Vancouver Safe Injection Sites a Success

[Goober]

That was my reaction when the gallery first opened, but I've had a change of mind. I agree with you completely, but there's been no honest effort made to stop the trafficker and importer, which is the only realistic way to slow it down. I like the Singapore scenario where there are no repeat offenders.

If they are lucky they get a few percent of illegal drugs smuggled into NA.
Remember prohibition. Lots of Canadians got rich of the US Laws at the time.
Same with the US.
Their children and grandchildren are quite respectable and upstanding citizens. And many families retained and expanded upon that wealth.

 

[BaalsTears]

The burning question now is do they have a safe injection site where you live?

If I am aware of the presence of a needle shooter in my neighborhood he or she gets the full in their face treatment. Most needle shooters are white so the Mexicans around here are more than willing to help me give them the heave ho.

Needle shooters get permanent war. There's no other way to keep my family safe.

 

[Goober]

If I am aware of the presence of a needle shooter in my neighborhood he or she gets the full in their face treatment. Most needle shooters are white so the Mexicans around here are more than willing to help me give them the heave ho.

Needle shooters get permanent war. There's no other way to keep my family safe.

Can't fault that.

 

[JLM]

If they are lucky they get a few percent of illegal drugs smuggled into NA.
Remember prohibition. Lots of Canadians got rich of the US Laws at the time.
Same with the US.
Their children and grandchildren are quite respectable and upstanding citizens. And many families retained and expanded upon that wealth.

Yep, and that old Joseph P. Kennedy was one of the worst offending bootleggers at the time!

 

[Goober]

Yep, and that old Joseph P. Kennedy was one of the worst offending bootleggers at the time!

You would be surprised at the respectable Canadian families that were involved. Respectable today that is.

 

[JLM]

Can't fault that.

There's just one side effect, you can end up dead!

You would be surprised at the respectable Canadian families that were involved. Respectable today that is.

I would say "acceptable" more so that respectable. That's the main problem, pretend there is no problem!

 

[Goober]

There's just one side effect, you can end up dead!

You do what you have to do to protect your family. If that means thumbing the crap out of them. Then that is what you do.
Calling the Police is useless. They do not respond.
I will ask BaalsTears to confirm the last part.

 

[JLM]

You do what you have to do to protect your family. If that means thumbing the crap out of them. Then that is what you do.
Calling the Police is useless. They do not respond.
I will ask BaalsTears to confirm the last part.

No sane person picks fights with either druggies or dealers, one bunch is hallucinary and the other bunch is paranoid and desperate. They'll pull a shiv on your as soon as look at you. Of course you could shoot them and serve 20 years.

 

[Goober]

No sane person picks fights with either druggies or dealers, one bunch is hallucinary and the other bunch is paranoid and desperate. They'll pull a shiv on your as soon as look at you. Of course you could shoot them and serve 20 years.

And the guy is probably going to get high - so strung out with the hunger. Bought it and looking for a hidey hole.
4 guys with baseball bats does wonders against 1 guy with a knife.
And word does travel quickly where it is not safe to tread.

 

[hunboldt]

The studies are all published by those that have a vested interest in keeping the 'clinic' alive.



.... And?



Correction: Slows down the transfer of these diseases.

It's not like this is the only place that they consume the drugs



They've been 'offered help' from a raft of former and existing agencies to kick - Fact.

None of them really work - Fact



Heroin addiction is on the rise.... I wonder if the authors of 'the studies' have analyzed the effects of normalizing the drug via 'clinics' like Insite?



Neither does Insite - Fact

'so what big deal

If 24 assembly line needles, clean restrooms, and counsellors keeps bricks form being chucked through my store window I'm all for it.
Raw 'Ghan heroin is dirt cheap,& we still have a regular Gov't flight from Kabul t back haul it in. Consider it payback on investment.

You a re rather heartless Darwinist sometimes, CM...

 

[Goober]

'so what big deal

If 24 assembly line needles, clean restrooms, and counsellors keeps bricks form being chucked through my store window I'm all for it.
Raw 'Ghan heroin is dirt cheap,& we still have a regular Gov't flight from Kabul t back haul it in. Consider it payback on investment.

You a re rather heartless Darwinist sometimes, CM...

Care to keep it civil and discuss facts.

 

[JLM]

And the guy is probably going to get high - so strung out with the hunger. Bought it and looking for a hidey hole.
4 guys with baseball bats does wonders against 1 guy with a knife.
And word does travel quickly where it is not safe to tread.

If you want to take these guys on, Goober, I'll be behind you all the way. -

 

[captain morgan]

They would have crime stats as well

Access to clean needles and an injection site isn't the cause of crime - it's getting the funds for the actual drug.

Slows down and a reasonable probability of not being transferred.

You're assuming that the junkies use only at Insite... If this is an issue of clean needles, they've had needle exchanges in YVR years before Insite ever opened.

Being front line they have more opportunity to arrange treatment.And they do.

Like I mentioned, there are (and have been) all kinds of outreach and related facilities available... Insite is nothing special in that area, so them crowing that they have a positive impact on people kicking is hogwash... Hell, one might argue that they are delaying the process and acting the part of enabler

I am waiting to see all the reports from Police, crime stats, treatment, transfer rates for HIV and Hep C but what we have now does not work. Intervention is the first step.

Junkies won't kick until they want to, you can have all of the good intentions and feel-good therapies you want, it only serves to ease the collective conscious of the simpering Liberals that believe they can actually do something about it.

Canada faces a flood of heroin and addicts

This says soooo much

 

[Goober]

If you want to take these guys on, Goober, I'll be behind you all the way. -

So say you live in the area where BT described. Addicts all over the place. Police do not give a rat a-s-s about someone getting high as there is more than enough crime to go around.
People get together and send them one by one on their way.
Sad to say but that is what you would have to do.
Or prepare to have your families safety at risk.

 

[hunboldt]

What really infuriates me are methadone clinics who don't wean their clients off - and the clients who abuse that fact

Heh- its cheap. Lab meth-d is pennies a shot, syringes come in bulk from Shanghai.

The Urban war on Drugs is the most costly FundieTory clone of GWB program Mr LegoHair ever bought into./ A complete waste of resources.

Care to keep it civil and discuss facts.

I am, Goob. I simply don't give a Ratz Butz if people shoot up at the clinic on cheap Kabul back haul, then lounge on the beach. As long as the crime money chain dries up.

 

[captain morgan]

'so what big deal

If 24 assembly line needles, clean restrooms, and counsellors keeps bricks form being chucked through my store window I'm all for it.
Raw 'Ghan heroin is dirt cheap,& we still have a regular Gov't flight from Kabul t back haul it in. Consider it payback on investment.

You a re rather heartless Darwinist sometimes, CM...

If insite was handing out free heroin, I might agree with the statement that crime is down, but as it stands, they aren't giving away drugs.

It's only a venue to consume the drugs that these folks still commit crimes to get the junk.

I don't see where the confusion is on this

 

[JLM]

I think before we can get a handle on this problem, is to first identify the ones who truly want to quit, as opposed to the bullsh*tters who just talk the talk. Somewhere in the hinterland you set up an experimental project on four sections of Crown land. You build a mill, factory, farm whatever and everyone has a job and no one leaves the area for the first three months. You have a doctor, dentist, nurses and other health care workers. You hire an entrepreneur who can run the operation at a profit doing whatever, processing pine beetle kill has a potential for being profitable. It has to be like a Co op consisting of Gov't and the private sector. That would be a lot cheaper than dealing with all the mayhem that is running rampant.

So say you live in the area where BT described. Addicts all over the place. Police do not give a rat a-s-s about someone getting high as there is more than enough crime to go around.
People get together and send them one by one on their way.
Sad to say but that is what you would have to do.
Or prepare to have your families safety at risk.

So you have a situation where dealing with the primary problem isn't working. You deal with the secondary problem, the cops- have two choices.................clean up the mess or get transferred out to Inuvik, Iqaliut, Grise Fjord or Baker Lake.

 

[Goober]

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So you have a situation where dealing with the primary problem isn't working. You deal with the secondary problem, the cops- have two choices.................clean up the mess or get transferred out to Inuvik, Iqaliut, Grise Fjord or Baker Lake.

You should check and see how many cities are wastelands for police response. Google gangs in LA and areas controlled by them to start.
Not like Canada, but we also have areas that are falling more and more under control of gangs. Check Toronto to start.

 

[karrie]

Can't solve the problem, so just give up and be an enabler ..

Being a rehabilitator is not the same as being an enabler. An enabler is someone who buys the drugs for them, or pushes them to use said drugs. Or locks them in a prison with a steady supply of said drugs and no support to clean up.

The burning question now is do they have a safe injection site where you live?

Or a needle exchange.

If I am aware of the presence of a needle shooter in my neighborhood he or she gets the full in their face treatment. Most needle shooters are white so the Mexicans around here are more than willing to help me give them the heave ho.

Needle shooters get permanent war. There's no other way to keep my family safe.

But.... you just said your family is not safe. How are you 'keeping' them safe, when you're perpetuating the environment?

 

[hunboldt]

Being a rehabilitator is not the same as being an enabler. An enabler is someone who buys the drugs for them, or pushes them to use said drugs. Or locks them in a prison with a steady supply of said drugs and no support to clean up.



Or a needle exchange.



But.... you just said your family is not safe. How are you 'keeping' them safe, when you're perpetuating the environment?

'EXACTLY. We should be buying the stuff in Bulk overseas,, registering the addicts, and letting them 'safe fix'. Then get on with their lives.

Our war on drugs policy is soooo failed. Drives up crime, costs big time.