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Costs me very little to mess around building things of wood, sharpening lawnmower blades, changing oil in the hoe or cat, channeling so the runoff water goes into the creek, improving the efficiency of the power supplies, etc. Doesn't cost the wife a lot to do her gardening, carving, playing her flutes, etc. We both read, hike, snowshoe, bike, shovel snow, go fishing, play with the mutts, etc.
Like I said, boredom is for those with no imagination. Can't find something you can afford to do? Also, due to a lack of imagination.

I admire your work ethic. Some people have the idea that they don't have to put forth the effort (work) to enjoy life. If I ever get bored it's game over for sure. Can't find something to do, that is alien thinking.
 

JLM

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Costs me very little to mess around building things of wood, sharpening lawnmower blades, changing oil in the hoe or cat, channeling so the runoff water goes into the creek, improving the efficiency of the power supplies, etc. Doesn't cost the wife a lot to do her gardening, carving, playing her flutes, etc. We both read, hike, snowshoe, bike, shovel snow, go fishing, play with the mutts, etc.
Like I said, boredom is for those with no imagination. Can't find something you can afford to do? Also, due to a lack of imagination.

That's right, just maintaining physical health can take up to 2 hours a day and cost next to nothing except shoe leather, and you can easily spend a couple of hours a day keeping your mind sharp, also at next to no cost. $50 for seeds and fertilizer will cover the veg. patch.
 

gerryh

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Just a thought...

In 1990, this article states that only 30% of the workforce was over 55. Baby boomers at this time were between approximately 46 and 26 years old.

Now, lo and behold, almost 50% of the work force is made up of people over 55. I wonder why?



Something I don't see mentioned in here concerning the percentages of over 55's. The main reason is that the boomers also didn't have enough kids to replace them in the work force. We have a severe shortage skilled trades and it is because there are are not enough kids to fill them. Therefore boomers are needed to work past "typical" retirement.
 

taxslave

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Hell I go to work so I can rest up. The workload around home can be overwhelming at times. Anyways I don't have any interest in sports and we can only eat so many salmon so I need to work to keep busy. I enjoy it and would like to work to at least 70.
Early retirement suits government employees so well because nothing changes. Cheque still shows up regular with no input.
 

JLM

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Early retirement suits government employees so well because nothing changes. Cheque still shows up regular with no input.

Yep, for the bureaucrats but not for the rank and file! Actually the majority are pretty dedicated!
 

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Part of the Alberta disease is the vain assumption that resource revenues rather than personal taxes are a birthright. Gawd help us if we were asked to pay our way.


Interesting comment in that, generally speaking, over the last 20 years, AB has been debt free yet has offered among the largest per capita spending on education, healthcare, infrastructure, etc. That benefit, including those folks in Bow Island, enjoy on a daily basis.

The only AB disease that I see is the expectation that there be this never-ending supply of gvt sponsored solutions complimented by the expectation that someone else pay the freight be that royalties or through taxation. At the end of the day, AB doesn't have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem, yet no one wants to see the elephant in the room.
 

petros

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Early retirement suits government employees so well because nothing changes. Cheque still shows up regular with no input.
What is your idea of a Govt employee and what is your idea of a "good average wage"?

Does the the guy who empties trash barrels at the National Park live in a golf course facing mansion in Palm Springs and commute by jet or does the grease monkey working in the basement of a Fed building doing maintenance on back up gennys and boilers drive a Lamborghini? Are they making $110K a year?

What stopped you from going to trade school and getting Power Eng Cert and stuffing your azz in a Government building basement for 45 years making the same or less than any other guy stuck in a basement tending a boiler for 45 years? Would you have been making $110K a year?

Why aren't you working in a Fed prison as a guard having sh*t and spunk thrown in your face for a whopping $50-55K year? They aren't making $110K a year? Why not?

What stopped you from buying a ticket and riding the Govt gravy train where you can go from sitting a basement fixing things to sitting in your basement, in your mediocre home, in your mediocre neighbourhood fixing things? Do you think you would be making $110K a year?

Jesus man...hit the brakes and think about it a minute.

When you read the article about a Govt employee costing $110K a year how much of that was wages?

Are you an employer?

If you are you'd know damn well that there are costs involved above and beyond the wages of at least $5-$10 an hour in vacation pay, EI, CPP, WCB, insurance, matched pension contributions (if you're man enough to ante in) for a small company.

$32K a year which is basically $20 an hour becomes $42K at $30 an hour in a heartbeat for the employer.

Add in other things like vehicles, uniforms, transport, accommodation, training, OT, right down to pencils and paper clips averaged out over a company the size of Canada with bureaucrats right down guys and gals who empty trash at the National Parks and it's easy to get a number like $110K a year but very very very few are earning that much.
 

petros

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That's what happens when you work in redneck country.

That's what happens when you work.


These old dudes should move back to SK. It's $15K a year cheaper to live here and be paid the same. That's $180K to toss toward pensions if you 55 without pinching a penny.

$5K a year cheaper than ON.
 
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petros

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Revenue raised by Saskatchewan's 5% sales tax (2011-12) was approximately $1, 270, 700, 000.
http://www.finance.gov.sk.ca/budget2011-12/2011-12budgetsummary.pdf
With a population 3.3 times as great, an equivalent sales tax in Alberta would raise (conservatively) $4,2 billion annuallu.

The elephant in the room.
Tax or no tax it's still $15K a year cheaper to live here than AB

Average household expenditure, by province and territory (Canada)

And you don't have to pay $15 for a library card.
 

petros

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I hope you can understand Chicano Texan. Those damn 1/2 Million immigrants and their familias coming over the next ten years are going to give AB and SK an accent
 

captain morgan

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Revenue raised by Saskatchewan's 5% sales tax (2011-12) was approximately $1, 270, 700, 000.
http://www.finance.gov.sk.ca/budget2011-12/2011-12budgetsummary.pdf
With a population 3.3 times as great, an equivalent sales tax in Alberta would raise (conservatively) $4,2 billion annuallu.

The elephant in the room.

Still don't like the question that was asked, eh?

Here's an interesting read for ya: https://secure.cihi.ca/free_products/nhex_trends_report_2011_en.pdf

Page 52 provides the breakdown... You might want to take note of the differences in the provincial populations on this - kinda makes you wonder about the entitlement expectations of folks like yourself.
 

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Still don't like the question that was asked, eh?

Here's an interesting read for ya: https://secure.cihi.ca/free_products/nhex_trends_report_2011_en.pdf

Page 52 provides the breakdown... You might want to take note of the differences in the provincial populations on this - kinda makes you wonder about the entitlement expectations of folks like yourself.

Yes AB has a spending problem- the Govt. bought off the teachers- about 5 billion in pension shortfalls- Same with the rest of Civil Servants- Drs. Make the top wages in the country- Highest per capita spending on health care is in AB.
The Cons have pissed way billions.
And Ralphs ways were not always the right ways.
AB also has a tax & revenue problem- we should have been investing like Norway does-
 

taxslave

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What is your idea of a Govt employee and what is your idea of a "good average wage"?

Does the the guy who empties trash barrels at the National Park live in a golf course facing mansion in Palm Springs and commute by jet or does the grease monkey working in the basement of a Fed building doing maintenance on back up gennys and boilers drive a Lamborghini? Are they making $110K a year?

What stopped you from going to trade school and getting Power Eng Cert and stuffing your azz in a Government building basement for 45 years making the same or less than any other guy stuck in a basement tending a boiler for 45 years? Would you have been making $110K a year?

Why aren't you working in a Fed prison as a guard having sh*t and spunk thrown in your face for a whopping $50-55K year? They aren't making $110K a year? Why not?

What stopped you from buying a ticket and riding the Govt gravy train where you can go from sitting a basement fixing things to sitting in your basement, in your mediocre home, in your mediocre neighbourhood fixing things? Do you think you would be making $110K a year?

Jesus man...hit the brakes and think about it a minute.

When you read the article about a Govt employee costing $110K a year how much of that was wages?

Are you an employer?

If you are you'd know damn well that there are costs involved above and beyond the wages of at least $5-$10 an hour in vacation pay, EI, CPP, WCB, insurance, matched pension contributions (if you're man enough to ante in) for a small company.

$32K a year which is basically $20 an hour becomes $42K at $30 an hour in a heartbeat for the employer.

Add in other things like vehicles, uniforms, transport, accommodation, training, OT, right down to pencils and paper clips averaged out over a company the size of Canada with bureaucrats right down guys and gals who empty trash at the National Parks and it's easy to get a number like $110K a year but very very very few are earning that much.
Better rethink your numbers. Not many parks employees anymore. Most are contractors making little over minimum wage. Except of course the bureaucraps that put the jobs out to lowest bidder. Prison guards can easily make $80 G + bennies. Just have to work a little OT. SUpplies to do the job are not included in the cost of having an employee. If that were the case I would be an easy $250g. SO would you.

Tax or no tax it's still $15K a year cheaper to live here than AB

Average household expenditure, by province and territory (Canada)

And you don't have to pay $15 for a library card.

It is probably even cheaper than that when housing is taken into account unless Sask housing has jumped in the last couple of years.
 

captain morgan

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Yes AB has a spending problem- the Govt. bought off the teachers- about 5 billion in pension shortfalls- Same with the rest of Civil Servants- Drs. Make the top wages in the country- Highest per capita spending on health care is in AB.
The Cons have pissed way billions.
And Ralphs ways were not always the right ways.
AB also has a tax & revenue problem- we should have been investing like Norway does-

Apparently, Spade wants to spend even more by dipping in your pocket on a PST... I guess that will allow for even bigger spending programs and maybe some debt... At least his appetite for freebies will be satiated (for a while at least).

In terms of AB having a tax and revenue problem... We have billions available without having to assume debt... You (we) have to ask ourselves what are the expectations that we have and at what point do we stop trying to be all things to all people.

Whether you like him or not, Klein had it right - he forced the province to live within its means and didn't mortgage the future of unborn generations