Clueless CNN reporters are shocked at rape coverage backlash

[Goober]

it is not.

It's a pet peeve of mine to read through a thread, and see long strings of replies with improper quote attribution. For one it looks messy, and for another it sometimes looks like a poster other than the original poster who posted, actually posted the post... So when you're quoting someone, make sure that if you want it to look like this:
Quote: Originally Posted by Derphttp://forums.canadiancontent.net/showthread.php?p=12121212" \l "post12121212http://forums.canadiancontent.net/showthread.php?p=12121212" \l "post12121212
This is Derpy derp derp.
That your quote line looks like this (I will replace the square brackets [ , ] with { and }, otherwise it will look like above, and you won't see the syntax): {QUOTE=Derp;12121212} This is Derpy derp derp. {/quote} If you just want to quote part of someone's post, and don't care about the blue text and orange arrow linking back to the post, just make sure that your quote has two open and two closed square brackets. Again with replacing [ with { and ] with }, make sure you have this: {quote} Text you wish to quote {/quote} The {/quote} closes the quote. If you are missing the brackets, it can end up looking like this:

Oh, I know how it works, V.I. but these things aren't done for savvy shoppers- they are done for impulse shoppers who look at price and nothing else, ones who will choose the lowest price with no regard to weight, quality or anything else. The quote doesn't have the closed ] bracket after VanIsle. Now when other posters quote this post, it will propogate the error, and make it look like others have posted what in fact they did not.


{QUOTE=Derp;12121212} This is Derpy derp derp. {/quote} If you just want to quote part of someone's post, and don't care about the blue text and orange arrow linking back to the post, just make sure that your quote has two open and two closed square brackets. Again with replacing [ with { and ] with }, make sure you have this:

{quote} Text you wish to quote {/quote} The {/quote} closes the quote. If you are missing the brackets, it can end up looking like this:


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[JamesBondo]

No one is arguing otherwise..

oh good, then I guess the judge made a good ruling.

 

[CDNBear]

oh good, then I guess the judge made a good ruling.

Did he?

 

[JamesBondo]

I can appreciate the pet peeve about not using quotes. I use them when the comments are lengthy. I don't use them when the comments are short. I'll bet that before you could reach for the keyboard, you know that I am addressing you specifically, even without quoting you.

 

[Goober]

I can appreciate the pet peeve about not using quotes. I use them when the comments are lengthy. I don't use them when the comments are short. I'll bet that before you could reach for the keyboard, you know that I am addressing you specifically, even without quoting you.

Nope.

 

[SLM]

I don't think there's any question that there is much more to this whole story than meets the eye. All the allegations of cover-ups, hackers threatening to reveal names of "secret" participants, other high school students making threats against the complainant. And that's the stuff that's been making the papers, with more coverage than the actual trial in some cases.

The whole thing has been FUBARed from the jump. I don't think there's any real doubt as to her being sexually assaulted, there is photographic/video evidence. Courtesy of the perpetrators no less. But it's all the stuff that's gone on around it that's highly questionable.

 

[JamesBondo]

Nope.

um.....take your hands off the keyboard next time.

 

[CDNBear]

um.....take your hands off the keyboard next time.

Why don't you go join in a conversation on Justin bieber and let the adults have a discussion without you kids babbling on.

 

[Goober]

um.....take your hands off the keyboard next time.

It is after 8 should you not be in bed....................

 

[karrie]

Were they convicted of anything with regards to that?

So far they've been convicted of rape for "trying to finger her".

Which article states that? Or is that a transcript? Because it reads like a minimization, not a sentence.

 

[CDNBear]

Which article states that? Or is that a transcript? Because it reads like a minimization, not a sentence.

I found it through the links in Ton's posts.

From how that article read, it was the key factor in the ruling under Ohio State law.

 

[JamesBondo]

Why don't you go join in a conversation on Justin bieber and let the adults have a discussion without you kids babbling on.

twit

 

[shadowshiv]

What I find pathetic is that around 16 people refused to cooperate with the police. A girl was raped, and yet you don't want to say anything? Why? Are they trying to protect their buddies or was there another reason?

And I can't believe that people seem to think it's okay to videotape this sort of thing (and they also seem to like taping people getting the **** kicked out of them by a group of people). Of course, if this was not videotaped, would they have still gotten charged? Small measure of karma, I guess, for deciding to do such a despicable deed.

And if the coach knew about this and did nothing? Fire him and charge him. Looking after the well-being of the criminals over the victim is never okay.

 

[SLM]

What I find pathetic is that around 16 people refused to cooperate with the police. A girl was raped, and yet you don't want to say anything? Why? Are they trying to protect their buddies or was there another reason?

And I can't believe that people seem to think it's okay to videotape this sort of thing (and they also seem to like taping people getting the **** kicked out of them by a group of people). Of course, if this was not videotaped, would they have still gotten charged? Small measure of karma, I guess, for deciding to do such a despicable deed.

And if the coach knew about this and did nothing? Fire him and charge him. Looking after the well-being of the criminals over the victim is never okay.

Now I honestly haven't followed this story all that closely but, given the apparent or alleged "cover up" insinuations, I'd wager that the whole protectionist philosophy or tendencies probably contributed to the whole thing in the first place. There is always a hierarchy amongst juveniles, those that are more "privileged" than others because of social status. When you add to that the propensity for adults to smooth things over for them due their status (gotta make sure the QB gets good grades kind of thing) what kind of an ego trip does that do on someones head? Not that I am excusing it or the behaviour in any way, shape or form. Far from it. But you build up these kids to have a huge superiority complex and they take dumb, stupid kid stuff to a whole other level. I think being a teenager is really all about "the Id", I see-I want kind of mentality. So you take all that and add a pack mentality to it, it's a huge recipe for disaster.

Again I'm not trying to justify or excuse any of it, but I don't see it so much as a decision being made to commit an act as it is a no-barriers world that most teenagers live in exacerbated to a completely different level. Then after the fact the issue is further compounded by the adults of the community, who've convinced themselves in some way that denial is the best course of action because that doesn't require them to look too deeply at their own complicit natures. Like I said earlier, FUBARed from the get go.

Everyone has some measure of blame in these scenarios.

 

[petros]

What I find pathetic is that around 16 people refused to cooperate with the police. A girl was raped, and yet you don't want to say anything? Why? Are they trying to protect their buddies or was there another reason?

A lot of people don't trust or like the police anymore.

They see it as "doing the pigs a favour".

 

[Niflmir]

Everyone has some measure of blame in these scenarios.

Minus the victim. I'm sure you agree with that anyways.

Probably the CNN reporter could have gotten their message across by arguing that the adults that tried to coverup the whole situation deserved the stigma of sex offender more than the minors. Even then... asking people to have compassion for rapists kind of exposes you.

 

[karrie]

I found it through the links in Ton's posts.

From how that article read, it was the key factor in the ruling under Ohio State law.

Okay, as much as I'm loathe to do it, I went to T's embedded Wiki link (the one that simply says raped) to look up what they 'tried' to do. It doesn't support the notion that during the 6 hours they were sexually assaulting her, driving her from party to party, stripping, violating, and filming her for people's entertainment, that they simply 'tried to finger her'.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Okay, as much as I'm loathe to do it, I went to T's embedded Wiki link (the one that simply says raped) to look up what they 'tried' to do. It doesn't support the notion that during the 6 hours they were sexually assaulting her, driving her from party to party, stripping, violating, and filming her for people's entertainment, that they simply 'tried to finger her'.

Doesn't matter anyway. Even assuming that "trying to finger her" is all they did, that's rape under Ohio law.

Here's the relevant statute.

Lawriter - ORC - 2907.02 Rape.

Lawriter - ORC - Chapter 2907: SEX OFFENSES

The key language is "the insertion, however slight, of any part of the body or any instrument, apparatus, or other object into the ******l or **** opening of another."

 

[The Old Medic]

Cdn Bear, I have NEVER "had a drunken romp". I was raised to understand that you do NOT take advantage of children, the mentally ill, physically disabled, those not in control of themselves, etc.

Or to put it simply, I was raised with MORAL TEACHING, something that you imply you did not get.

There is absolutey NO excuse for what those CRIMINALS did, the only sad part concerning them is that they got such a light sentence.

Yes, they will have to register as sex offenders for the rest of their lives. This will prevent them from ever entering into any licensed occupation, any occupation in which they would deal with money, working with children or the handicapped, etc.

It was THEIR poor decision making that caused this, and nothing else.

Shame on anyone that excuses such behavior!

 

[SLM]

Minus the victim. I'm sure you agree with that anyways.

Of course, the ultimate responsibility for the specific act itself lies with the person who committed the act. We have free will, we choose what we do with it. The choice could have been made to walk away.

But there's no denying the influence of the pack mentality that sets in when these things occur. And it's not male vs female either, as evidenced by the teenage girls that have been accused of threatening the victim over what happened. That there are adults apparently condoning the behaviour by omission of speaking out against it only adds to the problem.