Attawapiskat chief goes on hunger strike

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Chief Clarence Louie, Osoyoos BC speaking in Northern Alberta :

Speaking to a large aboriginal conference and some of the attendees, including a few who hold high office, have straggled in.

'I can't stand people who are late, he says into the microphone. Indian Time doesn't cut it. '
Some giggle, but no one is quite sure how far he is going to go. Just sit back and listen:

'My first rule for success is Show up on time.'
'My No. 2 rule for success is follow Rule No. 1.'
'If your life sucks, it's because you suck.'
'Quit your sniffling.'
'Join the real world. Go to school, or get a job.'
'Get off of welfare. Get off your butt.'

He pauses, seeming to gauge whether he dare, then does.
'People often say to me, How you doin'? Geez I'm working with Indians what do you think?'
Now they are openly laughing ..... applauding. Clarence Louie is everything that was advertised and more.

'Our ancestors worked for a living, he says. So should you.'

He is, fortunately, aboriginal himself. If someone else stood up and said these things - the white columnist standing there with his mouth open, for example - you'd be seen as a racist. Instead, Chief Clarence Louie is seen, increasingly, as one of the most interesting and innovative native leaders in the country even though he avoids national politics.

He has come here to Fort McMurray because the aboriginal community needs, desperately, to start talking about economic development and what all this multibillion-dollar oil madness might mean, for good and for bad.

Clarence Louie is chief and CEO of the Osoyoos Band in British Columbia's South Okanagan. He is 44 years old, though he looks like he would have been an infant when he began his remarkable 20-year-run as chief.. He took a band that had been declared bankrupt and taken over by Indian Affairs and he has turned in into an inspiration.

In 2000, the band set a goal of becoming self-sufficient in five years. They're there.

The Osoyoos, 432 strong, own, among other things, a vineyard, a winery, a golf course and a tourist resort, and they are partners in the Baldy Mountain ski development. They have more businesses per capita than any other first nation in Canada.

There are not only enough jobs for everyone, there are so many jobs being created that there are now members of 13 other tribal communities working for the Osoyoos. The little band contributes $40-million a year to the area economy.

Chief Louie is tough. He is as proud of the fact that his band fires its own people as well as hires them. He has his mottos posted throughout the Rez. He believes there is no such thing as consensus, that there will always be those who disagree. And, he says, he is milquetoast compared to his own mother when it comes to how today's lazy aboriginal youth, almost exclusively male, should be dealt with.

Rent a plane, she told him, and fly them all to Iraq. Dump'em off and all the ones who make it back are keepers. Right on, Mom.
The message he has brought here to the Chipewyan, Dene and Cree who live around the oil sands is equally direct: 'Get involved, create jobs and meaningful jobs, not just window dressing for the oil companies.'

'The biggest employer,' he says, 'shouldn't be the band office.'

He also says the time has come to get over it. 'No more whining about 100-year-old failed experiments.' 'No foolishly looking to the Queen to protect rights.'

Louie says aboriginals here and along the Mackenzie Valley should not look at any sharing in development as rocking-chair money but as investment opportunity to create sustainable businesses. He wants them to move beyond entry-level jobs to real jobs they earn all the way to the boardrooms. He wants to see business manners develop: showing up on time, working extra hours. The business lunch, he says, should be drive through, and then right back at it.

'You're going to lose your language and culture faster in poverty than you will in economic development', he says to those who say he is ignoring tradition.

Tough talk, at times shocking talk given the audience, but on this day in this community, they took it and, judging by the response, they loved it.

Eighty per cent like what I have to say, Louie says, twenty per cent don't. I always say to the 20 per cent, 'Get over it.' 'Chances are you're never going to see me again and I'm never going to see you again' 'Get some counseling.'

The first step, he says, is all about leadership. He prides himself on being a stay-home chief who looks after the potholes in his own backyard and wastes no time running around fighting 100-year-old battles.

'The biggest challenge will be how you treat your own people.'

'Blaming government? That time is over.'



Maybe someone should get him to talk to Attawapiskat Chief Theresa Spence.

Take some advice from a chef
 

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Chief Clarence Louie, Osoyoos BC speaking in Northern Alberta :

Speaking to a large aboriginal conference and some of the attendees, including a few who hold high office, have straggled in.

'I can't stand people who are late, he says into the microphone. Indian Time doesn't cut it. '
Some giggle, but no one is quite sure how far he is going to go. Just sit back and listen:

'My first rule for success is Show up on time.'
'My No. 2 rule for success is follow Rule No. 1.'
'If your life sucks, it's because you suck.'
'Quit your sniffling.'
'Join the real world. Go to school, or get a job.'
'Get off of welfare. Get off your butt.'

He pauses, seeming to gauge whether he dare, then does.
'People often say to me, How you doin'? Geez I'm working with Indians what do you think?'
Now they are openly laughing ..... applauding. Clarence Louie is everything that was advertised and more.

'Our ancestors worked for a living, he says. So should you.'

He is, fortunately, aboriginal himself. If someone else stood up and said these things - the white columnist standing there with his mouth open, for example - you'd be seen as a racist. Instead, Chief Clarence Louie is seen, increasingly, as one of the most interesting and innovative native leaders in the country even though he avoids national politics.

He has come here to Fort McMurray because the aboriginal community needs, desperately, to start talking about economic development and what all this multibillion-dollar oil madness might mean, for good and for bad.

Clarence Louie is chief and CEO of the Osoyoos Band in British Columbia's South Okanagan. He is 44 years old, though he looks like he would have been an infant when he began his remarkable 20-year-run as chief.. He took a band that had been declared bankrupt and taken over by Indian Affairs and he has turned in into an inspiration.

In 2000, the band set a goal of becoming self-sufficient in five years. They're there.

The Osoyoos, 432 strong, own, among other things, a vineyard, a winery, a golf course and a tourist resort, and they are partners in the Baldy Mountain ski development. They have more businesses per capita than any other first nation in Canada.

There are not only enough jobs for everyone, there are so many jobs being created that there are now members of 13 other tribal communities working for the Osoyoos. The little band contributes $40-million a year to the area economy.

Chief Louie is tough. He is as proud of the fact that his band fires its own people as well as hires them. He has his mottos posted throughout the Rez. He believes there is no such thing as consensus, that there will always be those who disagree. And, he says, he is milquetoast compared to his own mother when it comes to how today's lazy aboriginal youth, almost exclusively male, should be dealt with.

Rent a plane, she told him, and fly them all to Iraq. Dump'em off and all the ones who make it back are keepers. Right on, Mom.
The message he has brought here to the Chipewyan, Dene and Cree who live around the oil sands is equally direct: 'Get involved, create jobs and meaningful jobs, not just window dressing for the oil companies.'

'The biggest employer,' he says, 'shouldn't be the band office.'

He also says the time has come to get over it. 'No more whining about 100-year-old failed experiments.' 'No foolishly looking to the Queen to protect rights.'

Louie says aboriginals here and along the Mackenzie Valley should not look at any sharing in development as rocking-chair money but as investment opportunity to create sustainable businesses. He wants them to move beyond entry-level jobs to real jobs they earn all the way to the boardrooms. He wants to see business manners develop: showing up on time, working extra hours. The business lunch, he says, should be drive through, and then right back at it.

'You're going to lose your language and culture faster in poverty than you will in economic development', he says to those who say he is ignoring tradition.

Tough talk, at times shocking talk given the audience, but on this day in this community, they took it and, judging by the response, they loved it.

Eighty per cent like what I have to say, Louie says, twenty per cent don't. I always say to the 20 per cent, 'Get over it.' 'Chances are you're never going to see me again and I'm never going to see you again' 'Get some counseling.'

The first step, he says, is all about leadership. He prides himself on being a stay-home chief who looks after the potholes in his own backyard and wastes no time running around fighting 100-year-old battles.

'The biggest challenge will be how you treat your own people.'

'Blaming government? That time is over.'



Maybe someone should get him to talk to Attawapiskat Chief Theresa Spence.

Take some advice from a chef

Note- He is a Chief not a Chef- next - when posting from a source a Link is required. You are missing a link.
 

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That's not all it is missing.
Of the 7 he is the one missing.

 

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I just received this from a native friend in the US. Not sure what to make of it. Would be really interested in Bear's take on it.

Something for your consideration in light of harpers stance with chief Spence and native sovereignty

The Six Aboriginal Treaties

*Wampum Belts
*Canes of Authority
*Peace Pipe Treaties [These treaties cover all Indian Tribes of North and South America]
*The Seal of Solomon Treaty [Covers all Blacks, Arabs and Israelites]
*The Palladium of Troy Treaty [Covers Asia and Minor Asia]
*Noah’s Ark Treaty [Covers all Anglia, Saxon, Mercia and Northumbrian Groups or The White Tribes of Europe]

The Law of the Signatory Tribes supercedes the domestic law of the white governments both here in what is called Canada and the United States. The United States of America (still legally a British colony) are ruled by Corpus Juris Secundum (corporate) or Second Law of the Land.. Canada is a Defacto type government or Corporation and is registered on the stock markets of the world as such. Canada goes by Crown Law which is the law of the Crown of England, but remember at the time Rome surrendered it’s power in 408 A.D., England was given the responsibility of fulfilling the articles of the Camel’s Eye Treaty, because England was considered the second Rome. The ROMAN EMPIRE included the Crown of England, France and Spain. To this day, should you follow the bloodlines of the ROYAL FAMILIES, you will find them to be the descendants of the OLD ROMAN EMPIRE or the ROMAKOS who are the descendants of GREEK ROYALTY.

The RULE OF LAW binding these treaties is followed letter perfect today, and should a SIGNATORY TRIBAL GOVERNMENT be re-established,* as it was in 1995, (see THE EXACT PEOPLE OF THE ROCKY MOUNTAINS) it would protect itself by asserting jurisdiction to stop any type of government from imposing it’s laws and jurisdiction over the Tribal Members.

Federal District Court Judge Warren Urbom, in the case, United States –V- Consolidated Wounded Knee Cases, {Supra. 1975], gave the exact construction of a Tribal Government, when he stated to 65 Sioux Indians trying to prove Sovereignty, “this court cannot supply a Casus Omissus in a Treaty any more than in a Law”. Interpreted, he is saying, Clanmothers are the Law. This judge was acknowledging the power of the Clanmother over any Nation.

TRIBAL GOVERNMENT [SOVEREIGNTY]

Judge Urbom in the case, United States –v- Consolidated Wounded Knee Cases supra. Gave the exact construction of a Tribal Government, which made the members Signatory Indians and members making up the Tribe.

When the Beda [Bedea] Scholars of England rewrote and retranslated the Christian Bible in the 1500’s from the old version of 451 A.D., they purposely omitted one complete book and the name of this book can be found in the new Bible-Numbers 21:14. The Monarchy of any Tribal Government are called: Angels; Daughters of the Great Spirit or Pure Light. To be a member of a Signatory Tribe, you must belong to a clan that is ruled by a Clanmother who appoints Chiefs to speak on behalf of her clan. The entire Tribe ruled by Clanmothers, Angels, Pure Light, or Daughters of the Great Spirit, become the Title Owners of the Sovereign Territories. The exception to this are the 5,6, and 7 Nations that were Indian Tribes created by George Washington who signed Treaties with them trying to replace the power of the Clanmothers of the Iroquois Confederacy.The* original Iroquois Confederacy was 52 Nations .[People for the State of New York –v- Boots; Co, Ct. N. Y. ]

“It is of little consequence to me who you are, because everyone here is descendant from a Tribe that make up the Six Aboriginal Treaties that are the Foundation of all International Law.” [Meredith Quinn - International Legal Adviser, of the Dakota Empire, registered with the United Nations.]

According to Tribal Custom and Usage, all children born are Signatory and until they reach the age of accountability,* where they place their allegiance often makes them Ambiguous Indians with a Quasi-Sovereign* position. Ambiguous; Meaning Doubtful if they are Indians. As there is doubt caused by their own admission, they become Quasi-Sovereign*. [They may appear so, but are not Sovereign.] Elk-v-Wilkins.

Corporate Charters, called Indian Governments,[Ba*nd Council elective system], legally defined, are Autonomy Governments which comes from the Greek [Autonomous-Sel*f Rule,] legally means a Self-Governing state, community or group, subject to another Supreme Sovereignty. This type of system has omitted the true Landlord of the Territories, who are the Women of the Clans.

ACTS classified as TREASON

1. Rebellion or Insurrection against INDIAN NATIONS.
2. Seditious Conspiracy against INDIAN NATIONS.
3. Advocating the Overthrow of INDIAN GOVERNMENTS.
4. Registration of Certain Organizations.
5. Activities affecting Police Forces generally.
6. Activities affecting Police Forces during Wars.
7. Recruiting for services against INDIAN NATIONS.
8. Enlisting of services against INDIAN NATIONS.
9. Giving aid and comfort to Indian or non-Indians committing these crimes
 

Locutus

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AFN obstructionists will stop at nothing


Let’s say that somehow, the eruption we’ve all agreed to call Idle No More results in a historic breakthrough between Ottawa and Canada’s diverse and deeply troubled First Nations.

Let’s say the covenant recognizes and affirms aboriginal and treaty rights and contains a specific, collaborative action plan to deal with the urgent challenges of aboriginal childhood education, economic development, First Nations governance and accountability. Plus it comes with a startup $275 million just to be sure the rubber hits the road. And it’s announced at a historic gathering in Ottawa with the senior First Nations chiefs, Prime Minister Stephen Harper and even Governor-General David Johnston.

Now let’s say along comes an obstructionist “movement” that masquerades as militant but is really a minority faction of eccentric and reactionary Indian band chiefs who are hopelessly devoted to the status quo. They set out to methodically undermine the agreement. They hijack the work plan. Within a year they’ve pretty well sabotaged the whole thing.


and you might ask yourself :


AFN obstructionists will stop at nothing
 

petros

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Are the American tribes that came to HBC land during the Indian Wars and got in on the treaties protesting in Washington as well as Ottawa?

When are the Yanks going to cough up for what became a Canadian liability?

I wonder if Native Americans that were skedaddled into Mexico during the American Spanish War are setting up adobes in Mexico City and refusing to eat anything but popcorn?
 

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For some reason , as slow as the process is working BC seems to be having better results that the rest of the country re treaties.
Bear probably has a better handle on this but it seems to me that the AFN is not the group to be negotiating with. I think it is too large and unwieldy with not enough common ground to make real progress. What it does do is eat up a lot of tax dollars and lets a bunch of politicians on both sides get their face time on the evening news.
There is also the not insignificant fact that special rights for groups based on race flys in the face of democracy.
 

CDNBear

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So you are threatening war?
No, he's stating that there would be war.

I call that extortion.
I call it a reasoned prediction, based on available intel.

Prairie treaties?

We could shoot our way out.
This would be one of the posts that says so much about you, that I mention, before you say I know nothing about you.

Maybe a couple of F-18 strikes would help settle things in our favor.
And you rail against the Israelis?

Man, I couldn't make this kind of intel up about you.

Good going dude.

How the heck do.you get a legal permit to blockade a major highway and bridge?
You don't, it's a criminal act as far as I'm concerned.

I hope a few truckers with moose-bars decide to run through it.
Nothing like a couple dead injins on the grill to make your day eh?

Thankfully not all truckers are idiots like you, lol.

I sure would.
Thanks for removing all doubt.

Didn't think I had to educate you goober....read the treaty its pretty clear that the government has done more than they had to.. Enough 1701 long 2013
What treaty did you read?

Maybe we can discuss it. I've read many.

Chief Clarence Louie, Osoyoos BC speaking in Northern Alberta :
I thought I recognized that...

My new Native hero, Chief Clarence Louie.

I posted that years ago.

BTW: Welcome to the board. My name is Bear. Well in English anyways. In Onondaga, the language of my people, It's Ohkwai.

Maybe someone should get him to talk to Attawapiskat Chief Theresa Spence.
I think he should run Attawapiskat.

Take some advice from a chef
Maybe he can cook them dinner.

I just received this from a native friend in the US. Not sure what to make of it. Would be really interested in Bear's take on it.
Unfortunately Cliffy, it's a mangled combination of fact, fiction and personal interpretation of legal findings.

It's hard to make heads or tails from it, because I don't know what precedence was used to interpret the courts rulings.

Not to mention the list of six Aboriginal treaties. I'm intimately familiar with the first. The second is American and unfamiliar to me. The third is wrong, the pipe was smoked to seal treaties. The last three are pure nuttery.
 

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Hmmm, the Ontario chiefs are threatening to cripple the Canadian economy. That sounds like threats of terrorism to me and they should be treated like terrorists. They are criminals. ARREST them.
Same as at least one chief in Northern Alberta
 

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That would do it for me, it's frigging minus 20 with the windchill here today (I know, I know, everyone else has it worse. But I didn't move to SWO to put up with this crap. ;))


-20 WITH the windchill :roll:.......Awwwwwwwwww.

How do you rate so warm??

One would think with all the hot air blowing in from Ottawa, it would be quite toasty here in the swamp. But, it's -25 on the ol thermometer, and it's a DAMP cold.





Woops, sorry; the OP. When Spence comes off her hunger thing, she needs to go on a diet.

oh shudder. just shudder, eh !
 

SLM

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-20 WITH the windchill :roll:.......Awwwwwwwwww.

How do you rate so warm??

Yeah, yeah, yeah....make all the fun you want. I'm cold dammit and I'm not going to stay quiet about it anymore! ;)

One would think with all the hot air blowing in from Ottawa, it would be quite toasty here in the swamp. But, it's -25 on the ol thermometer, and it's a DAMP cold.
The Ottawa winter thing? Been there, done that.

Woops, sorry; the OP. When Spence comes off her hunger thing, she needs to go on a diet.

oh shudder. just shudder, eh !
What she needs to be doing is her job, which entails working on getting some actual living accommodations (with real heat and everything) to the people of her community.
 

Nuggler

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"""What she needs to be doing is her job, which entails working on getting some actual living accommodations (with real heat and everything) to the people of her community.__________________________"""

Ok, that, and go on a diet.
 

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That would do it for me, it's frigging minus 20 with the windchill here today (I know, I know, everyone else has it worse. But I didn't move to SWO to put up with this crap. ;))

I don't mind the cold that much, it's easier to deal with than excessive heat... Mind you, the humidity and is a b*tch

-20 WITH the windchill :roll:.......Awwwwwwwwww.

How do you rate so warm??

One would think with all the hot air blowing in from Ottawa, it would be quite toasty here in the swamp. But, it's -25 on the ol thermometer, and it's a DAMP cold.


Coldest winter I ever experienced was in Vancouver when the temp hovered around 0 degrees. The only thing you could do to get warm was a hot shower.... Froze my damn nuts off

Bear in mind, this compares to spending 2 winters in Winterpeg



Woops, sorry; the OP. When Spence comes off her hunger thing, she needs to go on a diet.

oh shudder. just shudder, eh !

... Maybe she can go on a strict diet of Timbits, cheeseburgers and fried chicken. Lord knows it'll be more effective than the 'hunger strike' she has been on for a month

What she needs to be doing is her job, which entails working on getting some actual living accommodations (with real heat and everything) to the people of her community.

Seems to me that she wasn't doing much of anything in Attawapiskat in the first place.

She's probably a more effective Chief by NOT being home