Vancouver Safe Injection Sites a Success

[hunboldt]

Very true, but I'm also guessing that the functional addicts aren't the ones that are using Insite and populating the areas ina and around Hastings



Nope... Canada would suffer immensely if we didn't have all that economic spin-off from war mongering

Again- SO WHAT??
Morgan- it's like an Ark. or Portugal. Take your choice.

Portugal abandoned the 'crusade against DRUGS during the Rose Revolution- and NEVER looked back.

WHY in Heaven's name would ANYONE want to BLOW the public purse to teach some poor little skank ***** in Vancouver 'Christian Discipline'? Because the GWB admin did it??

That is just weird, man.

 

[captain morgan]

Again- SO WHAT??
Morgan- it's like an Ark. or Portugal. Take your choice.

Portugal abandoned the 'crusade against DRUGS during the Rose Revolution- and NEVER looked back.

WHY in Heaven's name would ANYONE want to BLOW the public purse to teach some poor little skank ***** in Vancouver 'Christian Discipline'? Because the GWB admin did it??

That is just weird, man.

Where are you getting the idea that I have any ideas of forcing rehabilitation on anyone? Drugs will make their way into the community and people will choose to consume them as they feel fit.

Make the help available for those that get tired of living that life style, but organizing a 'warehouse' and dispensing unlimited quantities of junk will serve only to support an increasing population of dependants that are doomed to live a life of misery and health woes.

You'll also need a small army of healthcare pros to administer to this city of drooling idiots that will spend their days hammering their veins and burning their livers... The very same thing would happen if you organize free booze for all the alcoholics out there

You might want to think about replacing the warehouse-clinic with a full scale hospital as it will at least provide beds, food and no wait time for an ambulance when the ODs hit high gear.

BTW - Take a look how the communities in Thailand, Vietnam and Cambodia treat those that are involved in the trade as a user/pusher... 'Christian Discipline' indeed

 

[Cliffy]

Where are you getting the idea that I have any ideas of forcing rehabilitation on anyone? Drugs will make their way into the community and people will choose to consume them as they feel fit.

Make the help available for those that get tired of living that life style, but organizing a 'warehouse' and dispensing unlimited quantities of junk will serve only to support an increasing population of dependants that are doomed to live a life of misery and health woes.

You'll also need a small army of healthcare pros to administer to this city of drooling idiots that will spend their days hammering their veins and burning their livers... The very same thing would happen if you organize free booze for all the alcoholics out there

You might want to think about replacing the warehouse-clinic with a full scale hospital as it will at least provide beds, food and no wait time for an ambulance when the ODs hit high gear.

BTW - Take a look how the communities in Thailand, Vietnam and Cambodia treat those that are involved in the trade as a user/pusher... 'Christian Discipline' indeed

If drugs were legalized, just think of the vast amount of money that would be freed up from law enforcement. All that would happen is that there would be a different focus on addicts. It is a health problem. The criminal activities like B & Es would become non-existent.

Just look at alcohol prohibition. How much money and lives were wasted. It doesn't matter what poison the people are consuming, their will always be a percentage that are abusers. Most people who drink are not alcoholics and yet, it has been shown that alcohol is one of the most addictive substances out there. Cigarettes are harder habit to kick than heroin; ask any junkie who tried quitting both. Cigarettes are treated as a disease. Make them illegal and see what a problem that would create. Cigarette addicts far outnumber junkies and the problems it would make would make the junkie problem look like kindergarten mischief.

 

[karrie]

... will serve only to support an increasing population of dependants

Care to supply some stats for where the numbers have increased?

 

[hunboldt]

Where are you getting the idea that I have any ideas of forcing rehabilitation on anyone? Drugs will make their way into the community and people will choose to consume them as they feel fit.

Make the help available for those that get tired of living that life style, but organizing a 'warehouse' and dispensing unlimited quantities of junk will serve only to support an increasing population of dependants that are doomed to live a life of misery and health woes.

You'll also need a small army of healthcare pros to administer to this city of drooling idiots that will spend their days hammering their veins and burning their livers... The very same thing would happen if you organize free booze for all the alcoholics out there

You might want to think about replacing the warehouse-clinic with a full scale hospital as it will at least provide beds, food and no wait time for an ambulance when the ODs hit high gear.

BTW - Take a look how the communities in Thailand, Vietnam and Cambodia treat those that are involved in the trade as a user/pusher... 'Christian Discipline' indeed

UHH_ HUH.
You didn't even bother to read the links I provided on the Portuguese programs, did you??

EVEN if your Apocalypse vision came 100 % true, MC ,its still way better than what we have now.


As to:
\Drugs will make their way into the community and people will choose to consume them as they feel fit.

MC, leo XIII drank Mariani French infusion daily

Hey - positive side benefits!

 

[JLM]

Care to supply some stats for where the numbers have increased?

Perhaps the actual number of addicts is only secondary to the amount of damage, mayhem and cost to the taxpayer they cost, directly and indirectly.

 

[karrie]

Perhaps the actual number of addicts is only secondary to the amount of damage, mayhem and cost to the taxpayer they cost, directly and indirectly.

Once again, the damage, mayhem, and cost reduce when you institute needle exchanges, safe injection sites, and regular daily brushes up against social workers poised to lend a hand rehabilitating them.

 

[hunboldt]

Sufferin' Peruvian Jesus!!! That's potent.

Yep. child's play...

 

[captain morgan]

If drugs were legalized, just think of the vast amount of money that would be freed up from law enforcement. All that would happen is that there would be a different focus on addicts. It is a health problem. The criminal activities like B & Es would become non-existent.

Legalizing the drugs wouldn't end the B&E cycle, assuming that there was a cost to get them (like booze)... Ultimately I wouldn't have that big a problem with legalizing them... It's the give-it-to-them-for-free proposal that I believe would end many lives functionally and practically speaking (heroin that is)

Just look at alcohol prohibition. How much money and lives were wasted. It doesn't matter what poison the people are consuming, their will always be a percentage that are abusers. Most people who drink are not alcoholics and yet, it has been shown that alcohol is one of the most addictive substances out there. Cigarettes are harder habit to kick than heroin; ask any junkie who tried quitting both. Cigarettes are treated as a disease. Make them illegal and see what a problem that would create. Cigarette addicts far outnumber junkies and the problems it would make would make the junkie problem look like kindergarten mischief.

Agreed, although I will suggest that suggesting that potential addiction rates being comparable between alcohol to heroin is unrealistic

Care to supply some stats for where the numbers have increased?

"Treatment centres in cities around Canada are struggling to cope with a surge of addicts — many younger than ever before — who are hooked on a rising tide of heroin pouring into this country from war-torn Afghanistan. "

Canada faces a flood of heroin and addicts

MC, leo XIII drank Mariani French infusion daily

Hey - positive side benefits!

I guess that doing coke everyday will lead to excelling in society.

Thanks for the chuckles

 

[taxslave]

Can't solve the problem, so just give up and be an enabler ..

Insite is the best we have right now to solve the problem. The four pillars aproch is the way to go. Putting pot smokers in jail does nothing to either stop use or educate users. All it does is make criminals to support the desire to build more jails and hire more snicil serpants to man them.

 

[JLM]

Legalizing the drugs wouldn't end the B&E cycle, assuming that there was a cost to get them (like booze)... Ultimately I wouldn't have that big a problem with legalizing them... It's the give-it-to-them-for-free proposal that I believe would end many lives functionally and practically speaking (heroin that is)



Agreed, although I will suggest that suggesting that potential addiction rates being comparable between alcohol to heroin is unrealistic



"Treatment centres in cities around Canada are struggling to cope with a surge of addicts — many younger than ever before — who are hooked on a rising tide of heroin pouring into this country from war-torn Afghanistan. "

Canada faces a flood of heroin and addicts




I guess that doing coke everyday will lead to excelling in society.

Thanks for the chuckles

There is one other major angle to consider. If all street drugs were legalized, how many more addicts would be end up having? Many people don't do drugs simply because they are against the law.

Legalizing the drugs wouldn't end the B&E cycle, assuming that there was a cost to get them (like booze)... Ultimately I wouldn't have that big a problem with legalizing them... It's the give-it-to-them-for-free proposal that I believe would end many lives functionally and practically speaking (heroin that is)



Agreed, although I will suggest that suggesting that potential addiction rates being comparable between alcohol to heroin is unrealistic



"Treatment centres in cities around Canada are struggling to cope with a surge of addicts — many younger than ever before — who are hooked on a rising tide of heroin pouring into this country from war-torn Afghanistan. "

Canada faces a flood of heroin and addicts




I guess that doing coke everyday will lead to excelling in society.

Thanks for the chuckles

Why the great concern over heroin, when we Crystal Meth. which is far more dangerous and debillitating?

 

[taxslave]

There is one other major angle to consider. If all street drugs were legalized, how many more addicts would be end up having? Many people don't do drugs simply because they are against the law.



Why the great concern over heroin, when we Crystal Meth. which is far more dangerous and debillitating?

As opposed to how many people started doing drugs because they are illegal?

 

[hunboldt]

There is one other major angle to consider. If all street drugs were legalized, how many more addicts would be end up having? Many people don't do drugs simply because they are against the law.



Why the great concern over heroin, when we Crystal Meth. which is far more dangerous and debillitating?

LESS> by 66 %
5 Years After: Portugal's Drug Decriminalization Policy Shows Positive Results: Scientific American

Care to supply some stats for where the numbers have increased?

He doesn't do that. It is against His Evangelical Alliance theocratic tradition...

 

[captain morgan]

He doesn't do that. It is against His Evangelical Alliance theocratic tradition...

I guess that reading isn't your strong suit.... Or lemme guess, you'll only accept the 'stats' as provided by Insite directly.

... The laughs still keep-a-comin' with you.

Hey - maybe you ought to pitch your 'free drugs and warehouse' idea to the gvt and Insite... With such compelling arguments AND hard stats from Portugal, there is no way that they won't get on board.

You'll be a hero!

 

[JLM]

As opposed to how many people started doing drugs because they are illegal?

I'm not sure what the numbers are and I'm not sure if we can find out. But it is probably quite a few. I know for myself if something is against the law, I'd sure think twice or more before breaking it.

 

[karrie]

I'm not sure what the numbers are and I'm not sure if we can find out. But it is probably quite a few. I know for myself if something is against the law, I'd sure think twice or more before breaking it.

Plenty of people don't do things simply because they know better. Unprotected sex with consenting strangers is legal for example. Taking prescriptions for heavy duty narcotics is legal, but lots of people turn it down even when recommended by docs, because they know the potential for addiction.

People tend to have their own best interests at heart.

"Treatment centres in cities around Canada are struggling to cope with a surge of addicts — many younger than ever before — who are hooked on a rising tide of heroin pouring into this country from war-torn Afghanistan. "

Canada faces a flood of heroin and addicts

That makes the stats coming out of Vancouver doubly impressive then. To be able to lower the rate, when it's booming elsewhere is no small feat.

 

[hunboldt]

Plenty of people don't do things simply because they know better. Unprotected sex with consenting strangers is legal for example. Taking prescriptions for heavy duty narcotics is legal, but lots of people turn it down even when recommended by docs, because they know the potential for addiction.

People tend to have their own best interests at heart.



That makes the stats coming out of Vancouver doubly impressive then. To be able to lower the rate, when it's booming elsewhere is no small feat.

Giving Heroin to Addicts: A New Treatment Gains Ground - TIME

Switzerland, like Portugal, GIVES core addicts FREE cocaine and Herion.
And The SWISS economy is falling APART,- right, Captain Morgan?
.

 

[captain morgan]

Giving Heroin to Addicts: A New Treatment Gains Ground - TIME

Switzerland, like Portugal, GIVES core addicts FREE cocaine and Herion.
And The SWISS economy is falling APART,- right, Captain Morgan?
.

Take it to Christy Clark - Tell it will boost the BC economy just like Switzerland

Her coordinates are:

The Honourable Christy Clark
Premier of British Columbia
Box 9041
Station PROV GOVT
Victoria, BC, V8W 9E1

(250) 387-1715

That makes the stats coming out of Vancouver doubly impressive then. To be able to lower the rate, when it's booming elsewhere is no small feat.

Here's a fun stat for ya

"kills 100,000 people worldwide each year"

... Really impressive

 

[hunboldt]

Take it to Christy Clark - Tell it will boost the BC economy just like Switzerland

Her coordinates are:

The Honourable Christy Clark
Premier of British Columbia
Box 9041
Station PROV GOVT
Victoria, BC, V8W 9E1

(250) 387-1715



Here's a fun stat for ya

"kills 100,000 people worldwide each year"

... Really impressive

Better yet, when you are sitting in the pew behind ol' Lego Hair, why don't you just whisper in his ear?

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

A lot of junkies are professional people that hold their jobs and are productive. I would wager that they have fewer sick days than alcoholics. What most people think of as junkies are the poor and under nourished ones. They are the ones that make the news. The functioning junkies are people like doctors, lawyers, dentists and the like. You probably run into every day and don't even know it.

I don't suppose you have any links to back this up or is this just an assumption on your part? I have no doubt there are some that are like that but not sure about 'a lot'.