Attawapiskat chief goes on hunger strike

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Well, I use "we" talking about a majority of Canadians who are sick to death of dimwits like Spense wanting to talk "nation to nation"
with our government when she can't seem to do anything about a lot of her people living in anything better than cardboard boxes. The money she is spending in Ottawa could better help her people than her moronic hunger strike.

Don't confuse legitimate grievances with Spence.

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Well, I use "we" talking about a majority of Canadians who are sick to death of dimwits like Spense wanting to talk "nation to nation"
with our government when she can't seem to do anything about a lot of her people living in anything better than cardboard boxes. The money she is spending in Ottawa could better help her people than her moronic hunger strike.


in other words.... those uppity injuns should just shut their mouths and stay the fu ck put on their reserves.
 

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in other words.... those uppity injuns should just shut their mouths and stay the fu ck put on their reserves.

No Gerry. Just you. If the tribes can't come up with a competent leader, we should appoint leaders for them.....Just don't put people like Spense in charge of millions of dollars.
 

gerryh

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Mighty big assumption with zero proof Gerry. Do you ever think or just react?

No big assumption at all. Juan has made it perfectly clear what he thinks of First Nations and Canada's treaty obligations over the last 8 plus years. You wouldn't know that though, would you?

No Gerry. Just you. If the tribes can't come up with a competent leader, we should appoint leaders for them.....Just don't put people like Spense in charge of millions of dollars.


Not your place to decide who should be running a sovereign nation.
 

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No big assumption at all. Juan has made it perfectly clear what he thinks of First Nations and Canada's treaty obligations over the last 8 plus years. You wouldn't know that though, would you?

Dealing with one quotation. Nice try at using your length of time here.
 
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Well, I use "we" talking about a majority of Canadians who are sick to death of dimwits like Spense wanting to talk "nation to nation"
with our government when she can't seem to do anything about a lot of her people living in anything better than cardboard boxes. The money she is spending in Ottawa could better help her people than her moronic hunger strike.

Really. So you also talk about 'our tax dollars' going to 'welfare indians' or are you a little more informed than that. Because that's what this guy is saying.

If you also care to note in the thread I've not said one word in praise of Spense and where I have put forth my opinion, I do so using the word "I", not we. We is presumptuous. Particularly in the cases where one is spewing, yet again, more stereotypes. It is long past time to get past the stereotypes. And that holds true on both sides by the way. They are what is confining and the thing that actually prevents any real progress towards these problems being solved.

As long as people keep holding on to this ridiculous notion that they are being given money for nothing, the problem will go round and round.
 

gerryh

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Dealing with one quotation. Nice try at using your length of time here.

It goes to your implication that I made the comment with no back up. I've been dealing with juan for many many years and I have read what he posts concerning First Nations. He has made it perfectly clear what his uneducated and ignorant views are.
 

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What a joke its time we make a stand as CANADIANS and stop giving our tax dollars to indians we are all one!!! Why should people who don't pay into the system get to use it like the roads were drive on the hospitals we use and let's not forget welfare!! We have to put a stop to this before a civil war breaks out..

Ahhhhhh, Dumpy reincarnated! -:)
 

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What a joke its time we make a stand as CANADIANS and stop giving our tax dollars to indians we are all one!!! Why should people who don't pay into the system get to use it like the roads were drive on the hospitals we use and let's not forget welfare!! We have to put a stop to this before a civil war breaks out..
Put a stop to what? Cancel treaties unilaterally will result in a civil war.

If you totaled all the real estate values of all the land in Canada and the value of all the natural resources taken, what percentage would treaty monies come to? We signed treaties in trade for the land and resources. I don't think we have paid enough, but then I have no idea how many trillions of dollars Canada has received in trade for those commodities but I assume it is considerably more than we paid for it.
 

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Put a stop to what? Cancel treaties unilaterally will result in a civil war.

If you totaled all the real estate values of all the land in Canada and the value of all the natural resources taken, what percentage would treaty monies come to? We signed treaties in trade for the land and resources. I don't think we have paid enough, but then I have no idea how many trillions of dollars Canada has received in trade for those commodities but I assume it is considerably more than we paid for it.

You sound like you're sort'a describing the difference between "Wholesale" & "Retail".
Generally, if you're purchasing something for resale, you want to pay less for it than
you're going to resell it for. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're try'n to state though.

Are you talking about "sellers remorse?"
 

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So you are threatening war? I call that extortion.
No, I am saying that it will happen if treaties are unilaterally voided. I am in no position to threaten anybody.

The aboriginal population is the fastest growing in Canada. Within 30 years they could out number those of European descent. I think it is time we started treating them with respect instead of all this bigoted rhetoric.
 

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No big assumption at all. Juan has made it perfectly clear what he thinks of First Nations and Canada's treaty obligations over the last 8 plus years. You wouldn't know that though, would you?




Not your place to decide who should be running a sovereign nation.

A sovereign nation??? A little village with less than 2000 people is a sovereign nation??? I have no problem with the federal government
supporting these people but I think they have an extremely overblown sense of entightlement. Spouting about their sovereign nation on
one hand while clawing for handouts with the other.
 

petros

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A sovereign nation???
Sovereign Nation

The supreme, absolute, and uncontrollable power by which an independent state is governed and from which all specific political powers are derived; the intentional independence of a state, combined with the right and power of regulating its internal affairs without foreign interference.

Sovereignty is the power of a state to do everything necessary to govern itself, such as making, executing, and applying laws; imposing and collecting taxes; making war and peace; and forming treaties or engaging in commerce with foreign nations.
 

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You sound like you're sort'a describing the difference between "Wholesale" & "Retail".
Generally, if you're purchasing something for resale, you want to pay less for it than
you're going to resell it for. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're try'n to state though.

Are you talking about "sellers remorse?"
The treaties were signed by the Crown. They stated in perpetuity. The share should go up as the value goes up. But that is my opinion.

The treaties were broken when the Canadian government established the Department of Indian Affairs and took control over their lives and the reserves. The government took away their sovereignty in order to attempt assimilation. The experiment failed and many in the general population refused to allow aboriginal people to assimilate into society based on race. Times have changed. The game has changed. Aboriginal people are now demanding their status back as nations as stated in the original agreements.

Canada has been sited 6 times by the UN and International courts for their abhorrent treatment of aboriginal people. Instead of admitting to these crime, they have chosen to ignore them, which may account for, what some people seem to think, the government's unwillingness to crack down on what they think is the aboriginals stepping out of their second class citizen status. They want to be recognized for what the original agreements said they would.

I know a lot of people don't understand why they would want to stay on these reservations, but if they give them up, they have nothing left of their land or their sovereignty. With the recognition of non-status and Metis people, their numbers are greatly augmented. They are feeling their strength and are exercising their rights. The government should deal with this problem before too long or there may be hell to pay for past and present arrogance. I'm not sure what Harper is doing but I don't think he realizes the scope of the problem.
 

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The treaties were signed by the Crown. They stated in perpetuity. The share should go up as the value goes up. But that is my opinion.

The treaties were broken when the Canadian government established the Department of Indian Affairs and took control over their lives and the reserves. The government took away their sovereignty in order to attempt assimilation. The experiment failed and many in the general population refused to allow aboriginal people to assimilate into society based on race. Times have changed. The game has changed. Aboriginal people are now demanding their status back as nations as stated in the original agreements.

Canada has been sited 6 times by the UN and International courts for their abhorrent treatment of aboriginal people. Instead of admitting to these crime, they have chosen to ignore them, which may account for, what some people seem to think, the government's unwillingness to crack down on what they think is the aboriginals stepping out of their second class citizen status. They want to be recognized for what the original agreements said they would.

I know a lot of people don't understand why they would want to stay on these reservations, but if they give them up, they have nothing left of their land or their sovereignty. With the recognition of non-status and Metis people, their numbers are greatly augmented. They are feeling their strength and are exercising their rights. The government should deal with this problem before too long or there may be hell to pay for past and present arrogance. I'm not sure what Harper is doing but I don't think he realizes the scope of the problem.

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Going off the reservation: Pseudo-natives plan protest against Sun Media



A handful of Natives along with a bunch of oddball white folk who like to pretend they have native roots, plus some of the usual, bitter suspects from the perpetually-aggrieved left are planning a protest against Sun Media this coming Saturday.

Ostensibly, the cause of their ire is alleged anti-First Nations "racism" from Sun Media, but that is rather clearly a ruse for the attention-whoars involved with the protest. What has really got their goat is how Sun News has exposed the corruption, waste and malfeasance occurring on many Native reserves that is being funded by the Canadian taxpayer.

Sun has also led the way in showing that the preposterous Idle No Move protests are staged nonsense. When its icon, Theresa Spence, went on a so-called hunger strike, it was Sun News that showed how she is actually taking in more calories during her supposed fast than the average Ethiopian on a regular day. The links between the union-funded, withering Occupy movement and Idle No More has also been something people affiliated with the later group were enraged at Sun News for having exposed.


Among the participants who have so far signed up on the protest's facebook page are public service union honcho John Baglow, who operates the blog Dr. Dawg. Baglow was the plaintiff in a libel suit he launched, and lost, because his feelings were hurt in a rancorous online debate.

Another particiant is a reporter from the fanatically radical, neo-Marxist website rabble.ca, the operating budget of which is mainly funded by unions and is published by the spouse of NDP Deputy Leader Libby Davies. Krystalline Kraus is rabble.ca's resident Indian-o-phile whose facile writing refers to North America as "Turtle Island," a pseudo-Native sounding term that was invented by white leftist activists in the 1970's and has no history of use by Native tribes in North America. Of course, there is no evidence to suggest that First Nations ever believed the North American continent was an island. It took stupid white leftists to invent that version of history.

Kraus actually credulously reported, evidently based on wishful thinking and delusion, that a defrocked, discredited United Church Minister and fringe Native movement hanger-on named Kevin Annett "performed an exorcism rite in St. Peter's Square, which was followed 12 hours later by a tornado - almost unprecedented in that time and place - which devastated central Rome and the Vatican."

For similar stupidity and a collection of unhinged weirdness, you can watch the protest Saturday afternoon - the details are at the group's facebook page.





Eye on a Crazy Planet: Going off the reservation: Pseudo-natives plan protest against Sun Media




That's how they roll man.