Attawapiskat chief goes on hunger strike

[Trex]

The founders of the "Idle No More" thing have been try'n to distance themselves
from her (& all the other Chief's jumping on the band wagon) for some time now:

Theresa Spence urges Idle No More to unite with aboriginal chiefs | Canada | News | National Post

Well Yeah.
Spense is coming across as a befuddled drone.
I personally doubt the Feds will launch a full on investigation in Attawapiskat, it would come across as kinda mean, Attawapiskat is that nasty a train wreck.
Horrific in fact, and holding Spence responsible? Are we really going to hold ALL first nations leaders accountable? Really? With all that it entails?
Spense isnt the agenda, Idle No More is the agenda and like I said before on a previous post there is serious political horespower behind Idle.

First Nations can now afford the best and the brightest when it comes to spin control and political war rooms
it's money and it's power and its up for grabs.
Whitey is the prey, racism claims are the Maginot line, innocent folks on the reserves are the cannon fodder .
And so it goes.

 

[Sal]

Whitey is the prey, racism claims are the Maginot line, innocent folks on the reserves are the cannon fodder .
And so it goes.

To believe this would be to believe that there is no integrity left and I do not believe that to be true. If you could break it down, there is likely percentage wise the same amount of avarice and vice that there is in Canadian society at large. But reservations are small and under a microscope. In reality they are likely merely a microcosm within our macrocosm.

 

[taxslave]

So it is economically feasible then? Some Bands would have no problem with volunteers- same with providing those with the skill sets if required.
Habitat for Humanity has what they call sweat equity- each family must work 500 hrs on the house or projects.
No difference here.

It is potentially feasible. There are quite a number of variables and ifs. Certainly any small remote community south of the treeline should have some kind of a sawmill. Biggest problem would be finding someone that could operate and maintain a sawmill. It is just not a job where one can take an online course. It has been my experience working on remote rezs that the attention span is notoriously short. Probably the best thing would be to train some of the women to do the jobs. Not saying it can't be done but if their track record was a credit rating you would not loan money based on it.

Diamonds and Development: Attawapiskat and the Victor Diamond Mine



While there have been some First Nations who initially welcomed resource projects, even communities that have seen new jobs are growing disillusioned. These mines and oil projects in the Canadian north are generally temporary "fly-in" sites, and do not contribute to capacity building in the local communities. Here's an overview of the problems, relating specifically to Chief Spence's Attawapiskat reservation with its third world conditions next to a $1 billion DeBeers diamond mine

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Diamonds and Development: Attawapiskat and the Victor Diamond Mine | MiningWatch

Quite a load of rubbish spaced out with very slanted journalism. You know of course that the source you quote is anti mining?

You beat me to my edit.


Bremusa



Again, you beat me to my edit.

Sorry for being reactionary .

As I brace for the gushing from most of the posters in here, a bit of honesty on my part.

Time and time again I get let down by politicians.

Yes I bought into this Spence fraud.

How many of you would still cast a vote for Harper, knowing his party has done more lying than Spence could ever do.

The entire party of the conservatives are a lie going to happen.

The die hards will support these people and never change.
Harper will come up with some idiocy which he will repeat over and over and over and Canadians will evetnually believe it and vote for him.

The Liberals, a joke gone bad.

The NDP the last hope and gasp for the left, only to be let down for the left is split.

At least I realize my folly.


Bremusa

Although I didn't vote for harper this last goround (i voted for the pirate party) There was no doubt in my mind that the conservatives would win. The reason being they are the worst of the two evils. Dippers don't count because they are just too far out in lala land and us in BC have been subjected to their tyranny before. FAct is Harper is the only one of the leaders with any kind of a financial vision. That means a better chance of non government jobs and I still have to work for a few more years. Also Harper DID removee the Long Gun Registry as promised. How can you beat that?

 

[SLM]

I know I'm not brainwashed. I'm too dirty minded.

Damn it! That's what I should have said.

 

[JLM]

Although I didn't vote for harper this last goround (i voted for the pirate party) There was no doubt in my mind that the conservatives would win. The reason being they are the worst of the two evils. Dippers don't count because they are just too far out in lala land and us in BC have been subjected to their tyranny before. FAct is Harper is the only one of the leaders with any kind of a financial vision. That means a better chance of non government jobs and I still have to work for a few more years. Also Harper DID removee the Long Gun Registry as promised. How can you beat that?

Yep, there's worse than Harper and it COULD be a lot worse!

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Yep, there's worse than Harper and it COULD be a lot worse!

Justin.

 

[JLM]

Justin.

Maybe, Thomas Mulcair also comes to mind!

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

I said it before and I'll say it again. She should be removed from her position. No paper trail, stinks like misappropriation too me.

Maybe, Thomas Mulcair also comes to mind!

Of the two I'd take Mulcair, but Harper is the best of the three.

 

[JLM]

I said it before and I'll say it again. She should be removed from her position. No paper trail, stinks like misappropriation too me.

Maybe before she gets the boot, we should give her two hours to come with those receipts!-

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

I tend to separate the two subjects. I don't think the Idle no More movement is about solidarity with Spence but about more pressing issues to do with treaty neglect and broken promises. I think they should distance themselves from her. She is carrying too much bagage to do their cause any good.

I agree wholeheartedly.

The next problem would be to counter the BS coming from the media. They are trying to make the movement look like it has no legitimacy, no real platform, just like they did with OWS. One thing for certain, if you protest the establishment, you will be demonized and eventually treated to brutality.

Occupy Wall Street was a bunch of Idiots who couldn't organize a Bee J in a hoe house with a pocket full of 20's. <---Take that Censorship software.

If the leaders really want legitimacy they better start embracing people who are accountable. Not the likes of this woman.

The letter to Spence also says there is "no evidence of due diligence on the part of Attawapiskat of funding provided by Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development Canada for housing projects and Health Canada for health-related projects."

Due diligence? Why do we need due diligence? Ottawa has lot's of money. We'll just block a road, eat some fish broth and sneak a few timbits.

 

[taxslave]

Perhaps I'm over simplifying things by saying the problem at Attawapiskat was caused by someone spending a pisspot full of money over several years without getting or keeping receipts! Isn't that lesson one in Business 1?

Not if your plan is to obfuscate and deflect.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Not if your plan is to obfuscate and deflect.

There should be a full investigation and if proof of fraud is found, charges should be laid.

 

[taxslave]

There should be a full investigation and if proof of fraud is found, charges should be laid.

Misdirecting funds may be hard to prove as fraud. Gross incompetence yes. As long as not too much of the money didn't go into the council's private bank accounts fraud probably isn't in the cards.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

This was on the CBC website, also known as the Conservative Butt-kissing Corporation

Donations directed to Spence's partner

Spence's spokesman has been refusing to answer questions about the financial management in Attawapiskat, including one about a Facebook post asking for donations to support Spence's protest.
Macleans.ca reported Dec. 27 that Spence's team was offering bank account information on the official Facebook page of the hunger strike, for those who wanted to make donations. The account was listed as belonging to Kennedy, Spence's live-in partner and the band's co-manager.
When someone commented on the post to say that the tribal council that runs the region around Attawapiskat was also taking donations, the Spence supporter who first posted the account information replied that Spence "does not want anybody but Clay to handle finances."
The Facebook post has since been removed.

Misdirecting funds may be hard to prove as fraud. Gross incompetence yes. As long as not too much of the money didn't go into the council's private bank accounts fraud probably isn't in the cards.

I still think it needs to be done. If anything a message should be broadcasted loud and clear to the Leadership in FN that accountability is key to receiving Federal Funds.

 

[taxslave]

This was on the CBC website, also known as the Conservative Butt-kissing Corporation

Donations directed to Spence's partner

Spence's spokesman has been refusing to answer questions about the financial management in Attawapiskat, including one about a Facebook post asking for donations to support Spence's protest.
Macleans.ca reported Dec. 27 that Spence's team was offering bank account information on the official Facebook page of the hunger strike, for those who wanted to make donations. The account was listed as belonging to Kennedy, Spence's live-in partner and the band's co-manager.
When someone commented on the post to say that the tribal council that runs the region around Attawapiskat was also taking donations, the Spence supporter who first posted the account information replied that Spence "does not want anybody but Clay to handle finances."
The Facebook post has since been removed.



I still think it needs to be done. If anything a message should be broadcasted loud and clear to the Leadership in FN that accountability is key to receiving Federal Funds.

Often federal bureaucraps can't even account for the funds they squander. Hell politicians can't even seem to account for their expense accounts.

 

[petros]

Maybe before she gets the boot, we should give her two hours to come with those receipts!-

The boot? She needs a swift kick in the azz with a frozen mukluk.

 

[Ron in Regina]

The last couple of days out here, when I hear about Chief Spence & her thing on
the radio, it's no longer refered to as a 'hunger strike,' but a 'non-solid food diet
protest' or a 'liquid diet protest.'

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

The last couple of days out here, when I hear about Chief Spence & her thing on
the radio, it's no longer refered to as a 'hunger strike,' but a 'non-solid food diet
protest' or a 'liquid diet protest.'

Yeah well, that was pretty much a given considering she looks heavier now than she did when she started.

Often federal bureaucraps can't even account for the funds they squander. Hell politicians can't even seem to account for their expense accounts.

That might be the case, but we still have an ethics commissioner and an auditor general. No reason that they should not at least be have the same oversight.

 

[Bremusa]

Just wondering why, as you seem to speak for the movement, you don't spell its name correctly, and why are you capitalizing the 't' in the? It is Idle No More - I googled it.

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Wow good catch. Freudian slip maybe.

ROFL.

Bremusa


HAHAHAHAHA

 

[Colpy]

The boot? She needs a swift kick in the azz with a frozen mukluk.

Apologize to the mukluk first......