School Safety

karrie

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I don't agree with schools in 24/7 lockdown. I shouldn't have to buzz in to see my own kid. I hate that. But, having drills in place for when something is ACTUALLY happening, that bothers me none.

And petros, you talk about raising ninnies, but you're the one who is saying kids collapse due to lockdowns. Which implies YOU wouldn't have the fortitude for a simple lockdown. That says a lot about you, but not a lot about the reality of what happens in our schools. My kids are apparently a hell of a lot tougher than you, because they do a lockdown, and they know it's just a precaution.

Nannyism happened.
JMO

hmmm. so fire drills, are those bad? How about first aid courses?

Nannyism. Yeah, it can be a bad thing, but teaching kids emergency preparedness and response, from you of all people I really didn't think that would be viewed simply as 'nannyism'. I'm curious, given your history, you must know a police officer or two, if you know their views of locking down a school when a crime occurs in the vicinity.
 

petros

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Pfffffffb. Chicken sh*t conformist. Someday, your kids are going to use your fears and weakenesses against you. You've exposed your *** and they can see it. I hope it's just regular competitive human nature and not deliberate when they do.

When was the last time a fire drill usurped your parental rights.

You gave the inch, get ready to lose a mile.
 

Sal

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I work in a locked school, people come and go like always. The kids are healthy, normal, bright bratty kids who don't even think about the doors being locked. And lets make this clear once again, the picture of "no access" are parents and the first time we had a lockdown it was due to a rampaging PARENT and if someone takes your child it will most likely be a parent and I am willing to bet that the stats on that are in the 90 percentile.

That's the type of world we live in now a days. The schools are 100% legally responsible for your kid during the day from the time that bell rings and that includes locating that child if they are not present. That too is the world today.

Just because things change does not mean we have gone to hell in a hand basket. As human beings our biggest advantage is our ability to be fluid.

One of the problems with aging is we lose our desire to be flexible emotionally and mentally was well as physically.
 

Sal

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Flipping it off as "that's the way it is" is chicken sh*t way out.
I am not flipping anything off. It is merely a starting point to understanding and thus accepting that the way we grew up is long gone. Different ways for a different world. I see you flipping it off. Your way or no way because every other way is chicken sh*t.

I find no value in that approach. To me it is like throwing one's hands up and saying "hopeless".

I never view a situation as hopeless, only people's approach or attitude can make things "hopeless".
 

gerryh

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I am not flipping anything off. It is merely a starting point to understanding and thus accepting that the way we grew up is long gone. Different ways for a different world. I see you flipping it off. Your way or no way because every other way is chicken sh*t.

I find no value in that approach. To me it is like throwing one's hands up and saying "hopeless".

I never view a situation as hopeless, only people's approach or attitude can make things "hopeless".

locking down a school 24/7 is throwing up your hands and saying hopeless. Paranoia at it's highest. What a thing to be teaching our kids. As a society we learn nothing, we don't grow at all. through the 60's and 70's it was fear of nuclear holocaust. Now it's terrorists and murder/abduction.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqYH3XVNJE8

that about sums it up
 

talloola

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I see locking the schools as common sense,and not anything to do with fear, but a 'direct'step to keep
out the people who would pick on the innocence of children and unarmed teachers.

It is an intelligent security move. Then the gun toters who are mentally incompetent, or just plain mean
can go somewhere else to wield their insanity and violence.

All this stuff about defending yourself and learning how to punch back has nothing to do with lock downs,
but everythig to do with continueing violence. And that is all about boys anyway, what about the girls,
would you tell them the same thing.

The overreacting about locking the schools is fear. Just lock the damn doors, get to work, organize
how parents can come and go, that is done, the idea that one can't get into the school to see their
own child is ludicrous, they can.

And also, sit in a roomwith the parents of the dead children, and have a conversation with them, and
the love ones of the dead teachers.

There is nothing wrong with safey measures to save lives, our schools should not be open targets.

Why don't those gun wielding violent sickheads target police stations, banks, and other organizations
who have security.

Imagine just 'one' of your children or grandchildren lying dead from that type of violence, the imagine
what your reaction would be.
 

gerryh

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I see locking the schools as common sense,and not anything to do with fear, but a 'direct'step to keep
out the people who would pick on the innocence of children and unarmed teachers.

It is an intelligent security move. Now the gun toters who are mentally incompetent, or just plain mean
can go something else to wield their insanity and violence.

All this stuff about defending yourself and learning how to punch back has nothing to do with lock downs,
but everythig to do with continueing violence. And that is all about boys anyway, what about the girls,
would you tell them the same thing.
an
The overreacting about locking the schools is fear. Just lock the damn doors, get to work, organize
how parents can come and go, that is done, the idea that one can't get into the school to see their
own child is ludicrous, they can.

And also, sit in a roomwith the parents of the dead children, and have a conversation with them, ad
the love ones of the dead teachers.

There is nothing wrong with safey measures to save lives, our schools should not be open targets.

Why don't those gun wielding violent sickheads target police stations, banks, and other organizations
who have security.

Imagine just 'one' of your children or grandchildren lying dead from that type of violence, the imagine
what your reaction would be.



Oh shyte, I'm sorry. I didn't realize that this was an everyday thing happening at all schools across North America. How stupid of me. I was under the understanding that the actual instances were few and far between. Obviously the violence perpetrated against student and teacher a like is FAR more prevalent than it has ever been in history.



:roll::roll:
 

Sal

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I see locking the schools as common sense,and not anything to do with fear, but a 'direct'step to keep
out the people who would pick on the innocence of children and unarmed teachers.

It is an intelligent security move. Then the gun toters who are mentally incompetent, or just plain mean
can go somewhere else to wield their insanity and violence.

All this stuff about defending yourself and learning how to punch back has nothing to do with lock downs,
but everythig to do with continueing violence. And that is all about boys anyway, what about the girls,
would you tell them the same thing.

The overreacting about locking the schools is fear. Just lock the damn doors, get to work, organize
how parents can come and go, that is done, the idea that one can't get into the school to see their
own child is ludicrous, they can.

And also, sit in a roomwith the parents of the dead children, and have a conversation with them, and
the love ones of the dead teachers.

There is nothing wrong with safey measures to save lives, our schools should not be open targets.

Why don't those gun wielding violent sickheads target police stations, banks, and other organizations
who have security.

Imagine just 'one' of your children or grandchildren lying dead from that type of violence, the imagine
what your reaction would be.
great post!!!

The kids don't even notice it and like I have said repeatedly, locked doors bar PARENTS with no right to their kids from just walking through the door. They just buzz like they would in a home. We lock our homes for a reason. The same can be done in schools, little to no difference except that they are way more valuable than our possessions.
 

talloola

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great post!!!

The kids don't even notice it and like I have said repeatedly, locked doors bar PARENTS with no right to their kids from just walking through the door. They just buzz like they would in a home. We lock our homes for a reason. The same can be done in schools, little to no difference except that they are way more valuable than our possessions.

absolutely, why are some so afraid of simply locking a door, people have been doing that for generations
for safety reaons, but for hundres of kids and teachers, some find it 'silly' and 'fearful', makes no
sense.
The most precious important things in our lives, 'our' kids, why choose to leave them as open targets.
 

darkbeaver

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Modern public schools were always a bad idea anyway. When you have to lock the doors it's very far developed symptom of cultural and social decay probably but not entirely a result of modern education.
 

DaSleeper

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locking down a school 24/7 is throwing up your hands and saying hopeless. Paranoia at it's highest. What a thing to be teaching our kids. As a society we learn nothing, we don't grow at all. through the 60's and 70's it was fear of nuclear holocaust. Now it's terrorists and murder/abduction.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqYH3XVNJE8

that about sums it up





Can someone fix that https link??? thanks
 

Zipperfish

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I don't spend a lot of time worrying about my kids at their school. I don't even think the schools--at least in Canada--are any less dangerous than they were when I was growing up. Heck, we used to be able to smoke. These days that would be considered on par with terrorism.

In psychology, the prevailing theory is that you assess risk by your ability to recall memorable incidents, as opposed to an actual rational analysis. These days, since we're so carpet-bombed by a hand-wringing media ("What you don't know can KILL YOU!!!!!"), I think people overestimate the risk we actually face.