Stephen Harper Begins his Assault on Healthcare

CDNBear

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Before long trade workers will earn 12 bucks an hour with no pension, little benifits and no more than two weeks vacation.
Before long? LOL, that's Ontario now. Skilled welders, industrial maintenance mechanics, anything in manufacturing really, is low balled.

You can thank Bob Rae and the NDP for that.
 

Trex

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Health care and education are the sole responsibility and jurisdiction of the provinces.
The provinces dictate where and how each health care dollar is spent.
Why would the Fed's stick their nose in an area that they have nothing to do with?

Harper has increased Fed transfer payments targeted at health by 34% since taking office.
He has also guaranteed transfer payments will grow in excess of inflation until the next election.

If you have issues with health care take it to your MLA and not your MP.

BY the way I agree with other posters that we need a co-pay system.
We also need public/private care health options like the Europeans.
Some say France has one of the best health care systems out there...they pay doctors and nurses about half what we do and get at least as good medical outcomes.
 
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JLM

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Health care and education are the sole responsibility and jurisdiction of the provinces.
The provinces dictate where and how each health care dollar is spent.
Why would the Fed's stick their nose in an area that they have nothing to do with?

Harper has increased Fed transfer payments targeted at health by 34% since taking office.
He has also guaranteed transfer payments will grow in excess of inflation until the next election.

If you have issues with health care take it to your MLA and not your MP.

BY the way I agree with other posters that we need a co-pay system.
We also need public/private care health options like the Europeans.
Some say France has one of the best health care systems out there...they pay doctors and nurses about half what we do and get at least as good medical outcomes.

Well, that's right. Our health is the most important asset we have and yet many people are reluctant to contribute to its cost and yet they'll fund booze and street drugs, the human animal is not only self destructive but they'll fund the destruction while wanting others to fund health enhancement. I'm not sure what the answer is, it's definitely costing too much the way it is. Having a $20 up front charge to the patient on each new illness should cut abuse of the E.R. Private insurance is good as long as the providers aren't ripping people off.
 

L Gilbert

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No comments is still better than lies and the past few gov'ts were fulla those.



I could go on but what's the point, if you think the Harper government is fair open and honest then nothing I say to you will make a difference.
If you think that's what I think, then nothing I say will make a diff to you either.
 

JLM

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There is an upfront fee, its called a 14 hour wait to see a doctor.

I've been through that, when you're in bad shape they get you in right away, when you have to wait 14 hours you shouldn't be there in the first place. They are just trying to give people the hint to take their snotty nose home and deal with it. It's called triage. -:)
 

tay

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Health care and education are the sole responsibility and jurisdiction of the provinces.


Yes but let's leave education out of the discussion on Health care

The provinces dictate where and how each health care dollar is spent.

True

Why would the Fed's stick their nose in an area that they have nothing to do with?

Many people are asking that question and the answer is the Harper CONServatives hate Canadians.

Harper has increased Fed transfer payments targeted at health by 34% since taking office.

See article below and you will see you are misinformed.

He has also guaranteed transfer payments will grow in excess of inflation until the next election.

See article below and you will see you are misinformed

If you have issues with health care take it to your MLA and not your MP.

Take it to both but most importantly your MP if she/he is a CON, who are the ones cutting the transfer payments.

BY the way I agree with other posters that we need a co-pay system.

Why?

We also need public/private care health options like the Europeans

Why?.

Some say France has one of the best health care systems out there...they pay doctors and nurses about half what we do and get at least as good medical outcomes.

We need some proof on the wages of Doctors and nurses in France.



The Parliamentary Budget Officer, Kevin Page, has released a report that shows the federal Conservatives' downloading of biillions in Medicare costs onto the provinces will greatly weaken both the public health care system and the finances of the provinces, causing them to either cut programs or to increase taxes.

A recent premier's report notes that the Cons' recent health accord removes $36 billion over 10 years from health services compared to what the current program would do if carried forward. It would reduce federal contributions to Medicare to less than 20% compared to the 50% federal contribution Medicare was originally funded at.

"The impact of the various federal reforms - assuming Ottawa could maintain current debt-to-GDP levels over the long-term, in the face of changing demographics - represents an extra $25 billion in fiscal breathing room for the federal government in 2012 alone, according to the PBO.

Approximately $14 billion of that relief comes from Ottawa's decision to trim the growth in health transfers over the longterm, according to the PBO report. That additional financial flexibility means the federal government could reduce its revenue, increase program spending or some combination of both while maintaining long-term fiscal sustainability. For example, going forward, the federal government would have the flexibility to reduce the GST another percentage point or two, said PBO officials.

While such measures might increase the deficit in the shortterm, federal finances and the debt-to-GDP ratio would remain sustainable over the long-term."

Federal health cuts will total $36 billion over decade: Premiers




More on non Canadian systems

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/01/health/american-way-of-birth-costliest-in-the-world.html
 

skookumchuck

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We are extremely disappointed with Prime Minister Stephen Harper's decision to end support for the Health Council of Canada....Everyone in this country should be deeply concerned because the federal government is distancing itself from the health and health care of Canadians.

Or take it from my friends at Canadian Doctors for Medicare.




“The federal government is no longer walking away from health care, it’s sprinting at full speed,” said Dr. Ryan Meili, vice-chair of Canadian Doctors for Medicare. “Cutting funding to the Health Council means cutting information on sustainability, quality and efficiency of our health care system – information that Canadians should be able to expect from their government.”



Killing the Health Council bad for Canada’s health care system, say docs | Media Releases



Because their impulses are noble. And they love our precious healthcare system, and want to make it even better.

I've explained many times why Stephen Harper hates medicare. Because it embodies the softer, more caring values of the Canada he despises so much.

By reducing transfers, just as the boomers start flooding into our hospitals. By forcing the provinces to pay more for services like retraining workers. By making them pay to house more prisoners. By throwing more and more unemployed Canadians off E.I. and on to provincial welfare rolls.

Sooner or later, the provinces, especially the poorer ones, will be forced to cry uncle. And the private health care vultures will move in. Just like they have in Britain, where the Cameron Cons are gutting the National Health System.

And forcing public hospitals to reserve 49 percent of their beds for private patients.


For let me be absolutely clear if we don't stop Harper and his gang of inhuman monsters, if we don't listen to the doctors and the nurses, if we allow the Cons to blind us, and condemn us to walk in the darkness.

As I've said so many times before.


We or our loved ones WILL end up in a horrible place.

In a country we don't recognize...

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Montreal Simon: Stephen Harper Begins his Assault on Medicare


Making allegations of this magnitude with little or no support by the majority of people makes you look a complete fool. Sad you do not see this.
 

darkbeaver

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People who aren't used to adversity can get sick rather easily. -:)

Stephen Adversity Harper?
 

taxslave

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The Parliamentary Budget Officer, Kevin Page, has released a report that shows the federal Conservatives' downloading of biillions in Medicare costs onto the provinces will greatly weaken both the public health care system and the finances of the provinces, causing them to either cut programs or to increase taxes.

A recent premier's report notes that the Cons' recent health accord removes $36 billion over 10 years from health services compared to what the current program would do if carried forward. It would reduce federal contributions to Medicare to less than 20% compared to the 50% federal contribution Medicare was originally funded at.

"The impact of the various federal reforms - assuming Ottawa could maintain current debt-to-GDP levels over the long-term, in the face of changing demographics - represents an extra $25 billion in fiscal breathing room for the federal government in 2012 alone, according to the PBO.

Approximately $14 billion of that relief comes from Ottawa's decision to trim the growth in health transfers over the longterm, according to the PBO report. That additional financial flexibility means the federal government could reduce its revenue, increase program spending or some combination of both while maintaining long-term fiscal sustainability. For example, going forward, the federal government would have the flexibility to reduce the GST another percentage point or two, said PBO officials.

While such measures might increase the deficit in the shortterm, federal finances and the debt-to-GDP ratio would remain sustainable over the long-term."

Federal health cuts will total $36 billion over decade: Premiers




More on non Canadian systems

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/01/health/american-way-of-birth-costliest-in-the-world.html
After the Liberals were finished "balancing" their books by downloading health care costs to the provinces there really is not much left for Harper to unload except for a few overpaid bureaucraps. personally I don't like my hard earned tax dollars paying for sex changes.
 

JLM

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After the Liberals were finished "balancing" their books by downloading health care costs to the provinces there really is not much left for Harper to unload except for a few overpaid bureaucraps. personally I don't like my hard earned tax dollars paying for sex changes.

Right on 110%, taxslave, elective surgery is the responsibility of the patient!