR morality is right or justifiable.
I'm not sure if you can or will ever understand my position because you are too busy trying to make it conform to YOUR beliefs.
Let me try one last time...
My morality of any termination doesn't count or matter to anyone else on this planet just as everyone else's morality and opinion doesn't count or matter to me. You are droning on about your own personal moral beliefs looking for someone to acknowledge you are right. Well you are right to you and that is all that matters. I am right to me and that is all that concerns me. Others believe the terminations you describe are morally right to them and I am ok with that whereas you are obviously not.
Are you saying that there is no such thing as abortions for the sole purpose of convenience or sex selection...or are you saying you don't know and can't express an opinion?
wow, how many ways can he tell you ... his opinion has been clearly stated
I feel your pain...holy wow!
I'm thinking it would have been so much better for your mom to make that decision instead of spawning an egotistical waste of a brain like yourself. You continual references to murder and serial killers and your belief that your opinions and morals should rule over others show you have zero ability to have a rational, objective thought and are just spewing the standard catholic rhetoric like an automaton.
So you had no problem with Olson "terminating" the children he did since his "morality" was a-ok with doing what he did.
except I don't spew standard Catholic rhetoric.