Actually in the vast majority of cases it had nothing to do with homosexuality.
See the half-dozen studies I cited above. Where's your proof? Or are you going to continue blowing smoke?
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Actually in the vast majority of cases it had nothing to do with homosexuality.
See the half-dozen studies I cited above. Where's your proof? Or are you going to continue blowing smoke?
Of course they had to do with homosexuality. I don't consider any of your studies valid.. They mostly seem to deal with existence of pedarasty in the priesthhood.. which i've never denied.
Church studies show that between 4 - 6% of priests in the West have commited pederasty.. going from a single isolated act to habitual behaviour involving scores or even hundreds of young men. It is much less prevelant in the Developing World, where there are stronger social prohibitions against homosexuality.
That sais nothing of the Church or its rules for celibacy.. only that there is a group of degenerate imposters in the priesthood.. who entered the life because it provided a convenient cover, protection (at one time) and opportunities for their crimes.
There's any number of phony academic studies out there.. always in service of some political agenda.. and none is more powerful.. or more corrupt now than than of lobby for homosexual affirmation, legitimization and celebration.
Lumping sexual predators in with consensual sexuality of any sort is flawed. I find the notion of attempting to label homosexuality according to the actions of pedophiles or ephebophiles as flawed as attempting to claim that all straight men are rapists just because some are.
That's because you're an ignorant, brainless bigot. It's because of ignorant fu ckwads like yourself that the Catholic Church is in the fix it is in right now.
The Bible does not require rabbis to marry. In the Talmud it is suggested that an unmarried man could not be qualified to teach Torah to children. But it is not explicitly stated that a rabbi has to be married.
The Protestant Church was founded in large part because much of Catholicism had nothing to do with Jesus or the Bible. Then again who am I to say? I only use the Old Testament.
What is encouraged is that Rabbis be fully involved in the community and ordinary life.
To help stem the flow of scandal, priests should be permitted to marry in the Latin Rite. Celibacy should be optional. Even the Cardinal in the OP is under a cloud. Time to acknowledged that priests should be allowed to express their sexuality.
You know what, Coldstream, it doesn't matter WHAT your sexual preference is, abusing kids sexually is WRONG. End of story, full stop, no passing go.
Such things are disgusting not only to straight people, but also a lot of gays. Pedophiles are PEDOPHILES, when it comes to abuse of kids, it's got nothing to do with sex in any sort of normal sense. It's power; it's that power that allows an adult of either sex to abuse a child of either sex. As disgusting as it is to think about, it's the power to get someone to do something to you, which feels "good", and you are in total and complete control.
The only difference between an adult sexually abusive relationship and a child sexually abusive relationship is the innocence and youth of the child. In essence, it's still all about the same thing; Power.
Your adamant continual ignorance that says these... things (because face it, pedophiles of any sex are not worth being called human) are strictly "gay" is just...
I am going to say it. To continually say that the pedophiles doing this to kids are ALL gay in my eyes makes you JUST as bad as them.
By your logic, we should also start claiming that all pedophiles are heterosexuals, because there are opposite sex abuse going on as well. And we could, except you seem to think it can't happen, that all pedophiles are homosexual. Well they're not. These things used opportunity and the male dominance of their positions (priesthood) and the male focus of their institution (men dominate the Catholic Church) to prey on mostly boys (because boys are the "helpers" of most churches). That's why it's mostly male/male. It has nothing to do with gender but all to do with accessibility and availability.
Your continual lies and half-to-non truths about this entire subject does nothing but harm innocent gay men by lumping them into a disgusting practice that has nothing to do with gayness what so ever.
And if you are a representation of what your "God" believes, then I hope your faith dies a quick and painful death soon.
.. right back at you gerryh.. you're a fool..
i've never said anything that chastises personally a person for inclinations to homosexuality except that its practice a degrading, soul destroying and frankly dangerous activity.. there's no doubt about that. Nothing of the affirmation or celebration that has drenched the media in the last 30 years has changed that or ever will.
It's you who is the bigot.. It's you who have given up on these people.. it's you who encourages people to follow their most debased carnal inclinations by power of will to gratification.. when everything good in them repels them from it
why don't you grow up.. and stop being such a damn idiot.. such a dupe.
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Top U.K. cardinal Keith O'Brien resigns after inappropriate conduct accusations | Toronto Star
Cardinal Keith O'Brien who made these comments.. has resigned, and will not participate in the Conclave.. due to 'inappropriate' conduct in his past.. read that as homosexual encounters.
also..
It is likely that an investigation of the blackmail and homosexual cliques in Vatican by 3 Cardinals led to B16s sudden resignation. He was likely crushed a sense of betrayal of some close to him.. although i think his resignation was inevitable in his own mind.. doing so before Easter, the 8th anniversary of his Pontificate and especially the release of his last Encyclical on Faith (which won't be released now).. all of which would have happened within a couple of months.. shows the level of devastation this inflicted on this Holy and brilliant man.
Where ever homosexual goes.. disorder and decay follows.. in society and in the individual.
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CS, your opinions regarding homosexuality and child molestation are simply not supported by the facts
Facts About Homosexuality and Child Molestation
Conclusion: Homosexuals are no more likely than heterosexuals to molest children.
A demographic does exist which is more likely to molest children. That would be men:
Child sexual abuse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Men are also more likely to commit violent crimes including murder and rape, which is why our prisons have about 10x's more men than women.
Gender and crime - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Regarding the blackmailed priests and resignations... Sexual orientation wouldn't be a problem if the Catholic church ordained gay priests.
Facts About Homosexuality and Child Molestation
Conclusion: Homosexuals are no more likely than heterosexuals to molest children.
A demographic does exist which is more likely to molest children. That would be men:
Child sexual abuse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Men are also more likely to commit violent crimes including murder and rape, which is why our prisons have about 10x's more men than women.
Gender and crime - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Regarding the blackmailed priests and resignations... Sexual orientation wouldn't be a problem if the Catholic church ordained gay priests.
The opening line of this came at a convenient time the Pope is stepping down and there
are Cardinals they wish would stay home because the are going to be voting for a new
Pope and some of these people were like the present Pope, involved in covering up the
sex scandals they already have. Its like the wolves electing the hens who are going to
govern the hen house.
Doesn't matter if they can marry or not we have to have people in positions of trust who
at least have one shred of integrity
are Cardinals they wish would stay home because the are going to be voting for a new
Pope and some of these people were like the present Pope, involved in covering up the
sex scandals they already have. Its like the wolves electing the hens who are going to
govern the hen house.
Doesn't matter if they can marry or not we have to have people in positions of trust who
at least have one shred of integrity
While unfortunate this is a matter that has been over looked for years with the Church. The recent choices to turn the matter over to the local authorities may be a signal that they are recognizing the basic US premise "that no person is either above or below the law." BUT.. only time will tell. Maybe this will be start to break up the alleged Bunky Busters club?
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That is correct - Torah teaches that the teacher leads by both commandment and example. Thus, a single adherent may also exemplify the ideal life but a married person is given preference (though not explicitly required) in the Talmud.
Coldstream, the absolute hatred and bile that seems to boil forth from you about homosexuals is astounding. Why to you feel that just because someone is gay they are decadent, have no soul, are the cause for abuse in the Church, or the cause for so much rampant moral decay? A priest that molests a child does so because they are a pedophile, not because they are gay. That is an insult to gay people that are in a normal, loving relationship with their partner. Heck, it's an insult to gay people altogether!
As to the main topic, I am glad that marriage may be in the future for Catholic priests(the ones that are practicing celibacy). They should be able to get married if they so desire.
As to the main topic, I am glad that marriage may be in the future for Catholic priests(the ones that are practicing celibacy). They should be able to get married if they so desire.
The fool is you.
liar.
:roll:, the dupe is yourself. Get thee behind me satan.
So much for innocent until proven guilty.
more unsubstantiated crap. You seem to be getting very good at that. I'm beginning to think that you are working towards the downfall of the Holy Roman Catholic Church.
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where ever decay and disorder festers it will produce a garden of weeds.. The Church needs a strong commander to purify its cadre.. and consolidate its defenses.. as it faces an onslaught of a most determined Enemy..fiercer than it has seen for 500 years at least.
And like it or not the fate of Western and Christian Civilization depends on the man who will wear the shoes of the fisherman.. its all coalescing now.. hell hounds howling at the gates.
Wrong.. i believe homosexuals.. or more accurately people entangled in homosexuality.. have souls.. free will.. conscience.. an ability to amend their lives. I've never spoken of the redemption because that is something in God's hands not my own. I can no more affirm homosexuality than i can murder or thievery.. or suicide.. since it involves a deliberate decision on the part of the participant to contavene natural and divine law.
You are correct that i condemn homosexuality for what it is... a failure of the will.. a submission to pride.. lust (especially power lust).. carnality.. sloth.. self idolatry.. promiscuity. But i didn't write the rules.. they're imprinted on everyone's conscience.. no matter how submerged or convoluted by sophistry they have become.. they can still be accessed. That's why homosexuality causes such neurosis, confusion and misery amongst its practitioners.
As for the marriage bit.. don't have any illusion that the new Pope or any of his successors will re-institute this for priests in the Latin Rite.. or ordain priestesses.. or rethink the Church's position on homosexuality.. to become more inclusive. It's not going to happen!
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