POLL: Should a Grade 12 Education Be Mandatory?
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Historically... up until the post WW2 period... school for the vast majority of people was intended to instill basic literacy and arithmetical skills and some civic contexts. People could earn good livings when they had that by getting into the apprenticeships for trades.. or in the retail sectors.
Past about Grade 10 the curriculum deals with language as an art, abstract mathematics and conceptual sicences.. which unfortunately for a lot of people hold little in the way of interest.. and won't be used.
This obsession we have developed over math and science scores belies the fact that our economy is no longer creating enough jobs that require manual or verbal dexterity.. which means a lot of people are being pushed into things that they have little aptitude for or interest in.
In fact it's not creating enough jobs period, which is why colleges and universities are now being used to warehouse young people for whom there is no suitable employment available, no matter how well or sophisticated their education.. and why they've been turned into paper factories rather than academies of higher learning.
Past about Grade 10 the curriculum deals with language as an art, abstract mathematics and conceptual sicences.. which unfortunately for a lot of people hold little in the way of interest.. and won't be used.
This obsession we have developed over math and science scores belies the fact that our economy is no longer creating enough jobs that require manual or verbal dexterity.. which means a lot of people are being pushed into things that they have little aptitude for or interest in.
In fact it's not creating enough jobs period, which is why colleges and universities are now being used to warehouse young people for whom there is no suitable employment available, no matter how well or sophisticated their education.. and why they've been turned into paper factories rather than academies of higher learning.
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no, he is still floundering around with his grade 12, but it isn't happening, and now he is
too far behind again this year.
yes, that is the norm now, but back in the 50s jobs were very available, lots of them, and many
did not require grade 12.
I had good skills which wouldn't have been much different after one more year of school, just
more polished, and a little more math.
I finished grade 11, and went on to have good office jobs with lots of chances to move up on the job,
that doesn't happen to people who don't have their grade 12 now. A different time a different life
back then.
Now that is frightening in a number of ways.
- She can't breath and the kid is on the computer asking what to do.
- The person who answers basically tells him to wait and monitor... 8O "
but the symptoms should gradually ease over the next 12 hours
Makes me wonder what happened to them. Part of the problem with the internet. Holy wow.
I have seen too many people go into bankruptcy because they cannot afford to re-pay student loans. In fact, I just missed bankruptcy court myself but managed to get out of that mess. If I had a crystal ball years ago I would have gotten my high school diploma and that's it. No college. Would have made far more money & been better off.
If I'd had a crystal ball I would have gotten a diploma from college instead of a BA from university. Who ffning knew? They all make a sh#tload of money more than me. And the job I had where i did make a sh$tload of money for most of my life, they could not have cared less what I had. They only cared what I could get others to produce. And for that all you need to understand is people and what motivates them.
YUP, age produces wisdom one could have used 20 f u k ing years ago.
Has he had a job during the last 2 years
If not then he should be given the truth of life - Finish and pass or find a job.
As for me, that was 43 years ago. Therefore, nothing has changed in the past generation. Education is so over rated and yet you keep hearing on TV and radio is that spending more money in school is going to help you financially when there is no such guarantee.
True. Or in my case, I don't have a specific diploma even though I have above what they require and what the diploma would teach me and have proven I can do the job. Doesn't matter, no diploma so can only do contract work which does not come with benefits and no guarantees.
But they will throw me in cold with no training because they know I can figure it out. Less headaches for them.
With my old man it would have been $50 and a sleeping bag from him and me returning the house keys to him if I brought home just one F in just one class.
It would?
Yep, people would know what the hell they are doing and a job would only have to be done once. Example:- condos in Vancouver 10 years ago.
The first thing I learned when I moved to the bush was that 90% of what I learned in school was completely useless to me. All that the bush taught me was through trial and error. Through that I learned critical thinking. Mistakes became fewer and life got easier. I was lucky, though, that mathematics came natural to me from birth, and the logic of how things worked came with it.
One time, here in Nakusp, a bunch of people, alternative health types, got together to form an organization. At the first meeting, everybody introduced themselves and the certificate(s) they held in their particular field of endevour. When it got to me, I said, "I don't have any certificates, but I am certifiable."
One time, here in Nakusp, a bunch of people, alternative health types, got together to form an organization. At the first meeting, everybody introduced themselves and the certificate(s) they held in their particular field of endevour. When it got to me, I said, "I don't have any certificates, but I am certifiable."
Do you think diplomas and certificates are the be all and end all? I know lots of people that have no certifications or diplomas and have better skill sets than those with the certifications. I know red seal mechanics, plumbers, gas fitters, and tin bashers that shouldn't be allowed to touch a tool, and on the other hand I know non "licensed" back yarders and HVAC techs that make the licensed guys look like hacks.