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[captain morgan]

Better yet, when you are sitting in the pew behind ol' Lego Hair, why don't you just whisper in his ear?

You really need to believe that, don't you?

BTW - get in touch with Christy on this or is she a bible-thumper too?.... I'm guessing that anyone that doesn't agree with you is a bible thumper.

 

[lone wolf]

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Listens with mouth open

 

[captain morgan]

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Slack-jawed drooler

 

[karrie]

Here's a fun stat for ya

"kills 100,000 people worldwide each year"

... Really impressive

The WHO puts alcohol related deaths at 2.5 million, worldwide, annually.

Then there's the issue of prescription drugs.... Facts on prescription drug deaths and the drug industry | Common Ground

Yeah, it sucks that people die. I would not recommend that ANYONE take up a drug habit of any sort if they can rationally avoid it. But, if they already have, and they're already addicted, then what? Let them suffer with risk from thereon out?

 

[captain morgan]

The WHO puts alcohol related deaths at 2.5 million, worldwide, annually.

Great, let's legalize and make all heroin free as per hunbolt's glittering stroke of genius and watch the death rates explode.

 

[karrie]

Great, let's legalize and make all heroin free as per hunbolt's glittering stroke of genius and watch the death rates explode.

It's been proven that's not what happens. Why do you keep trying to say it's what would?

 

[lone wolf]

Great, let's legalize and make all heroin free as per hunbolt's glittering stroke of genius and watch the death rates explode.

They wouldn't. Someone's watching - and a threat of termination to your "free stuff" if you screw up.

 

[hunboldt]

I don't suppose you have any links to back this up or is this just an assumption on your part? I have no doubt there are some that are like that but not sure about 'a lot'.

Switzerland has the lowest crime rates in the developed world, because they treat addicts instead of turning them into street *****s and burglars, then throwing them into expensive lock ups.

Crime in Switzerland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[karrie]

btw, I'm for legalization, but I don't support the idea of making it free.

 

[hunboldt]

I guess that reading isn't your strong suit.... Or lemme guess, you'll only accept the 'stats' as provided by Insite directly.

... The laughs still keep-a-comin' with you.

Hey - maybe you ought to pitch your 'free drugs and warehouse' idea to the gvt and Insite... With such compelling arguments AND hard stats from Portugal, there is no way that they won't get on board.

You'll be a hero!

POOR CM> you used to just move the goalposts.

You still haven't explained why Switzerland works.

 

[captain morgan]

btw, I'm for legalization, but I don't support the idea of making it free.

I'm mostly railing at the moronic suggestion on free supply.

I'm on the fence on legalizing it. Softer drugs are one thing but the heavier ones like H, Meth and crack make me think twice about it

POOR CM> you used to just move the goalposts.

You still haven't explained why Switzerland works.

Haven't convinced Christy yet?... Maybe you can score a few grams and talk about it with her over a cool buzz.

Lemme know how that works for ya

 

[Goober]

I'm mostly railing at the moronic suggestion on free supply.

I'm on the fence on legalizing it. Softer drugs are one thing but the heavier ones like H, Meth and crack make me think twice about it

I am with you - No legalization. Addicts get help and safe places to possibly acquire Govt controlled H and in a program for rehab. That I can live with. Lowers crime.
Keeps them from spreading infectious disease.
Yes I realize supplying them will be contentious.

 

[lone wolf]

If the risk is gone, profit is gone. If profit is gone, manufacturing and distribution have no incentive.

 

[BaalsTears]

BT, I REALLY feel for Americans and the need to garrison their 'hoods.

BUT, if you had a warehouse size clinic, and the addicts rolle d in for a free fix, counselling, clean up and health checks . they would get on with their lives and the drug money trade goes into crisis, as the high priced illicit stuff becomes next to worthless.

The FBI has enough seized stuff to ruin the whole distribution chain.

Santa Cruz provides all of those things through the govt. or community. The welcoming attitude here, moderate climate, and tolerant public tend to draw a higher than usual concentration of needle shooters.

I'm against the drug war. But any needle shooter who enters my neighborhood immediately gets targeted through the local internet neighborhood watch. Then we muster, I round up the muy locos, and we act when the target is unsuspecting and alone.

I'm able to get some tough gangsters to go after needle shooters by telling them the shooters are threats to their kids.

 

[lone wolf]

Santa Cruz provides all of those things through the govt. or community. The welcoming attitude here, moderate climate, and tolerant public tend to draw a higher than usual concentration of needle shooters.

I'm against the drug war. But any needle shooter who enters my neighborhood immediately gets targeted through the local internet neighborhood watch. Then we muster, I round up the muy locos, and we act when the target is unsuspecting and alone.

I'm able to get some tough gangsters to go after needle shooters by telling them the shooters are threats to their kids.

So you don't like gangs but you'll use gang tactics. I suggest you're your own biggest problem

 

[hunboldt]

I am with you - No legalization. Addicts get help and safe places to possibly acquire Govt controlled H and in a program for rehab. That I can live with. Lowers crime.
Keeps them from spreading infectious disease.
Yes I realize supplying them will be contentious.

Goob- the Swiss have e worked out their treatment programs for over half a century. If 5-10 of your society needs opiates, BUY it CHEAP in KABUL, refine it, and GIVE it to them.

It Works.

Captain Fundie still can't explain why- but Switzerland runs well. Trust me. the country doesn't have East Hastings.

CM, you still haven't explained why Switzerland isn't an 'economic basket case'.. The world awaits your wisdom...

 

[Goober]

BT, I REALLY feel for Americans and the need to garrison their 'hoods.

BUT, if you had a warehouse size clinic, and the addicts rolle d in for a free fix, counselling, clean up and health checks . they would get on with their lives and the drug money trade goes into crisis, as the high priced illicit stuff becomes next to worthless.

The FBI has enough seized stuff to ruin the whole distribution chain.

You can talk all you want but when it comes down to family safety. What would you do in his position.
He has been quite descriptive in what it is like.
So what would you do. Ask them to leave. After that fails what would you do.

 

[captain morgan]

Hunboldt:
CM, you still haven't explained why Switzerland isn't an 'economic basket case'.. The world awaits your wisdom...


Never did make that claim.... More proof that reading comprehension is waaayyyy down on the list of your competencies.

On that note, I did ask if you spoke to Christy on strengthening the BC economy via following Switzerland's plan and legalizing H... No answer on that I see.

I suppose that I shouldn't be all that surprised.

BTW - love the fundie references, but it's pretty clear that it is your only crutch for not having any answers... Nice try though

I am with you - No legalization. Addicts get help and safe places to possibly acquire Govt controlled H and in a program for rehab. That I can live with. Lowers crime.
Keeps them from spreading infectious disease.
Yes I realize supplying them will be contentious.

Contention doesn't bother me, it's all about the effectiveness of the plan.

Gvt supplied (free) H could easily work, but only on a kick-the-habit basis where the 'patient' is at a facility full time the H is administered in smaller and smaller doses until such time that the person is able to cope without massive withdrawls.

In my view, it's impossible to do this on an out-patient basis

 

[karrie]

Why are you misattributing other people's words to me captainmorgan?

 

[captain morgan]

I'm unsure what you are speaking towards here... I have pretty much included quoted text when I have responded to you.