Vancouver Safe Injection Sites a Success

[captain morgan]

'EXACTLY. We should be buying the stuff in Bulk overseas,, registering the addicts, and letting them 'safe fix'. Then get on with their lives.

Kinda like a junkie welfare program.

Sounds very Big Brotherish

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

'EXACTLY. We should be buying the stuff in Bulk overseas,, registering the addicts, and letting them 'safe fix'. Then get on with their lives.

Our war on drugs policy is soooo failed. Drives up crime, costs big time.

Or we could just quit trying to stop people from doing what every culture in history has done, legalise drugs and regulate them like we do the legal drugs (caffeine, nicotine, and alcohol), and let the market proceed.

 

[JLM]

Being a rehabilitator is not the same as being an enabler. An enabler is someone who buys the drugs for them, or pushes them to use said drugs. Or locks them in a prison with a steady supply of said drugs and no support to clean up.

It would be nice if behind the rehabillitator we saw some rehabillitation.

 

[Sal]

Or we could just quit trying to stop people from doing what every culture in history has done, legalise drugs and regulate them like we do the legal drugs (caffeine, nicotine, and alcohol), and let the market proceed.

absolutely and we can start by decriminalizing all of them immediately

 

[BaalsTears]

You do what you have to do to protect your family. If that means thumbing the crap out of them. Then that is what you do.
Calling the Police is useless. They do not respond.
I will ask BaalsTears to confirm the last part.

The police won't respond unless there's an ancillary crime being committed like burglary. That means there is no help from the police. They don't have the resources, and the politicians here go easy on needle shooters.

That leaves mustering up the neighbors as a group to confront individual needle shooters who are alone. We tell them they shouldn't come to the neighborhood because there are some very bad loco mokos who prey on needle shooters. Muy malo loco mokos.

Being a rehabilitator is not the same as being an enabler. An enabler is someone who buys the drugs for them, or pushes them to use said drugs. Or locks them in a prison with a steady supply of said drugs and no support to clean up.



Or a needle exchange.



But.... you just said your family is not safe. How are you 'keeping' them safe, when you're perpetuating the environment?

I'm not perpetuating the environment. We keep the neighborhood free of needle shooters. They move on to other neighborhoods which are more tolerant or uncaring.

 

[hunboldt]

The police won't respond unless there's an ancillary crime being committed like burglary. That means there is no help from the police. They don't have the resources, and the politicians here go easy on needle shooters.

That leaves mustering up the neighbors as a group to confront individual needle shooters who are alone. We tell them they shouldn't come to the neighborhood because there are some very bad loco mokos who prey on needle shooters. Muy malo loco mokos.



I'm not perpetuating the environment. We keep the neighborhood free of needle shooters. They move on to other neighborhoods which are more tolerant or uncaring.

BT, I REALLY feel for Americans and the need to garrison their 'hoods.

BUT, if you had a warehouse size clinic, and the addicts rolle d in for a free fix, counselling, clean up and health checks . they would get on with their lives and the drug money trade goes into crisis, as the high priced illicit stuff becomes next to worthless.

The FBI has enough seized stuff to ruin the whole distribution chain.

 

[karrie]

I'm not perpetuating the environment. We keep the neighborhood free of needle shooters. They move on to other neighborhoods which are more tolerant or uncaring.

They obviously don't move on since you said they leave needles around at the beach, etc.

'EXACTLY. We should be buying the stuff in Bulk overseas,, registering the addicts, and letting them 'safe fix'. .

We already do that with a very large majority of our addicts. Alcoholics, smokers, and prescription drug abusers.

It would be nice if behind the rehabillitator we saw some rehabillitation.

Like this article points to?

 

[hunboldt]

Kinda like a junkie welfare program.

Sounds very Big Brotherish

Yep.
Crime in Portugal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Except it works. Keeps ordinary folk safe.

 

[JLM]

Like this article points to?

Hopefully, Karrie. I know we hear there is a reduced number of drug addicts, but I watch the evening news pretty well every night and there isn't a corresponding drop in crime like robberies, assaults, drive by shooting etc. Maybe we should take heart that there is a reduction in "harmless" druggies but the "bad apples" are still running rampant.

 

[captain morgan]

BUT, if you had a warehouse size clinic, and the addicts rolle d in for a free fix, counselling, clean up and health checks . they would get on with their lives and the drug money trade goes into crisis, as the high priced illicit stuff becomes next to worthless.

Just one warehouse?... How many after the program has been in place for a few years? Ten? Twenty?

I suppose that you'll need to expand the facilities to house, feed and clothe this small army of addicts.... From what I recall, heroin addicts aren't exactly massively productive

 

[karrie]

Hopefully, Karrie. I know we hear there is a reduced number of drug addicts, but I watch the evening news pretty well every night and there isn't a corresponding drop in crime like robberies, assaults, drive by shooting etc. Maybe we should take heart that there is a reduction in "harmless" druggies but the "bad apples" are still running rampant.

Probably because those crimes aren't done by strung out druggies, they're done by thugs. What makes you think a thief, abuser, murderer is a druggie?

 

[JLM]

Just one warehouse?... How many after the program has been in place for a few years? Ten? Twenty?

I suppose that you'll need to expand the facilities to house, feed and clothe this small army of addicts.... From what I recall, heroin addicts aren't exactly massively productive

I doubt if any druggies are massively productive. I had a bunch of potheads working for me in the late 60s and 70s and I had to keep them lined up with a stump to see if they moved.

Probably because those crimes aren't done by strung out druggies, they're done by thugs. What makes you think a thief, abuser, murderer is a druggie?

Common sense? Actually I doubt if many of them are murderers if any, that is the agenda of the trafficker and importer, they don't like having their territory invaded. Abuser! possibly some of them. Thief, definitely some of the unemployed, how else will they buy their drugs? I've seen it all first hand with a family member for damn near 10 years. Drugs are the most disheartening and generally hopeless things imaginable, especially when you get it right in your own house. Glad I finally got rid of that situation. It not only "kills" the abuser but all the other people associated with him/her.

 

[karrie]

Common sense?

See, I've seen petty crime and a lowering of neighbourhood 'standards' that come with druggies. Run down homes, etc. But the really bad stuff, the shooting, the assaults, the large scale robbery.... I wouldn't lay that at the feet of heroin junkies.

 

[petros]

The poke shops work. They save HUGE $$$

 

[JLM]

See, I've seen petty crime and a lowering of neighbourhood 'standards' that come with druggies. Run down homes, etc. But the really bad stuff, the shooting, the assaults, the large scale robbery.... I wouldn't lay that at the feet of heroin junkies.

Druggies are not usually violent people, unless they "are backed into a corner". They are sneaky however, you have to keep everything under lock and key or be prepared to bail it out of the pawnshop and that's embarrassing for any functional person, not to mention keeps you broke.

 

[petros]

The number of rich junkies is the same as the number of poor junkies. The rich junkies pay for their high and get high indoors and then go creeping around on the streets you consider safe and drug free.

 

[hunboldt]

Just one warehouse?... How many after the program has been in place for a few years? Ten? Twenty?

I suppose that you'll need to expand the facilities to house, feed and clothe this small army of addicts.... From what I recall, heroin addicts aren't exactly massively productive

WATHCER talkin'??
Leo XIII- best pope we ever had!

We start mixing cocaine into Kelowna Vino again, we got a world beater, kiddo...
Thought you was right wing free enterprise...

The poke shops work. They save HUGE $$$

You mean 'coke shops'
vin Mariani had 7.2 grams of cocaine per ounce...

 

[petros]

Sufferin' Peruvian Jesus!!! That's potent.

 

[Cliffy]

J. From what I recall, heroin addicts aren't exactly massively productive

A lot of junkies are professional people that hold their jobs and are productive. I would wager that they have fewer sick days than alcoholics. What most people think of as junkies are the poor and under nourished ones. They are the ones that make the news. The functioning junkies are people like doctors, lawyers, dentists and the like. You probably run into every day and don't even know it.

Besides, if we didn't have drug addicts, we wouldn't have all these wars that they finance. The military/industrial complex would go broke and the economy would crash. You wouldn't want that now, would you?

 

[captain morgan]

A lot of junkies are professional people that hold their jobs and are productive. I would wager that they have fewer sick days than alcoholics. What most people think of as junkies are the poor and under nourished ones. They are the ones that make the news. The functioning junkies are people like doctors, lawyers, dentists and the like. You probably run into every day and don't even know it.

Very true, but I'm also guessing that the functional addicts aren't the ones that are using Insite and populating the areas ina and around Hastings

Besides, if we didn't have drug addicts, we wouldn't have all these wars that they finance. The military/industrial complex would go broke and the economy would crash. You wouldn't want that now, would you?

Nope... Canada would suffer immensely if we didn't have all that economic spin-off from war mongering