Was Judas Jesus’ hero and most trusted disciple?
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Meh, enlightenment to me is what happens when you flip a light on, unburden myself of nutritionally depleted food in the bathroom, find clarity about a solution to a problem or puzzle, etc. Nothing mystical about it.
As far as Judas and Jesus go, I'm not convinced either existed in the first place, let alone what their relationship may have been.
As far as Judas and Jesus go, I'm not convinced either existed in the first place, let alone what their relationship may have been.
According to what I've been reading recently (Did Jesus Exist? by Dr. Bart Ehrman) it seems pretty clear that Jesus did exist, in the sense that there was a charismatic Jewish preacher or two, or three, or twenty, in 1st century Palestine--there was a lot of apocalyptic ferment around over the oppressive Roman occupation at the time--who said and did some of the things reported about Jesus, which I take to mean there's a core of truth in the tales but a lot of myth and legend has been built up around them since.
Although the evidence is scarce, I will accept that he (or they) may have existed. The myth comes with the deification of the Christ.
Yes, that's pretty much my take on it too, he did exist but was just an ordinary mortal and most of what's said about him isn't true. No virgin birth, no casting out of demons, no walking on water, no resurrections (his own or raising anyone else from death), no healings of the ill and injured, no ascending to godhood, none of that. That's all standard stuff claimed about religious figures far back into antiquity, long before Jesus' time, and after too, and there's no good reason to believe any of it.
LMAO ... evidence is scarce.
Say what you will... mock ... degrade... whatever.
But to say the evidence is scarce?
Hell all he did was make furniture in the Galilee area. Heck... you two guys from from Canada in 2013 are all on top of that sh*t.
What about Bigfoot Cliffy?
What about Bigfoot?
I don't mock or degrade. I take these things seriously, seriously enough to have spent 35 or more years studying the subject. I don't care what people believe, I'm just stating what I found out from my studies. I don't expect to change anybody's mind about it.
What about it? It has about as much possibility of existing, or having existed, as any other mythological being. I try not to believe in anything but I like to keep my mind open to possibilities. What I know is what I have experienced. The rest is all just opinion and speculation, just like everybody else.
I see all the biblical characters as archetypal and myths and they were never real.
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DL
No argument.
Have you seen this?
Caesar's Messiah: The Roman Conspiracy to Invent Jesus - YouTube
Regards
DL
I agree.
That deification was forced through by Constantine who wanted to be a Man/God.
Those actions or trends mimic what was done by the Roman/Flavian government shown in the link above.
Regards
DL
It is. The only source is the New Testament, there is no corroboration in any other documents of the time that he existed at all, we have only a few references in the centuries before Constantine to the annoying behaviour of some of his followers. But a somewhat complex and subtle historical argument for his reality can be made, which Professor Ehrman does with his usual clarity and wit, and I found it convincing. He almost certainly did exist, but only as a charismatic apocalyptic preacher, not the miracle working wonder man presented in the New Testament. All that stuff was layered on afterwards by people who never saw him but used him to further a political agenda.
Lester, your defishency of proper awe for the power of nature is diabolical.
No he didn't. The all in one real bleeding meat bag man scam was cooked up to appeal to the teeming masses of poorly educated unruly forigen workers infesting Rome. More efficient to focus resources on one superman than a pantheon. It's well documented. The whole Christian things a Hebrew invention. Crafty guys those Hebrew scribes. That fact's not even assailable. Ask the pope how sweet the deal was. The best story ever told, ain't that how it goes?
Why do only religious fanatics and atheist so love to discuss the Bible???????
Normal people don't really feel that need.......
Normal people don't really feel that need.......
That indicates that you think all the atrocities that the church continues to produce should be ignored.
Unfortunately for religions, those not lost to delusion have a social conscience and will try to fight those atrocities.
The religious would just love it if others would ignore their evilness.
For evil to grow, all good people need do is nothing.
Should we ignore these?
African witches and Jesus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlRG9gXriVI&feature=related
Jesus Camp 1of 9
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=48b_1185215493
Death to Gays.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMw2Zg_BVzw&feature=related
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DL
It sure don't take much to get a "Looney tunes" going huh?
Any excuse to get back on the ole' soapbox and rant......and in multiple forums at that..... a real fanatic...:roll:
You're not making any converts to your cause.......
Any excuse to get back on the ole' soapbox and rant......and in multiple forums at that..... a real fanatic...:roll:
You're not making any converts to your cause.......
It's not only them. It's the ones who understand that it matters, it's probably the largest single historical and cultural influence on what we are pleased to call western civilization. You'll never make sense of history or literature or any other important parts of the world you live in if you don't know about the Bible's role in them.
Because it is the only way to correct the mistakes. It's also quite interesting that you seem to consider yourself normal. I was not under that impression myself.
