Woman dies after brutal beating

Cliffy

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That can be dangerous!-:)
Doctors can be dangerous too. My friend's ex-wife was diagnosed with depression (while they were married) and was given SSRIs. She became a very different person, left the home and within a couple of months committed suicide.
I was given SSRIs once. I took them for a few days. I could not eat, sleep, walk or go to the bathroom. I just sat in an arm chair. I eventually fell asleep and when I woke up, I flushed the pills down the toilet. For while, I guess, there were some very stoned fish in the Fraser river. That was thirty years ago or so up in Quesnel. I taught myself how to cope with depression, which I have found, is a side effect of severe head trauma.

One thing I will ad, is that some people actually, sometimes benefit from SSRIs, but most just maintain and do not live life to its fullest. At best many are not that far removed from zombies, like I was. But, although most mass murders are perpetrated by people on SSRIs, if they affected everyone that negatively, we would probably all be dead as there are hundreds of thousand, in not millions, on them.
 
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Doctors can be dangerous too.

Yep, no doubt there is a few who are, but I think the vast majority are pretty good. I'd say there are far more "dangerous" patients than dangerous doctors. How many patients demand drugs? How many patients smoke, drink and eat at Big Macs?
 

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I agree they're overused, that we've become too reliant, etc.


But.


I know at least five people with either manic or clinical depression who went their whole lives without medication, who teetered on the edge of sanity, who attempted suicide, whose lives have turned around thanks to proper psychiatric care and antidepressants.

So I have a hard time listening to blanket statements about how evil they are, how it's all a big pharma conspiracy.
 

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I agree they're overused, that we've become too reliant, etc.


But.


I know at least five people with either manic or clinical depression who went their whole lives without medication, who teetered on the edge of sanity, who attempted suicide, whose lives have turned around thanks to proper psychiatric care and antidepressants.

So I have a hard time listening to blanket statements about how evil they are, how it's all a big pharma conspiracy.

It seems that people who are hung up on conspiracies don't have too many facts. Pretty well without exception when you get a prescription it is accompanied with instructions and cautions, and I would guess that people who end up dead from prescriptions didn't get there all of a sudden, they probably started out with a mild reaction they didn't report to their doctor. J.M.H.O.
 

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It seems that people who are hung up on conspiracies don't have too many facts. Pretty well without exception when you get a prescription it is accompanied with instructions and cautions, and I would guess that people who end up dead from prescriptions didn't get there all of a sudden, they probably started out with a mild reaction they didn't report to their doctor. J.M.H.O.

They got lots of fact. They are just selective in the use. Facts that don't fit the theory are ignored and ones that do are invented.
 

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I stumbled upon this forum by while reading about 2 tragic stories in which threads had been created. (Peter Lefabvre who beat his wife to death and himself, as well as more recently Alison Easton who killed her children and herself.)

I noticed that no comment suggested or questioned psychotropic drug use. I also noticed that no reporter appeared to have asked any witness about psychotropic drug use.

In both stories "depression" was mentioned as a circumstance.

I joined because I wanted to mention that in both of these horrific sad stories, they both had something in common which was lives ending in homicidal and suicidal acts which is a side effect of psychtropic drugs.

In researching the side effects of psychotropic drugs, I came to realize that many normal everyday people dont always know the side effects.

The side effects of these drugs can cause exactly what happened in both of these horrific events. (Suicidal and homicidal ideation, agression, violent behavior, delusion, loss of reality)

It seemed plausible to me (knowing that depression was cited in both tragedies as well as hospitalization in one), that psychtropic drug use was a logical treatment for both of the killers..

That said, I decided to join and take the oppurtunity to write about the side effects of these drugs which in my opinion are the likely cause of the horrendous outcome.

Whether they were or werent, is unknown as aparently no media asked the questions at least not in camera.

If one person who reads here at Canadian Content wasnt aware that these side effects exist and are real, maybe my writing will prompt them to do their own research on the side effects where they would also stumble upon many violent crimes where psychotrpic drug use and their side effects were the driving force behind the violence so to think twice before ever filling out a prescription for themself or their child.

It was with good intentions that I wrote here, with no other motive than helping spread the word.

Hopefully it will also prompt people to read many studies (one where I had posted a link) where it has been determined that these drugs dont work, and that the placebo effect is what is giving the person the feeling that the drug is helping as opposed to a sugar pill which apparently is giving the same affect.

I do acknowledge that these pyschotropic drugs clearly dont give everyone these horrific side affects but as long as these pills are being prescribed (hand over fist) for everything from quitting smoking to chronic pain to fisgety children, I think it is only fair to use any platform where the side affects are pointed out.

If anyone was insulted or offended by the message I have put out there, I apologize as it wasnt my intention.





In both stories "depression" was mentioned as a circumstance.
 

Sal

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I agree they're overused, that we've become too reliant, etc.


But.


I know at least five people with either manic or clinical depression who went their whole lives without medication, who teetered on the edge of sanity, who attempted suicide, whose lives have turned around thanks to proper psychiatric care and antidepressants.

So I have a hard time listening to blanket statements about how evil they are, how it's all a big pharma conspiracy.
Exactly right.
 

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Sadly, too many people feel that the "known side effects " of pharmaceutical drugs (suicidal and ihomicidal ideation are
blanket statements or conspiracy theories...

Hopefully my post, will prompt one to do their own research on the subject..

Did anyone notice that days leading up to the heinous tragedy of Travis Baumbartner (The G4S guard shooter where 4 innocent people lost their lives) he had posted comments on his Facebook and Twitter, that said ..

" June 1, Baumgartner wrote “I wonder if I’d make the 6 o’clock news if I just started poping (sic) people off.”

June 5, post on Twitter reads: “Crosses to burn, axes to fall and down on your knees you don’t look so tall,” a lyric from the Billy Talent song, Viking Death March.

On Thursday,June 13, in the hours before the shooting, Baumgartner quoted the Joker from the movie The Dark Knight, tweeting: “One night she grabs a kitchen knife to defend herself, now he doesn’t like that ... not ... one ... bit.”

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My first intuition told me that his writing sounds an awful lot like homicidal ideation, loss of reality, delusion, agression, violent behavior, and these posts immediately made me wonder if those 4 innocent lives were taken by the side affects of psychotropic drugs...

Of course no aired media showed any reporters asking the question The question begs .....was he on, or withdrawing from psychotropic drugs...?
 

petros

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It's like the hue and cry about these new "smart meters" (B.C. Hydro) - that "cause cancer" by people who are within arms length of electronic equipment all day while yapping on their cell phones-:)
My friend is in BC setting the "smart meter" system up for you. The dope growers can't hide now unless they are making their own power.

PS...stay away from "smart appliances".
;)
 

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My first intuition told me that his writing sounds an awful lot like homicidal ideation, loss of reality, delusion, agression, violent behavior, and these posts immediately made me wonder if those 4 innocent lives were taken by the side affects of psychotropic drugs...

Of course no aired media showed any reporters asking the question The question begs .....was he on, or withdrawing from psychotropic drugs...?[/QUOTE]


Because it isn't "helpful".


Because people do terrible violent things on a daily basis. Because likely some of those instances could have been prevented had they been medicated. So perhaps innocent lives could have been saved there too but the media doesn't ask that question either because "it isn't helpful.

See there's another side to the coin as well. Your agenda is preventing you from seeing that.

Some people I know would be long dead were it not for their drugs. One can not just generalize and label something as bad because the same thing can do good for someone else.

I have no doubt from what you have said that your heart is in the right place... but I think you have an agenda. People with an agenda have blinders on to other possibilities and can be misleading for that very reason.

It's a mixed bag in this life and like anything else there are extreme instances of everything.
 

Niflmir

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In some cases you are right, in some they are mentally ill. It's high time the health system starts dealing with these people instead of just putting them out on the street. We are supposed to be in the 21st century now where there is no longer shame in being mentally ill. :smile:

I came across an interesting (off topic) thought experiment on that: what would happen if you called up your boss and told them that you needed a day off work for mental health reasons? Short of a full blown nervous breakdown, I don't know how much tolerance there really is for people to proactively look after their mental health.
 

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I came across an interesting (off topic) thought experiment on that: what would happen if you called up your boss and told them that you needed a day off work for mental health reasons? Short of a full blown nervous breakdown, I don't know how much tolerance there really is for people to proactively look after their mental health.
Agreed because in most instances there is nothing concrete to prove one's illness. One is not sneezing and shedding virus or bacteria everywhere. It's like people who experience chronic pain, no markers for people to measure.

So we have come a ways with mental health issues but we are just beginning to break the surface really.
 

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Because it isn't "helpful".

Because people do terrible violent things on a daily basis. Because likely some of those instances could have been prevented had they been medicated. So perhaps innocent lives could have been saved there too but the media doesn't ask that question either because "it isn't helpful.

See there's another side to the coin as well. Your agenda is preventing you from seeing that.

Some people I know would be long dead were it not for their drugs. One can not just generalize and label something as bad because the same thing can do good for someone else.

I have no doubt from what you have said that your heart is in the right place... but I think you have an agenda. People with an agenda have blinders on to other possibilities and can be misleading for that very reason.

It's a mixed bag in this life and like anything else there are extreme instances of everything.

I do have an agenda... Its to help spread the word that psychotropic drugs have side affects that have lead people to homicide and suicide. Sadly, many regular everyday people dont know that...

Also, there are many independant studies that say these drugs dont work. The studies (blind and double blind) have concluded that it is only the placebo effect that gives people the feeling that they are better...

I dont have blinders on, in fact the people with the blinders are the ones who dont want to research the studies that show the drug doesnt work, as well as the violent crimes that were committed as a result of these drugs... Too many people believe that these situations are few and far between ....
 

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Agreed because in most instances there is nothing concrete to prove one's illness. One is not sneezing and shedding virus or bacteria everywhere. It's like people who experience chronic pain, no markers for people to measure.

So we have come a ways with mental health issues but we are just beginning to break the surface really.

People really don't take the sick days early enough either. When they just start to get the sniffles and realize that they have come down with something, they are simultaneously the most contagious and the least likely to feel like they need a day off. I almost think the Japanese habit of using face masks makes a bit of sense.

More on topic, I recently returned from a trip to India. They are really taking the rape cases seriously there. They instituted something like 2000 or so new courts and the first ruling was handed down by one of them: execution. I'm not a big fan of the death penalty, in fact I see it as a big injustice, but they are taking it seriously in their way.
 

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Agreed because in most instances there is nothing concrete to prove one's illness. One is not sneezing and shedding virus or bacteria everywhere. It's like people who experience chronic pain, no markers for people to measure.

So we have come a ways with mental health issues but we are just beginning to break the surface really.

The sad part is that anyone wishing to utilize public health care in getting help with depression/anxiety, has to be put on medication before being dealt with. It is a criteria in any hospital or public centre for mental illness..

The only people who can go for help (psychotherapy) without being drugged are the ones that can pay for help out of pocket..

Check it out for yourself.. make some calls .....

Fact: Canadian Content states the following....

"Canadian Content has always been about Canadians publishing 'content' online, that is, anything that may be of interest to Canadians. To date, the forums have been the most creative place to publish opinions ..."

So far I have aired my opinion and have thrown in the FACT that psychotropic drugs have a black box warning that states agression, violence, agitation loss of reality suicidal and homicidal ideation are known side effects ..and printed by the pharmaceutical companies.

It is my opinion that many of these violent crimes are being committed by people who are suffering from the known factual side effects.

I have formed the opinion that psychotropic drugs dont work because of reading many studies that say so.

I am of the opinion that psychotropic drugs are overprescribed and becoming a chemical staple in many households.

I am of the opinion that many people are misinformed about the safety of these psychotropic drugs.

I am of the opinion that psychotropic drug use is rampant among children for no more than fidgeting at their desk.

I am of the opinion that unless people educate themselves about these drugs, that they will creep into more homes.

I am of the opinionb that the media does not ask questions about psychotropic drug use while interviewing many witnesses of similar crimes.

I am of the opinion that the public would become more educated about the side affects of these drugs if they asked these questions to witnesses and kept printing the warnings on each of these meds.

I am of the opinion that society will be a better safer place with out these drugs based on the research that I have done regarding antidepressanst and violence.

I am of the opinion that many doctors and pharmacists downplay the known side affects and preach to society that they are safe drugs.

I am of the opinion that pharmaceutical companies are in business to profit and have hidden reports that doctors are rewarded financially every time they prescribe these drugs (because some have pleaded guilty to doing so)

I am sharing my opinions with the intention that my words and research will help my fellow neighbor ..... this is my agenda
 

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Last year, my grand daughter became the subject of the Ritalin discussion when her teacher couldn't keep up with her desire to learn. I'm pleased to report the family doctor told the teacher to go do something only theoretically possible for earthworms
 

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Last year, my grand daughter became the subject of the Ritalin discussion when her teacher couldn't keep up with her desire to learn. I'm pleased to report the family doctor told the teacher to go do something only theoretically possible for earthworms

Great to hear Lone Wolf,

Sadly teachers are overwhelmed with high class volumes and cut costs...

Many teachers are "diagnosing" students like your grandaughter, or ones that dont sit still... They are suggesting drugs and too many doctors comply where parents are blind to the effects of these drugs so they fill the prescription and so the chemical warfare begins..

Your example is one where your son/or daughter listened to the teacher by the fact that they brought her to the doctors...

Im glad her doctor wasnt as easily sold...

(Teachers can insist on medicating a child ) type in ...teacher demand medication

The DSM-IV says 3 - 7 percent of all school aged children (including kindergarten) have ADD...... WOW!!!!

Look how easy it is too label a kid and start drugging him....

From the DSM-IV
Diagnostic Criteria for the three subtypes of Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder according to DSM-IV:

A. “Persistent pattern of inattention and/or hyperactivity-impulsivity that is more frequently displayed and is more severe than is typically observed in individuals at comparable level of development.” Individual must meet criteria for either (1) or (2):

(1) Six (or more) of the following symptoms of inattention have persisted for at least six months to a degree that is maladaptive and inconsistent with developmental level:

Inattention
(a) often fails to give close attention to details or makes careless mistakes in schoolwork, work or other activities
(b) often has difficulty sustaining attention in tasks or play activity
(c) often does not seem to listen when spoken to directly
(d) often does not follow through on instructions and fails to finish schoolwork, chores or duties in the workplace (not due to oppositional behavior or failure to understand instructions)
(e) often has difficulty organizing tasks and activities
(f) often avoids, dislikes, or is reluctant to engage in tasks that require sustained mental effort (such as schoolwork or homework)
(g) often looses things necessary for tasks or activities (e.g., toys, school assignments, pencils, books or tools)
(h) is often easily distracted by extraneous stimuli
(i) is often forgetful in daily activities

(2) Six (or more) of the following symptoms of hyperactivity-impulsivity have persisted for at least six months to a degree that is maladaptive and inconsistent with developmental level:

Hyperactivity
(a) often fidgets with hands or feet or squirms in seat
(b) often leaves seat in classroom or in other situations in which remaining seated is expected
(c) often runs about or climbs excessively in situations in which it is inappropriate (in adolescents or adults, may be limited to subjective feelings of restlessness)
(d) often has difficulty playing or engaging in leisure activities quietly
(e) is often “on the go” or often acts as if “driven by a motor”
(f) often talks excessively
Impulsivity
(g) often blurts out answers before questions have been completed
(h) often has difficulty awaiting turn
(i) often interrupts or intrudes on others (e.g., butts into conversations or games)

B. Some hyperactive-impulsive or inattentive symptoms must have been present before age 7 years.
C. Some impairment from the symptoms is present in at least two settings (e.g., at school [or work] and at home).
D. There must be clear evidence of interference with developmentally appropriate social, academic or occupational functioning.
E. The disturbance does not occur exclusively during the course of a Pervasive Developmental Disorder, Schizophrenia, or other Psychotic Disorders and is not better accounted for by another mental disorder (e.g., Mood Disorder, Anxiety Disorder, Dissociative Disorder, or a Personality Disorder).


Prevalence

• Estimated 3%-7% in school –age children

DSM-IV Definition

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Actually ... they HEARD what the teacher said. It was because they believed my (then) eight-year-old grand daughter should attend school they consulted the family doctor. It's not right for the kid to be dumbed down. Her teacher, this year, is quite willing to let the girl work ahead in lieu of leaving friends to go a grade ahead.
 

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I do have an agenda... Its to help spread the word that psychotropic drugs have side affects that have lead people to homicide and suicide. Sadly, many regular everyday people dont know that...

Also, there are many independant studies that say these drugs dont work. The studies (blind and double blind) have concluded that it is only the placebo effect that gives people the feeling that they are better...

I dont have blinders on, in fact the people with the blinders are the ones who dont want to research the studies that show the drug doesnt work, as well as the violent crimes that were committed as a result of these drugs... Too many people believe that these situations are few and far between ....
I don't know what to say to you no more drugs except thanks for your opinion and good luck with your crusade. I wish you well.

People really don't take the sick days early enough either. When they just start to get the sniffles and realize that they have come down with something, they are simultaneously the most contagious and the least likely to feel like they need a day off. I almost think the Japanese habit of using face masks makes a bit of sense.
By the time you are wearing a face mask, isn't it a tad late then too?

More on topic, I recently returned from a trip to India. They are really taking the rape cases seriously there. They instituted something like 2000 or so new courts and the first ruling was handed down by one of them: execution. I'm not a big fan of the death penalty, in fact I see it as a big injustice, but they are taking it seriously in their way.
Excellent. Do you think the protests forced them to take this rape/murder more seriously than they have in the past?